I agree we all tend to be eager to make diagnosis like you say. I have followed Leipzig since Forsberg did his move from Malmö. Not every game, but 5-10 per year maybe, so I’ve seen him a couple of times. The things I wrote was not based on this match, these are problems I’ve seen all the time. Poor decision making, poor awareness when players run in behind him, and pushing forward at the wrong occasions. Then obviously he has many strong sides. Most of his weak sides are also things that can be trained away. All CB at age 22 have weaknesses.
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Konate is better, but he is also injury prone. I watched Upamecano closely in 2020 against us and PSG, as well as some other top games in the Bundesliga, and i find him overrated on here.
Upemecano is not so different from Bailly, in my opinion. He has a high top level, but he is also making silly mistakes.
I don't think he'd come in and instantly improve us, he's up and down which is to be expected at his age, think he'd frustrate one week, amaze us the next, not sure that's what we want though is it? He's got a lot of potential, but will it be realised? There lies the gamble.
Why not Konate, liked him better than Upamecano in the few matches I watched. Any serious followers of Bundesliga who can shed some light on both?
RB Leipzig set to lose Upamecano for €42m in summer but won't sell in January
Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea interested
22-year-old has release clause that comes into effect in summer
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...no-for-42m-in-summer-but-wont-sell-in-january
Cheeky bid?
Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea interested
22-year-old has release clause that comes into effect in summer
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...no-for-42m-in-summer-but-wont-sell-in-january
Cheeky bid?
it's a weird one.. do they think they'll win CL? We should offer 50M if the club has any ambition to build on our current good situation
The Guardian piece is from Romano which contradicts what David Ornstein and Laurie Whitwell have reported regarding United having pulled out of a potential deal. I personally think he'll end up at either Chelsea or Bayern.
I'm sure we're mentioned because there is a law which states that United must be linked with every player on the market.
Not just on here, most football fans do.
Ask any fan from Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc which CB do you want and they will say Upamecano.
Its just the hype created around him, fans who have probably watched him play 2/3 times.
If you watch 90 minute games of Upamecano, not saying I watch Leipzig because I dont, you will not that he isnt the defender most people think he is.
Playing in a back 3, the amount of chances they concede considering they have 2 of the highest rated CB's in world football is a joke.
IMO he isn't the CB most fans think he is.
We're known for paying high wages and fees so agents like to leak our name and newspapers like to throw our name in because we generate the most clicks.
Spot on.
1) They are rated in relation to their age.
2) One of those two has missed about half the games this season.
3) A back three doesn't automatically mean you're a defensive team, infact Nagelsmann uses it with attacking purpose.
3) CBs alone don't make up a defense.
4) Leipzig are actually among the best teams in Europe in terms of goals conceded and xGA
I get they are related to their age, the way people talk about him is as if he is the finished article.
I get that he uses them attacking, look at the goals conceded against better teams. PSG, Bayern etc, the defence has not looked solid at all.
CB alone dont make up a defence, but it makes a big difference. Have a look at Liverpool with / Without VVD. They concede more chances.
The truth of the matter is we’ll never know how underrated, rated or overrated he is until he plays in our league. I thought Ruben Dias was overrated but he looks great at City. Some players suit some teams and leagues and others don’t.
It could also be that Dias looks great at City, but wouldn’t look great for Burnley. Or for us. I think the way City play is perfect for some players who wouldn’t fit in PL in general. They play Pep football, not PL football. If that makes sense?
still got another couple of years of making mistakes then really needs to push on, always feel he don't read the game well enough to ever be an elite CB, does have excellent recovery with his pace which gets him out of trouble quite a lot.
I think everyone is on the Konate train over Upamecano now, I just don’t see RB Leipzig selling both players in the summer and with Upamecano having a €42 million release clause in the summer I don’t think Konate leaves for anything less than £60-£70 million unfortunately.
This is not true and nitpicking to badmouth Upamecano. Halstenberg was marking the run of Weghorst and wasn't able to get close enough to him, to say Upamecano was at fault for that goal is distorting reality.
And those stats about playing with Konate is also nitpicking (all comps):
With Konate starting: P10 W6 D2 L2 (BL only: P5 W3 D2 L0)
Goals conceded: 17 (BL only: 5)
Without Konate: P14 W9 D3 L2 (BL only: P11 W6 D3 L2)
Goals conceded: 9 (BL only: 9)
Also important to consider that RB played also Gladbach, Dortmund and Leverkusen in the BL without Konate.
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The second tweet is from the 26th of October last year.
And I'm someone who has watched Upamecano and Konate regularly for the last two years. And Konate is the better prospect imo and that is a view shared by many pundits and journalists like Andy Brassel, Alex Chaffer, Januzs Michallik etc. Upamecano makes way too many mistakes and his awareness for a CB is poor and that weakness hasn't improved under Nagelsmann.
But the key stat here is that it was a partnership of Konate and Orban who finished the 2018/19 season with the best defensive record in the Bundesliga with only 29 goals conceded. And that was a improvement on the previous season where Leipzig conceded 53 goals without Konate being a regular. Leipzig haven't even come close to replicating the 2018/19 season defensively due to Konate being injured.
There's rumoured to be a buy out in his contract of about €40m plus according some reports in Germany and it's also reported that he wants a move to the Premier League and even changed agent to Englishman Jonathan Barnett to help him facilitate a move to England.
But the issue is his injury which could be the problem. But hopefully he can stay clear of injuries for the remainder of the season and then we shall see.
Oh, why post a tweet from over a year ago though
With regards to the journalists, Andy Brassel is certainly reliable but can't say the same of Januzs (from his days at ESPN FC). But anyways I'm not saying Konate isn't a great prospect but for me both are equal in terms of talent. I don't agree that Upamecano makes many mistakes, ocaasionally he does but he's still only just turned 22 and the upside in his potential is too much to ignore for me. Let's also not ignore that majority of the building up responsibility from the back is on Upamecano and therefore that also leads to some errors, which he can iron out with time.
The 18/19 season certainly was when Konate really showed his potential (I remember him being poor in his first season, playing in the EL mostly and I wasn't impressed then), but we have to remember it was under Ralf Rangnick and overall RB looked better under him than Hassenhutl's previous season. Upamecano also played part of that season before his injury.
He reminds me of Boateng at the same age, he too was making the occasional mistake for Hamburg but the talent was clear to see. I fear we're making the same mistake, unless we are planning for Konate, and Upamecano will go to Bayern and become a great CB for cheap.
Sorry Hassan for posting a old tweet, I hope you can forgive me bro..Oh, why post a tweet from over a year ago though
With regards to the journalists, Andy Brassel is certainly reliable but can't say the same of Januzs (from his days at ESPN FC). But anyways I'm not saying Konate isn't a great prospect but for me both are equal in terms of talent. I don't agree that Upamecano makes many mistakes, ocaasionally he does but he's still only just turned 22 and the upside in his potential is too much to ignore for me. Let's also not ignore that majority of the building up responsibility from the back is on Upamecano and therefore that also leads to some errors, which he can iron out with time.
The 18/19 season certainly was when Konate really showed his potential (I remember him being poor in his first season, playing in the EL mostly and I wasn't impressed then), but we have to remember it was under Ralf Rangnick and overall RB looked better under him than Hassenhutl's previous season. Upamecano also played part of that season before his injury.
He reminds me of Boateng at the same age, he too was making the occasional mistake for Hamburg but the talent was clear to see. I fear we're making the same mistake, unless we are planning for Konate, and Upamecano will go to Bayern and become a great CB for cheap.
Don't get me wrong I like Upamecano too and he has fantastic attributes and potential and I think he could really improve further as he matures as a CB. But I do hope we sign one of the two or else I hope we have a ace up our sleeves. But I'm gonna leave this decision in the capable of hands of our football men and hope they strike gold.
Like all the players we have strong links to he is massively overrated.
I have a deadly fear we'll sink £120m on Upamecano and someone like Rice this summer and basically not improve much, if at all.
Leicester replaced Maguire with frankly vastly superior CB signings (for the money but also arguably both longer term upgrades) in Soyuncu and Fofana. Leipzig already have a superior player to Upamecano in Konate, and I bet whoever they're bringing in to replace him also ends up improving them.
Our CB scouting has been absolutely shite given the £140m we've sunk into 3 players in the past few years and yet we're still forced to focus on the position. They should just drop whatever metrics they're using to evaluate and concentrate on pinching whoever Leicester are going after next.
I have a deadly fear we'll sink £120m on Upamecano and someone like Rice this summer and basically not improve much, if at all.
Leicester replaced Maguire with frankly vastly superior CB signings (for the money but also arguably both longer term upgrades) in Soyuncu and Fofana. Leipzig already have a superior player to Upamecano in Konate, and I bet whoever they're bringing in to replace him also ends up improving them.
Our CB scouting has been absolutely shite given the £140m we've sunk into 3 players in the past few years and yet we're still forced to focus on the position. They should just drop whatever metrics they're using to evaluate and concentrate on pinching whoever Leicester are going after next.
I don't like the way Bayern go about their business. They speak so publicly about other teams' players. Even teams they are competing with.
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Yikes, another of guardiolas hit and hope signings
Then you can't like the way Manchester United doing business either. Or do you believe the charade with Sancho in the summer was low radar mode and less public?
indeed. you can talk about it until the cows come home.
Well yes, find us all some quotes where Ole or Woodward name checked Sancho as a player they would try to sign
Did Ole or Woodward mention Sancho anywhere? Im waiting? Its a disgrace how Munich treat other german clubs!
The deal from what i've read will exceed 60 m with significant agent fees. It's not as straight forward a deal as it seems.
If he was in the PL our clubs would probably demand 80m.
It makes sense for Bayern to sign him due to their style of play where they look to dominate the ball and require players in the build up who are good on the ball and can break lines to a good level.
Seemed to me that it was Dortmund making all the noise about Sancho in the summer.
It was Romano, Falk and Fjortoft who were leading the charge tbh with you. And they were quite convieniently getting together and doing podcasts together too. The Dortmund press/media didn't say a lot.
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