Šjor Bepo
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you can win any day except this saturday - monday, @Šjor Bepo
whenever you want
you can win any day except this saturday - monday, @Šjor Bepo
Sent my write-up to an old convo with EAP. Nothing else worked.
@General_Elegancia when would you like to play? I don't plan on saying much and my writeup is like a handful of lines so there wouldn't be much discussion - I'm a bit busy these days with both work and family stuff.
Radamel Falcao scored as many as the cyborg with Porto and then Atletico. Is he considered worth a place in all-time drafts?
Then you have the like of Aubameyang with Dortmund then Arsenal.
Distinct lack of Lewa in this discussion! As good a scoring rate but longer and consistent than any names mentioned above.
I'd take Falcao more often, there are 1-2 centre-forwards who are picked regularly who IMO aren't any better.
But it comes down to a maximum of 16 centre-forwards picked in all-time drafts, when there are probably 30-40 heavy-duty goalscorers who could all stake a claim to be involved. I suppose what it comes down to is fit and attributes - Haaland's size, power and goalscoring make him stand out somewhat.
No, but per consensus neither is Haaland. Although I'd say peak Falcao (who like Auba never scored at Haaland-so-far levels) is kind of underrated and could feature more in less stacked drafts.
Falcao falls a little bit short of Haaland's freaky goals per game ratio I think, and sadly barely got a chance to play in the CL in his prime. I thought he was a cracking player though and I'd happily pick him. As @Gio said, he was probably on a similar level to a few regularly selected players.
This somehow reminds me of the good old days when you'd knock up a best XI of the draft pool and include 5 or 6 of your own players. No one is mentioning Lewa because he's (rightly) regularly picked in any pool now!
None of them being anywhere near the lofty heights reached by John Pantsil in midfield =>This somehow reminds me of the good old days when you'd knock up a best XI of the draft pool and include 5 or 6 of your own players.
I have tasked Pantsil to keep an eye on Liedholm. No 'taking him out' nonsense, but against a 'sitting deep' Liedholm, I expect Pantsil to have some joy.
I want him bigged up !
None of them being anywhere near the lofty heights reached by John Pantsil in midfield =>
Yes, that's a real quote, and he won the game.
All fair points. I just learned that Haaland is highly rated already.
It's because of the 3-year peak thing - which is nonsense and a very limited way to rate a player in my view. I think you really need a full career to really rate a player. Like Falcao, the likes of Mario Gotze had a great peak, but no one is seriously picking them because the overall career weighs down on them a bit.All fair points. I just learned that Haaland is highly rated already.
It's because of the 3-year peak thing - which is nonsense and a very limited way to rate a player in my view. I think you really need a full career to really rate a player. Like Falcao, the likes of Mario Gotze had a great peak, but no one is seriously picking them because the overall career weighs down on them a bit.
His performances and statistics have showed it all and I think I’ve said once in general forum that he will be picked even more frequently in future.
Would say they're an integral part of any peak level discussion? And something Haaland is surely lacking in his career so far.Also, there maybe other tangible elements on rating players. Trophies, world cup, influence on the team, awards, performance on high profile games??
Tbf, I think pretty much everyone has said the same here, it's a bit of a phantom discussion. (Which I kind of kicked off by playing devil's advocate over Pat's post.)But it certainly feels it's a bit too early for now.
yeah it's ok mate. Will submit in the afternoon though.@Enigma_87
Monday 31st Oct ok?
Massive team. Are you out for the whole draft or could you get back for the QFs, if your side wins R1?
@GodShaveTheQueen the ley question here is whether you are out for a week or 2-3 weeks. If the latter it should be a walkover really.
Ah shit, get better soon.I won't be able to participate in any debates as I fractured my collar bone and have a 24x7 arm sling for a month and can only type on phone with 1 hand which would be a pain in the ass to debate.
Cheers, team is fantastic but I'm currently waiting on Beam and would finish his squad if he doesn't turn up (not sure if he knows of his "luck" yet).Best I can do is provide a graphic with a 2 line OP. While I don't mind doing that, kind of against the spirit of match threads, so still wouldn't mind a bit if a walk over is awarded (or a different more deserving losing team gets another chance).
(...) @Synco considering you find the team decent, do consider taking it over, should take little to no effort in games as it's a straight forward 4-2-3-1. Has great potential for reinforcements (I won't interfere, you can pick as you wish) as I avoided lot of pools.
I won't be able to participate in any debates as I fractured my collar bone and have a 24x7 arm sling for a month and can only type on phone with 1 hand which would be a pain in the ass to debate. Best I can do is provide a graphic with a 2 line OP. While I don't mind doing that, kind of against the spirit of match threads, so still wouldn't mind a bit if a walk over is awarded (or a different more deserving losing team gets another chance) .
Good ol' times!None of them being anywhere near the lofty heights reached by John Pantsil in midfield =>
Yes, that's a real quote, and he won the game.
@Physiocrat do you want to send your tactics to me or vice versa so we can kick our own match off?
I have sent to you
Would say they're an integral part of any peak level discussion? And something Haaland is surely lacking in his career so far.
Tbf, I think pretty much everyone has said the same here, it's a bit of a phantom discussion. (Which I kind of kicked off by playing devil's advocate over Pat's post.)
Draft acceptance seems to differ quite a lot on a case-by-case basis, which is probably inevitable. Don't think there's a formula that fits every player. For example, Lewandowski and Benzema only start to get all-time recognition now in their mid-30s, while others like the Brazilian Ronnies, Schweinsteiger, Edwards are highly rated on pretty short career peaks. (All of which is fine.) There just seems to be a point when a player "gets there" in draft terms, like De Bruyne recently, and it's different for everyone.
Yeah, in reality many of those who never play weren't actually far from the level of draft regulars. Certainly true for Kroos, who I love to bits as a player.Agreed. KdB was finally accepted among the greats just about a year ago (?). At first it felt weird (to me). Lewa and Bastian takes a long time also, where the likes of Masch, Ramos, Kroos just never really took off. Even Nistelrooy that smashed the Eredivisie, PL, and La Liga is rarely considered in our drafts (when no era cut off / restriction).
I won't be able to participate in any debates as I fractured my collar bone and have a 24x7 arm sling for a month and can only type on phone with 1 hand which would be a pain in the ass to debate. Best I can do is provide a graphic with a 2 line OP. While I don't mind doing that, kind of against the spirit of match threads, so still wouldn't mind a bit if a walk over is awarded (or a different more deserving losing team gets another chance) .
Will let @Šjor Bepo take that call, my graphic is already present in the thread for R1 game if need be which I fortunately created as soon as drafting ensed. @Synco considering you find the team decent, do consider taking it over, should take little to no effort in games as it's a straight forward 4-2-3-1. Has great potential for reinforcements (I won't interfere, you can pick as you wish) as I avoided lot of pools.
Sure. My write up is already in, so whenever you are ready.EAP can we do next week? I just got a personal thing come up. I'll send my write up in over the weekend and we can do it whenever next week sorry
Tuesday next week, sir?whenever you want
Tuesday next week, sir?
In time for....? When are we playing?We're already busy PM'ing & will continue tomorrow. Team will be ready in time, ideally with him on the bench, otherwise me.
No specific time, just before the R1 period ends.In time for....? When are we playing?