His “strengths” by most accounts are exaggerated and have very little to do with Harry Maguire. He will be the same shit GK when we have de Ligt, Yoro and Martinez aying.I never said he wasn’t a shit gk. Just that the strengths we bought him for, we haven’t been able to play to them yet.
Well like I said, we haven’t seen them yet. That’s my point.His “strengths” by most accounts are exaggerated and have very little to do with Harry Maguire. He will be the same shit GK when we have de Ligt, Yoro and Martinez aying.
You're not really allowed to say it round here but absolutely not. Getting rid of DDG was correct in my opinion due to a combination of wages/declining performances and the odd situation it would have been for him to be relegated to 2nd choice.Has Onana's performance & EtH's tactics in 23/24 justified the latter getting rid of DDG & buying the former for £50m?
Onana reminds me of Barthez.You're not really allowed to say it round here but absolutely not. Getting rid of DDG was correct in my opinion due to a combination of wages/declining performances and the odd situation it would have been for him to be relegated to 2nd choice.
Nobody will be able to convince me £50m on Onana was a good idea though. Such a poor keeper with so many shortcomings and I've seen little evidence of these supposed strengths of his. Even now as I watch the charity shield and he hoofs long ball after long ball to no one.
We've already improved massively when it comes to saving pens.It's the "how" we got rid. Contract offers, negotiations, compromise, agreement and then we withdraw our offer and replace it with another "offer" best described as an insult. Embarrassing.
Replacing him with Onana was also not the right move. We didn't improve in regards to GKs.
Shameful behaviour on our part. I hope he does well in Italy.
De Gea fanbois are so weird. Can’t stop obsessing about Onana, even in a thread dedicated entirely to their guy signing for a mediocre Serie A team.
I wouldn't have said there's much obsessing about Onana here. Not compared to you obsessing over ddg in the Onana thread last season TBFDe Gea fanbois are so weird. Can’t stop obsessing about Onana, even in a thread dedicated entirely to their guy signing for a mediocre Serie A team.
Obviously my username doesn't help me but every time I make a comment about Onana's performance or ability it's always brought back to Onana vs De Gea which is annoying to say the least. I think there's few if any fans really think we should have kept DDG. What I do think is the real debate is should we expect better from a £50m goalkeeper? Could we have got another goalkeeper with better ball playing the DDG but without all Onana's shortcomings when it actually comes to keeping goal?I wouldn't have said there's much obsessing about Onana here. Not compared to you obsessing over ddg in the Onana thread last season TBF
Absolutely. DDG was a legend for us (I think) but it was absolutely his time to go. That said, Onana was not an upgrade at the time (in my opinion) and he's been shaky since. I suspect we'll end up moving him on in fairly short order.Obviously my username doesn't help me but every time I make a comment about Onana's performance or ability it's always brought back to Onana vs De Gea which is annoying to say the least. I think there's few if any fans really think we should have kept DDG. What I do think is the real debate is should we expect better from a £50m goalkeeper? Could we have got another goalkeeper with better ball playing the DDG but without all Onana's shortcomings when it actually comes to keeping goal?
I really think we could have and I think all of Onana's shortcomings are going to bite us again this season. That does not for one second mean I think DDG should still be United's goalkeeper.
I wouldn't have said there's much obsessing about Onana here. Not compared to you obsessing over ddg in the Onana thread last season TBF
Absolutely. DDG was a legend for us (I think) but it was absolutely his time to go. That said, Onana was not an upgrade at the time (in my opinion) and he's been shaky since. I suspect we'll end up moving him on in fairly short order.
Disagree. How has he 'clearly' been better?This is also nonsense.
I’ll admit that Onana still has a lot to prove and we should be expecting more from a goalkeeper as expensive as him. But he has clearly already surpassed the very low bar set by his predecessor. The problem is, there’s not many PL keepers who couldn’t do that.
Totally trueNonsense.
We've already improved massively when it comes to saving pens.
I mean, he's obviously been better and enables us to play a different, more modern way, and your initial claim that he "wasn't an upgrade at the time" is genuinely insane - he had been one of the top performing GKs in Europe by pretty much all metrics for several seasons and was an excellent choice. He obviously needs to prove more at Utd (would be nice for him to play behind a defence that's actually comfortable receiving the ball), but despite his mishaps early last season, he's showing good signs of progress and had a good/very good second half of the season.Disagree. How has he 'clearly' been better?
He's much better with ball at feet but he's not good enough at the things de gea was poor at to justify the upgrade. We would have been better off last year with ddg. I know where you fall on this so it's not worth the debate, but that's where I am.
Again, disagree. He's not 'obviously been better'. Feel free to bang on about stats all you want but he came in and was poor, so no, he wasn't an upgrade at the time. There's also been very little evidence of the 'more modern' style of play so far. Yes, we need players that are more comfortable receiving the ball but, again, I'd argue that we shouldn't have brought him in until we had those pieces in place. Even without that, he's an average shot stopper that always seems to have a mistake in him.I mean, he's obviously been better and enables us to play a different, more modern way, and your initial claim that he "wasn't an upgrade at the time" is genuinely insane - he had been one of the top performing GKs in Europe by pretty much all metrics for several seasons and was an excellent choice. He obviously needs to prove more at Utd (would be nice for him to play behind a defence that's actually comfortable receiving the ball), but despite his mishaps early last season, he's showing good signs of progress and had a good/very good second half of the season.
I mean, he was, and there has been, but it seems your mind is made up on this notwithstanding what is actually happening and what was the reality at the time he was signed, so whatever.Again, disagree. He's not 'obviously been better'. Feel free to bang on about stats all you want but he came in and was poor, so no, he wasn't an upgrade at the time. There's also been very little evidence of the 'more modern' style of play so far.
Just continuing to say 'he was' and claiming it's 'the reality' doesn't make it so, you know? I don't want to be argumentative about it, but your take is just as much opinion as mine.I mean, he was, and there has been, but it seems your mind is made up on this notwithstanding what is actually happening and what was the reality at the time he was signed, so whatever.
My headcanon is that he's spent the past year in a training program which is the equivalent of a montage in a movie, where he has overcome his mediocrity with his feet
Chances are he too might have done those mistakes what Onana did. Last couple of years he had few howlers as well. Point is, he was a great short stopper with many shortcomings as pointed out by Rojofiam. We definitely needed an upgrade on him and so far Onana has been quite decent. Jury is still out on Onana but I too disagree with people claiming we should have kept Dave. I used to love the guy and he indeed was a great servant for the club but we moved on from him at the right time.Whilst I agree with most of what you have said it is still pretty much a certainty that we would have made the knock out stage of the Champions League last season if we still had him.
I mean, he's obviously been better and enables us to play a different, more modern way, and your initial claim that he "wasn't an upgrade at the time" is genuinely insane - he had been one of the top performing GKs in Europe by pretty much all metrics for several seasons and was an excellent choice. He obviously needs to prove more at Utd (would be nice for him to play behind a defence that's actually comfortable receiving the ball), but despite his mishaps early last season, he's showing good signs of progress and had a good/very good second half of the season.
Over a year of break. Hope he gained some perspective and began to work on his deficiencies. Its never too late dave.
Still an exceptional shot stopper. Always plays with his head down and if he can sort it out, he can be good. I don't think it's impossible. The league is forgiving too.I mean it's definitely too late for that.
