I’d chuck whatever fee we get into the rebuild pot and just let Romero have a season as first choice. See how Henderson gets on in the PL and maybe leave the position open for him.
De Gea contract talk | Signs new deal
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I think people got very spoiled by De Gea's performances and they don't think having a world class keeper is necessary. I know last few months haven't been great but neither Romero nor Henderson are good enough to replace him. If we sell De Gea we must replace him otherwise we will quickly realise how much we miss De Gea.
Most arent taking about his performance, more to do with him wanting to leave us for the second time while running down the contract. His performance levels arent even debatable. Plus his reported 500k p/w isnt helping.
I think I’d rather prioritise other areas tbh. Improving the defence with a world class defender is far more important than signing a top class goalkeeper, in my opinion. Not to say we couldn’t do both, but we have so many areas that need addressing, I just can’t see us splurging another 60-80m on Oblak or whoever.
I know we must improve a lot of areas. We desperately need a RB, RW, CB, CM, DM and the manager, basically new team
But I just think that not replacing De Gea would be a mistake. Although we will be in EL and most likely finish 6th so we can put Grant in goal, who cares.I know we must improve a lot of areas. We desperately need a RB, RW, CB, CM, DM and the manager, basically new team
Completely agree - Liverpool show what happens when you replace a blunder prone goalie with someone consistent. De Gea has been one of the factors papering over the cracks. We'd be truly fecked if he went and we didn't get someone competent to replace him.
Saying that, Romero is actually very good whenever he's played. If he could play like he does week in week out, we may not meet the total disaster one would expect from losing the best goalie in the world (recent howlers aside).
Apparently, wages aren't really the issue. Agent wants a ton of money.
That side of the argument I totally get, if any player actively want to go then show them the door I say. But those who are on here retroactively trying to diminish the man’s legacy and worth as a GK is ridiculous. Those who argue he’s not been quality for more and 12 / 15 / 18 months are just a joke.
And likewise those who, somehow are blaming DDG for our poor defence because he’s saved their asses so much...THAT’S HIS JOB!!! It’s not his fault that the hierarchy haven’t reinforced those in front of him. But to say that him leaving will spark a rebuild of the defence is just as deluded.
How about we get a better defence in front of him so he doesn’t feel like he’s the little Dutch boy trying to stop the dam from bursting.
I see. Perhaps try and get some money for him this summer if that's the case.
I'm in favour of Romero/Henderson taking over next year. That is if we can't match his demands.
A new goalkeeper and CB may freshen up our backline, we do need new ideas from the back in terms of how we play out.
A new goalkeeper and CB may freshen up our backline, we do need new ideas from the back in terms of how we play out.
I fully agree, the board should have given him a better defense to work with. Utd recent problems have little or nothing to do with DDG he has probably been the biggest culprit helping Utd to paper over the cracks.
I know we must improve a lot of areas. We desperately need a RB, RW, CB, CM, DM and the manager, basically new team
Would you rather him just leave on a free? I’d personally take the £70m if that’s on the table.
I would not. All I am saying is that we must replace him if he goes.
DDG wants to match Sanchez wage, so you are talking about 500K including bonus, or at least 3XX K on basic wages. I am sure his agent want a dip into the pie, another 8-10m cash perhaps.
Really interesting article on his season which uses stats to talk around the deficiencies of his game vs other top keepers
https://www.skysports.com/transfer/...m-whats-up-with-manchester-uniteds-goalkeeper
as mad as it sounds even when he is on form with the shot stopping I think he harms our game. He cedes possession to the opposition more than anyone with his aimless distribution and fails to martial what is a defence in need of leadership.
Gutsy decisions need making this summer and clearing him and Pogba might seem insane but we need to reset the team from a tactical and mental point of view.
The wage structure needs resetting also, we need to cease being a team which guarantees top dollar,
If reports are to be believed then Liverpool pay Salah about £200k per week and City pay De Bruyne/Sterling/Aguero about the same - these are all world class talents and we are seemingly willing to pay lesser talents more. We need to make playing for United a privilege again and resetting this benchmark from a wage POV has to start soon.
https://www.skysports.com/transfer/...m-whats-up-with-manchester-uniteds-goalkeeper
as mad as it sounds even when he is on form with the shot stopping I think he harms our game. He cedes possession to the opposition more than anyone with his aimless distribution and fails to martial what is a defence in need of leadership.
Gutsy decisions need making this summer and clearing him and Pogba might seem insane but we need to reset the team from a tactical and mental point of view.
The wage structure needs resetting also, we need to cease being a team which guarantees top dollar,
If reports are to be believed then Liverpool pay Salah about £200k per week and City pay De Bruyne/Sterling/Aguero about the same - these are all world class talents and we are seemingly willing to pay lesser talents more. We need to make playing for United a privilege again and resetting this benchmark from a wage POV has to start soon.
I’d love him to sign a new deal and stay but my head is in ‘rebuild mode’ now, which has made me almost emotionless to outgoing transfers, no matter how good the players are. If they don’t want to be here, cash in and get rid.
Getting players in that want to play here on sensible wages has to be the base of our rebuild. Throwing ridiculous money at players in desperation just has to stop. If that applies to De Gea, sorry to see him go but we’ve got to draw a line.
Getting players in that want to play here on sensible wages has to be the base of our rebuild. Throwing ridiculous money at players in desperation just has to stop. If that applies to De Gea, sorry to see him go but we’ve got to draw a line.
Some (and a bit more) perspective is needed here..First of all, it's mostly a shit article...Underlined by this glorious line:
It suggests that, on average, De Gea would have been expected to concede between 46 and 47 Premier League goals. Instead, he has let in 50, which is more than all but three goalkeepers in the country and the most that United have conceded in 40 years.
De Gea is the outlier and it's costing United.
So essentially, the expected goals agains us is around 47, we've let in 50, and De Gea is the issue because we've let in 3 more than the expected 47
...Is the problem the 6% he's "accountable" for, or the remaining 94%It'd be a good idea to take a look at why the xGA was fecking 47...
Our xGA was almost 44 last season...GA ended up at 28.
It's essentially shit, because they're going for cheap arguments instead of digging deeper. Like how he's conceded 8 goals from outside the box, while Lloris, Ederson and Alisson have a combined 7. 8 goals against, xGA was 6,65. Is the problem that the number is 8 while the rest have lt in less ? The stats would suggest that almost 7 of those goals were expected to go in.
The opposition averaged 4.55 shots on target against us, more or less what they managed combined against Liverpool and City.
Is aimless long balls a result of inability to pick out teammates or is it because of the way we've set out to play combined with the players we have available. I suppose it's a quick check in terms of comparing short range passes to long range passes between the other goalkeepers, amount of passes, would probably paint a decent picture (he averages almost twice as many long balls as Ederson and Alisson per match)
In terms of failing to command his defence, and generally coming off the line, fair enough, but is this a major concern at this stage ? The CB is supposed to command and control the defence, isn't it a slightly larger concern that none of our centre backs are leaders (or halfway decent, for that matter). If we had Van Dijk, would anyone be concerned that De Gea isn't commanding enough ? The main problem is our defenders.
We're at a stage where we need to replace quite a lot of players, and for some bizarre reason people want to throw out arguably our two best performers in De Gea and Pogba. It might come as a surprise to some, but we're certainly not going to sign 11 players this summer.
The going rate for top quality goalkeepers, and we'll need one if we sell De Gea because Romero sure as hell isn't one, is sky high these days. In terms of Pogba, look at what Barcelona forked out for Dembele, Coutinho....
We already have more than enough gaps to fill, the essentials this summer is to keep all the quality players and strengthen the squad.
James Ducker has reported that he's asking for £480k a week..
That cannot be true.
This would make him in the top five highest players in the world wouldn’t it?Then he needs to go.
£480k?! He's been a great player for us and will go down as one of our best 'keepers but we need to let him go, time to move on.
What's he on now?
£200k per week I believe.
I don't understand how some people can still argue with keeping DDG on 400k a week ?! Obviously we are not paying that much without CL for God knows how long , so he isn't going to sign. And If we don't sell him now, we are going to lose him on a free next year.
So thanks for the 8 years with us, we are going to miss you but it's time to move on. And since Ole has been targeting young local players so far, it is only fair to give Dean Henderson his chance to prove his worth.
So thanks for the 8 years with us, we are going to miss you but it's time to move on. And since Ole has been targeting young local players so far, it is only fair to give Dean Henderson his chance to prove his worth.
Even if De Gea hadn't made a single mistake this season and had improved all facets of his game, I would still not be happy with him getting such a contract. He needs to leave if this is true.
So he wants double that plus an extra £80 grand a week? Blimey. If he did manage to secure a move to Real, PSG, or whomever, they wouldn't match that: they might not even match what he's on now. We've made a rod for our own backs here, or rather Woodward has. The Sanchez ripple effect.
If true, this takes greed to a different level.
Let the mercenary go ....he’d do well to get half of that anywhere else.
It’s beyond a joke, Utd must stop these spiralling contracts.
480K? 25 million a spunking year?
I'd rather play Romero's washing machine
I'd rather play Romero's washing machine
Seriously?? On current form (which is what counts) he is not even the best in England mate.
He's on £240k a week currently but wants double that to stay according to James Ducker.
He’s not even the best in Manchester.
I didn't say he is the best goalkeeper - I said he is the best shot stopper. Even after his poor form. Direct one to one shot - De gea would save more than others.
However, as I said in the post - he has other more significant weaknesses to his game.
Although I disagree about Romero and Henderson not being good enough, I 100% agree that keeping De Gea is pivotal to our season.
It is obvious we will have a new look team come August and if we do sign 4-5 new players for the first 11, having a new keeper in Romero or anyone else for that matter could be disastrous for us. A settled keeper is a must when going through a squad rebuild. We could sign De Ligt, N'Dombele, Felix and Dybala and it would take several months to see them 'click' and the keeper that starts as our #1 would need to be confident and in form come the 1st game of the season!
If he does as PSG are rumoured to be suggesting (see out the last year of his contract, then leave for nothing), we should put him up for sale now.
but he has looked far from settled for months now
Who would buy him when they know he will be free next year. Why would he agree terms with another club when he knows he will get a much bigger salary by waiting another year. Add into the mix that we already have a big rebuild to do without having to spend big to replace DDG this season.
He's entitled to run down his contract and he is still an asset to United if he stays here so i think given our situation we have to let him run down his contract if thats what he wants and spend this season identifying his replacement.
but look how unsettled he has been by contract talks. to me, his mistakes have pretty much all been down to lack of concentration. why would things change next season? are you telling me Real Madrid wouldn't snap him up (of course, he'd have to agree to go)
And thats the key here. If he has designs on moving to PSG /Madrid, neither would likely be in a position to sign him as they are balancing their books or have more pressing concerns elsewhere on the field. If United put him up for sale and say Juventus are the only ones to match the bid then he might not fancy the mvoe anyway and hold off until next summer.
I hate the mere thought of selling him but for all this 'Romero's rubbish' talk, don't we have a good record with him? Once he plays I feel like our defenders know they have to stay alert.
Romero is better than some names suggested (ie Keylor Navas)
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