Huge error early on but I thought he recovered well from it. Good sign of a strong mentality and ability to cope with pressure.
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Occasion got to him tonight. Hopefully he'll learn from this and bounce back vs Everton next week.
Bizarre focus.
May just be down the the different keepers' personalities and the best way to man manage them.
At Sheffield United it appeared that any character flaws on Henderson's part tended to be towards over-confidence and a need to focus more. In fact seemingly harsh comments from Ole would echo the tone of Wilder when Henderson made a mistake:
And even Wilder when he was doing well at times:
Whereas with DDG's errors piling up, a show of support might have been what they felt was needed in his particular case as damaged confidence was more of a worry than over-confidence.
Romero has often made our defenders look decent, while De Gea makes those same defenders look awful. You can hide behind the ’exceptional’ saves DDG makes for all you want, but his overall goalkeeping isn’t good enough.
For Henderson vs Romero though, I’ll admit there isn’t really enough ground to make any sort of conclusions yet.
Made an Error, also both Lindelof and Maguire had an opportunity to get the ball up field. Thankkfully it didn’t cost us anything and made a decent save at the end to get the 3 points.
Yup. I don't think that Henderson is bad, he definitely is a Premier League quality player, though, at the same time, he has no outstanding attributes to become a world-class keeper. He has a Pickford-like ceiling that clearly is not enough for here.
So, I didn't understand the big contract and keeping him here as De Gea's heir. I think it would have been smarter to sell him on the hype, and if we do not trust De Gea to go all in either for a top keeper like Oblak or for an extremely talented one like Onana. I guess United just got scared that if De Gea continues regressing, we might be forced to sign some keeper, and you never know how good they are (see Kepa for example on whom Chelsea burned 80m) and wanted to have a safe option. But then, we had Romero who is more or less as good as Henderson.
I guess we are just terrible at making deals. We never sell in the hype, and we tend to buy when players reach their maximum valuation.
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Hendo is one for the future but he's definitely not ready to be our regular starting keeper just yet. Romero is a class above him, but Sergio will move on. Dave has been here about a decade now and it may soon be time for him to go back to Spain, but if we had to pick between the two keepers for the rest of the season it's an easy call: Dave.
Yeah, you're right. Lets not break down the periphery mistakes that's just too weird. Lets play it the United way and move onto the next game without accepting any responsibility at all.
I’d have done the same with Williams actually. Liverpool have done it for a good while and make shed loads doing it.
We wait until they are nothing more than bench players for us at best (or worse Lingard), and try selling them when they are worth nothing.
People who are saying that he’s much worse than De Gea probably skipped the seasons 2018-2020. You can’t seriously say that until Henderson actually has some consistent game time for us. Because it’s quite obvious which one of the two performed better last season. It’s a whole different thing to be a Manchester United keeper, but just let’s not be so quick to judge.
Every game he has played this season, I got nervous everytime the ball got anywhere near him, not because I don't have complete confidence in him, but because I know what would come if he made a mistake.
Going by the reaction in this thread, you could see many were desperate to see him make a mistake, and it's sad. He's a goalkeeper who's barely played this season, is bound to be rusty, and wasn't done any favours by Maguire, but it's a big chance for De Gea's apologists to pretend like De Gea has never made a mistake, and not suprised to see them go for it.
De Gea kicked one right against Calvert-Lewin and in against Everton not too long ago, Lloris was charged down in the 2018 World Cup final and conceded, Alisson conceded a similar goal in his early days at Liverpool, Courtois kicked one straight to an opposing player, and conceded in a defeat a few weeks ago - I could go on and on.
Seasoned world class goalkeepers with great reputations and plenty of games under their belt, making similar mistakes just like Henderson did today. No one said they were not ready, should be loaned out, or dumb shit like that. Why? Because it is indeed dumb to use one mistake by a player to judge him.
'Not ready' seems to be the cliche cretins use to describe young players whenever they make mistakes, because the experienced century-capped players never make mistakes it seems.
He came out twice to punch away two threatening corners, and dealt with the shots well. Hope Solskjaer is no a De Gea apologist as well. He should get another game against Everton, and rightly so.
Going by the reaction in this thread, you could see many were desperate to see him make a mistake, and it's sad. He's a goalkeeper who's barely played this season, is bound to be rusty, and wasn't done any favours by Maguire, but it's a big chance for De Gea's apologists to pretend like De Gea has never made a mistake, and not suprised to see them go for it.
De Gea kicked one right against Calvert-Lewin and in against Everton not too long ago, Lloris was charged down in the 2018 World Cup final and conceded, Alisson conceded a similar goal in his early days at Liverpool, Courtois kicked one straight to an opposing player, and conceded in a defeat a few weeks ago - I could go on and on.
Seasoned world class goalkeepers with great reputations and plenty of games under their belt, making similar mistakes just like Henderson did today. No one said they were not ready, should be loaned out, or dumb shit like that. Why? Because it is indeed dumb to use one mistake by a player to judge him.
'Not ready' seems to be the cliche cretins use to describe young players whenever they make mistakes, because the experienced century-capped players never make mistakes it seems.
He came out twice to punch away two threatening corners, and dealt with the shots well. Hope Solskjaer is no a De Gea apologist as well. He should get another game against Everton, and rightly so.
Man, thats so interesting.
He made a mistake, I've admitted as much in this very thread, but Maguire should never pass him the ball there.
Don't think it was absurd, just like they had an instruction to go straight at him and try to unsettle him. Maybe am overthinking on that one as they were in full aggressive mode for the first 15 minutes.
All together, considering that the mistake was so early in the game and how huge it was, he responded relatively fine looking at that context. Visibly shaken, but still offered himself for the ball, pulled that save in the end... Think he will be fine, he is in kids age for a goalkeeper. Pressure goes with the shirt and will have to learn to live/play with it.
Second goal concerned me more, just fell into the net.
Weird.
Weird.
Feck me, same thing crossed my mind while watching the game. And if that turns out to be the case it validates the whole point you were making in that post.
First goal is a tactical issue. I don't get the point of the keeper passing out to someone inside the box if they're just going to pass it right back to him or hoof it themselves, if not that then play it out wide to someone that hoofs it. It's a cool thing to do at times, but you really have to understand how teams setup to counter us doing this. It's not on Henderson. He received the pass moving towards the ball, he should not receive any pass if not to clear it immediately in that position but that's not what we want, apparently we want our fullbacks to do that after a few risky passes.
In my book Henderson redeemed himself with the match-winning save at the end. You need to be able to keep your focus even when a team hasn't had any shots on target all game, and he proved that he could do a great save at an important moment in a game where he made the first mistake. Mental strength!
In my book Henderson redeemed himself with the match-winning save at the end. You need to be able to keep your focus even when a team hasn't had any shots on target all game, and he proved that he could do a great save at an important moment in a game where he made the first mistake. Mental strength!
Doesn’t matter how good you are, some players need a run of games to show their true level. Let’s give the kid a run and if he’s not up to it so be it - least we will know we tried.
I meant over the night. I actually said in part of the post you deleted that he was on his line for the goal.
For the goal, yes. But saying he was glued to his line implies he stayed in his line all night. The comparison to DDG is that he always stays on his line. That isn't and wasn't true of Henderson tonight.
I love that he took on the fact they tried to pin him to his line. He didn't cower.
Henderson seems to have the same personality, where he won't shrink.
He made a goal costing mistake v Leeds for Sheffield (hehe) in the championship as well. Fronted up to it big time.
Pickford is a nervous wreck which limits his abilities and he is a bit shorter than most which limits his reach. Neither applies to Henderson, especially the point about his temper. Dean Henderson on form has very distinctive strengths and abilities. He reminds me a bit of the great dane in style, he is very brave and tough. Don't underestimate him just based on him dwelling on the ball on one occasion and getting blocked on one corner. It happens and tells nothing about his potential.
Pickford in his head wants (or wanted) to be like the great dane though. He is sometimes overly confident pulling that tough guy act and he especially did it at the start of his career which got him a lot of approval. This Pickford now is a bit more grounded into reality and insecure.
Agree about reach advantage and it is not like for like comparison anyway. Pickford level means solid mid-table EPL goalkeeper.
However, early days and all that. Wasn't hyping him before and certainly won't write him off based on one game.
Looked very bad on both goals. Didn't grab this opportunity
2nd goal .... looked nervous throughout
Reminded me of Ben Foster feck up , I think it was City ?
Have you ever played in goal? Half the game is anticipation and that funky shit from Lindelöf was hard to anticipate. Didn't do much wrong for the second one, one might argue he should have come out for the corner but again it was a crowd of 4 CB's in a pack. Not sure he did anything wrong staying in. For the first goal Maguire didn't do him any favours at all. No open pass for Henderson and if the point was to have Henderson boot it up, Harry should have done that himself. Hope Ole gives him couple of games.
There's not much to break down. We pass the ball around our own box, like quite a lot of other teams, and we've done it for some time, it's one of those few times it ends up with a feck up. It's not a poor pass that Henderson has to scramble to get to, and it's not like it's a 50-50 inviting the striker to challenge for the ball. If Henderson does what he'll do 999/1000 times, no one is complaining. Instead he cocks it up and they score. Shit happens and it's unlikely to happen again for quite some tie, so we roll on with it.
But he didn't stay in. He was on his way off the line, stopped, and got caught out of position when the ball did bounce in. The replay clearly shows it.
He took a step forward yes, he anticipated that one of our big feckers could win the header that was his mistake. Not saying he looked particularly well in that situation but not sure he could have done much to save it. He looked nervous but that comes from not playing regularly and not having a secure first team spot. Hope he gets a couple of games to show his skills.
He has a similar playing style to DDG.
Not even a close comparison.
He'll be disappointed with both goals tonight.
The first one he's put under unnecessary pressure from his captain. As the passer of the ball he is responsible for it's destination , Maguire should either be turning and playing it to Telles or hoofing it himself, Sheffield are pressing high and aggressively, he should be releasing pressure not inviting it. If he gives back to Henderson he should be ensuring that he knows to just boot it away and should be giving him a pass that allows him to do that. He does neither, Henderson has to take a touch and fecks up. It happens.
The second one, he could come for the corner, he's blocked by Mousset and there's a lot of bodies there. Lindelof and Maguire jump for the header both aren't set right and didn't do anything properly. It bounced off McGoldrick and drops in. He is slightly rocking back on his heels and he's not expecting it. The defensive set up from the corners is terrible. It's clear the last few weeks that whatever the instructions are they aren't working. Basic man for man defending with men on the posts and that goal is easily avoided.
Not a great game tonight, but he'll learn from it I'm sure. People writing him off is a strange one. He's had a mixed bag for us when called on and it's his first season at this sort of level for a club like United. Its a new level of pressure and concentration, we will see if he's got what it takes.
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And it's more than just a step forward, just watch the replay for christ sake.
This isn't all that difficult. If you leave the line like that it's because you're collecting the ball. When you don't and you suddenly have to get back to the line while you're trying to pay attention to where the ball is going, well, saving anything that goes towards goal suddenly becomes much more difficult. Out of position, struggles to get back in time and it's 3-2.
The second goal is a mistake, shit happens, fortunately it didn't cost us any points but unfortunately for Henderson he made two feckups where both resulted in goals.
Poor mistakes. They all make them. He does it again any time soon I'll start worrying but not there yet.
Doubt you’d give DDG as much leeway as you did to Henderson there
I disagree with the poster you quoted, and have no issue with the ball from Maguire. But, I do think Henderson should be given more leeway than DDG, they are at very different stages of their careers.
I agree but there will be pages and pages about DDG if he did what Henderson did tonight . And no one is replying like he did if DDG was in goals
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