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The first two headlines when you search David de gea brentford'?

David De Gea Comes To Manchester United's Rescue Again With Superb First-Half Performance Against Brentford

David de Gea was 'like a brick wall' and now has the most saves in the Premier League this season
Ok we've reached the level of headlines put together by an editor to get clicks as justification? It's not even as though I've said he didn't play well, he did play well in the game but none of those saves were stops that any other goalkeeper shouldn't be making. If Brentford had been playing against Burnley in that game and it was Nick Pope you can guarantee the headline would not have been about the goalkeeper. But he did make the saves, so no criticism but also I'm not going to cream myself into oblivion over the best paid goalkeeper in the world doing the one thing he's good at - unless it is a genuinely exceptional save which he does at times absolutely pull off.
Search "De Gea Almiron", look at the headlines, then ask @JB7 what he thought of that save.

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Firstly that wasn't in January and secondly, yes it's a very good save. It's a save you'd expect a goalkeeper of his standing to make though as he's had chance to set himself and the ball is nowhere near the corner. Where have I said he doesn't make very good saves btw? In fact despite that one being a good save he's probably made 10 better saves this season. That doesn't alter the fact that most other areas of his game being utterly dreadful hampers our all round game massively.
 
Ok we've reached the level of headlines put together by an editor to get clicks as justification? It's not even as though I've said he didn't play well, he did play well in the game but none of those saves were stops that any other goalkeeper shouldn't be making. If Brentford had been playing against Burnley in that game and it was Nick Pope you can guarantee the headline would not have been about the goalkeeper. But he did make the saves, so no criticism but also I'm not going to cream myself into oblivion over the best paid goalkeeper in the world doing the one thing he's good at - unless it is a genuinely exceptional save which he does at times absolutely pull off.

Firstly that wasn't in January and secondly, yes it's a very good save. It's a save you'd expect a goalkeeper of his standing to make though as he's had chance to set himself and the ball is nowhere near the corner. Where have I said he doesn't make very good saves btw? In fact despite that one being a good save he's probably made 10 better saves this season. That doesn't alter the fact that most other areas of his game being utterly dreadful hampers our all round game massively.
The reason you expect him to make saves like this is because he's an exceptional goalkeeper. Doesn't change the fact he had a cracking game. This Dean Henderson hill is a weird one to die on. You're one of very, very few people who seem to be arguing seriously for this and there's a reason for that.
 
The reason you expect him to make saves like this is because he's an exceptional goalkeeper. Doesn't change the fact he had a cracking game. This Dean Henderson hill is a weird one to die on. You're one of very, very few people who seem to be arguing seriously for this and there's a reason for that.
He’s not an exceptional goalkeeper. He’s a very good goalkeeper who is exceptional in one area & incredibly weak in most other areas to the detriment of the team. The Brentford saves I’d expect any PL level goalkeeper to stop, the Almiron one is a level above that but again, is an effort you’d expect a goalkeeper at any top club to be stopping.

I’ve repeatedly said I don’t know if Henderson is the answer so I don’t know why you keep looping back to things like me dying on that hill. However what I have said is that his overall skillset is a better fit for the defenders, as was Romeros for that matter. That’s not to say he’s better but the problem is De Gea is absolutely not the right goalkeeper for the way this team plays & defends so it’s odd to not give Henderson a run especially given the one run he had in the team did generally see an upturn in most areas.
 
He’s not an exceptional goalkeeper. He’s a very good goalkeeper who is exceptional in one area & incredibly weak in most other areas to the detriment of the team. The Brentford saves I’d expect any PL level goalkeeper to stop, the Almiron one is a level above that but again, is an effort you’d expect a goalkeeper at any top club to be stopping.

I’ve repeatedly said I don’t know if Henderson is the answer so I don’t know why you keep looping back to things like me dying on that hill. However what I have said is that his overall skillset is a better fit for the defenders, as was Romeros for that matter. That’s not to say he’s better but the problem is De Gea is absolutely not the right goalkeeper for the way this team plays & defends so it’s odd to not give Henderson a run especially given the one run he had in the team did generally see an upturn in most areas.
I am a fan of De Gea, but cam see his weaknesses which are mainly his distribution and his command of his area especially against crosses, but I have seen no real improvement from Henderson in any of those plus his shot stopping and his closing down of angles have been very poor.
He seems to want the number one shirt yet has proved only that he equals past Keepers like Foster, Carroll not the United greats De Gea has been poor in two seasons which allowed Henderson to have a chance, that chance was not taken, maybe we do need a more progressive keeper but unfortunately the two outstanding in this area at the moment are at are main rivals.
 
Let him go to progress his career. Would be shocked if Newcastle arent willing to spend at least 30m on him.
 
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Quite a lot of speculation on twitter he's been arrested this weekend for attacking his partner. Not confirmed yet I must stress. It is only a rumour. The sun are reporting that an unnamed PL footballer arrested though so it may well be true.

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Quite a lot of speculation on twitter he's been arrested this weekend for attacking his partner. Not confirmed yet I must stress. It is only a rumour. The sun are reporting that an unnamed PL footballer arrested though so it may well be true.

Admin.....it's that time again.

Domestic abuse, abuse to animals and now potentially this, the floodgates are opening on issues that were always there, just there seems to be a push by the media to bring these issues into the public eye…
 
Quite a lot of speculation on twitter he's been arrested this weekend for attacking his partner. Not confirmed yet I must stress. It is only a rumour. The sun are reporting that an unnamed PL footballer arrested though so it may well be true.

Admin.....it's that time again.
Is it the water at Old Trafford?
 
Please no, not another one.

This is turning out to be the worst season at the club since we got relegated. I can't take anymore torment. It's like being hit by Mike Tyson over and over and over. On the pitch it's a mess. Off it it's even worse.

Can't wait for the summer. :(
 
Quite a lot of speculation on twitter he's been arrested this weekend for attacking his partner. Not confirmed yet I must stress. It is only a rumour. The sun are reporting that an unnamed PL footballer arrested though so it may well be true.

Admin.....it's that time again.
You've read it completely wrong, they (whoever committed the crime) were apparently arrested when it happened "several years ago" not this weekend and the case was solved with a "five figure sum" out of court, back when it happened.
 
You've read it completely wrong, they (whoever committed the crime) were apparently arrested when it happened "several years ago" not this weekend and the case was solved with a "five figure sum" out of court, back when it happened.

I don't click on sun articles mate so I haven't read the article. I wouldn't go near that rag. Just seen it on twitter.

I don't know who it is either. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Quite a lot of speculation on twitter he's been arrested this weekend for attacking his partner. Not confirmed yet I must stress. It is only a rumour. The sun are reporting that an unnamed PL footballer arrested though so it may well be true.

Admin.....it's that time again.
I think the news was one footballer was arrested in 2019 and the matter was settled by paying some big amount. It is not today's news.
 
I don't click on sun articles mate so I haven't read the article. I wouldn't go near that rag. Just seen it on twitter.

I don't know who it is either. Don't shoot the messenger.
You can't really deliver news like that and then say "don't shoot the messenger", it's a very damaging rumour to be spreading.
 
The media have a proper hard on for United at the mo. Seems every day there's more negative bullshit being spewed.
 
When I read the headline of that article, I only caught "Dean Henderson denies rumours that..." and thought it was him quashing the chat that he is the internal leak.
 


We should have sold him when his stock was high if we never intended to make him our number 1, instead we give him a bumper contract and promises of game time, only to give him virtually 0 and annoy him. Obviously you can't play him when De Gea is in such good form, but then you shouldn't make promises of playtime too, it's irresponsible.
 


We should have sold him when his stock was high if we never intended to make him our number 1, instead we give him a bumper contract and promises of game time, only to give him virtually 0 and annoy him. Obviously you can't play him when De Gea is in such good form, but then you shouldn't make promises of playtime too, it's irresponsible.

Of course you can. This "good form" is mythical to put it mildly, if I was Henderson or even Heaton frankly I'd be fuming that De Gea is an automatic pick despite costing us goals week in week out.
 


We should have sold him when his stock was high if we never intended to make him our number 1, instead we give him a bumper contract and promises of game time, only to give him virtually 0 and annoy him. Obviously you can't play him when De Gea is in such good form, but then you shouldn't make promises of playtime too, it's irresponsible.


Tbf he'd have probably come into this season as No.1, he just got covid at the wrong time.
 
Completely forgot about him. No way he stays beyond this season if new manager prefers to keep De Gea as his first choice.
 
It's best for Henderson to move on from united. He turns 25 in a few days and he's failed to usurp De Gea. I don't personally think he's good enough for this club, but he's definitely a PL level goalkeeper.
 


For me this is additional proof that Henderson leaks to Luckhurst - the man who has championed him like no other.
 


For me this is additional proof that Henderson leaks to Luckhurst - the man who has championed him like no other.

It would make sense, if you look at the timelines where Luckhurst started getting more reliable I suspect it would coincide with Henderson's returned from Sheffield United.
 


If Newcastle are willing to pay a decent sum i'd suggest we probably take it
 
Why? He has been excellent this season. The idea that Dean Henderson has proven to be as good or better than DDG is an absolute myth.

Evolution of the team that plays out from the back is what he might be getting at I think. Nobody is questioning DDG's saving shots.

DDG is really poor with his feet and passing. Henderson is actually pretty good in that respect.

However we won't be able to sell DDG anyway due to his wages so feel like he's stuck here until his deal runs out.
 
Why? He has been excellent this season. The idea that Dean Henderson has proven to be as good or better than DDG is an absolute myth.
There are four important parts of being a modern keeper (three of them have always been important). Shot stopping, command of the box, communication with the defenders, and distribution. De Gea is one of the greatest of all time in one of those aspects, but he's literally amongst the worst in the league at all of the other three. The sooner we realise that we can't keep ignoring his weaknesses because of his one big strength the better.

From what we've seen from Henderson he's not even that great at those other three aspects either, but he's still much better than De Gea. The only time that he got a proper run of games the defence instantly looked far more comfortable. De Gea's shot-stopping has improved significantly from that period of time, but the rest of his game hasn't and I don't think it's a coincidence that the defence instantly fell apart ahead of him again.
 
Evolution of the team that plays out from the back is what he might be getting at I think. Nobody is questioning DDG's saving shots.

DDG is really poor with his feet and passing. Henderson is actually pretty good in that respect.

However we won't be able to sell DDG anyway due to his wages so feel like he's stuck here until his deal runs out.

Fair enough. I just don't see a major benefit in sacrificing some shot stopping for marginally better distribution. Fixing our midfield would do a lot more for our general play, so if selling Henderson can help to fund that project, we should go ahead.
 
Fair enough. I just don't see a major benefit in sacrificing some shot stopping for marginally better distribution. Fixing our midfield would do a lot more for our general play, so if selling Henderson can help to fund that project, we should go ahead.

Spot on. De Gea is suddenly being made to look like a real hindrance and liability and I don't agree with it. The club has way more pressing issues in different areas of the pitch to address. Newcastle can have Henderson for 25-30M
 
Fair enough. I just don't see a major benefit in sacrificing some shot stopping for marginally better distribution. Fixing our midfield would do a lot more for our general play, so if selling Henderson can help to fund that project, we should go ahead.
It's not marginal though, you look at someone like Ederson or Alisson and they are retaining possession with 15/20% more of their long passes than De Gea. They average 1.5 and 1 sweeping action outside the penalty area per 90 minutes despite playing in teams that keep possession considerably better than us, whereas De Gea averages 0.2 (yes, one action every five games) in a team that supposedly wants to play a high line - the worst in the league. Again you look at crosses, De Gea has dealt with 3% of crosses into the box this season, the worst in the league. The two aforementioned are at 8% and 9%. The differences aren't marginal, they're huge.

To bring this back around to Henderson, his numbers last season in terms of long passing were slightly better than this seasons De Gea numbers (only around 4% better so well short of Ederson/Alisson), but he dealt with 8.6% of crosses and averaged 1.1 sweeping actions outside the area which was why we were able to play higher up the pitch in front of him. So when people say Henderson may not be the answer long term but he's a better fit than De Gea for our defence, it's a view that is supported by the statistics as well as the basic evidence such as more clean sheets, much higher win % etc.
Spot on. De Gea is suddenly being made to look like a real hindrance and liability and I don't agree with it. The club has way more pressing issues in different areas of the pitch to address. Newcastle can have Henderson for 25-30M
There's nothing "suddenly" about this, he's been a massive problem for years. The difference is people are finally, slowly, starting to see it.
 
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It's not marginal though, you look at someone like Ederson or Alisson and they are retaining possession with 15/20% more of their long passes than De Gea. They average 1.5 and 1 sweeping action outside the penalty area per 90 minutes despite playing in teams that keep possession considerably better than us, whereas De Gea averages 0.2 (yes, one action every five games) in a team that supposedly wants to play a high line - the worst in the league. Again you look at crosses, De Gea has dealt with 3% of crosses into the box this season, the worst in the league. The two aforementioned are at 8% and 9%. The differences aren't marginal, they're huge.

To bring this back around to Henderson, his numbers last season in terms of long passing were slightly better than this seasons De Gea numbers (only around 4% better so well short of Ederson/Alisson), but he dealt with 8.6% of crosses and averaged 1.1 sweeping actions outside the area which was why we were able to play higher up the pitch in front of him. So when people say Henderson may not be the answer long term but he's a better fit than De Gea for our defence, it's a view that is supported by the statistics as well as the basic evidence such as more clean sheets, much higher win % etc.

There's nothing "suddenly" about this, he's been a massive problem for years. The difference is people are finally, slowly, starting to see it.

Fair enough if 'people' see it this way, but do you think a De Gea replacement is a priority in the next window? Do you think Henderson has the ability/skillset to become number one or should the club look elsewhere? If De Gea is to leave I personally think the club will go out and sign another keeper
 
Fair enough if 'people' see it this way, but do you think a De Gea replacement is a priority in the next window? Do you think Henderson has the ability/skillset to become number one or should the club look elsewhere? If De Gea is to leave I personally think the club will go out and sign another keeper

We are not winning a title with De Gea in my opinion.

Going in to a season knowing that is I guess is how different think.
 
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