Day 14: Mexico vs Sweden, South Korea vs Germany, Serbia vs Brazil, Switzerland vs Costa Rica

This is me calmed down. ... Bloody Freaking hell !!!!! Am so angry and disgusted - more so because Germany thoroughly deserved to go out. That starting line up today playing Ozil, Goretzka and Khedira for a pretty much must win game, no urgency through out? Not taking the one absolute game changer on his own in Sane - just ridiculous. Low has been a great till this tournament but, has definitely lost something over the last few months.
 
There's a large proportions of Germans who never liked Löw much and only started to accept him after 2014. He's always been very special with his formations and selections... There'll be plenty who see him going as an acceptable silver lining to all of this.

Yea, "special" is a very apt word.

Caf's obsession with age is insane. Your body doesn't decide oh you're 30, you're going to lose your legs now. It's about motivation and effort, plenty of players fade away in their mid 20s while plenty of players do well in their 30s.

That's true. If you look at that batch from 2009 of Muller, Ozil, Hummels, Boateng, Khedira, Neuer, Howedes, they won almost everything there is to win by their mid 20's so the motivation to succeed maybe did go, though there is no doubting their abilities have declined as well with injuries.
 
It’s not surprising at all. Our tactics under Hamrén were hoofing it up to Zlatan. Hamrén was basically Zlatan’s bitch on and off the pitch. Janne Andersson is a hard mf, he would never let Zlatan have that role. It’s not Zlatan’s fault, it’s down to the manager. This Swedish team is the best we have had for a very long time.
If we had a good striker we'd win the WC, no doubt in my mind.
 
My issue before the tournament was the central midfield. I felt with Kroos in there you needed another player in midfield. When i saw the lineup today i thought good move but apparently Goretzka played RW?
YES! I STILL CANNOT COMPREHEND THIS

And then he finally takes of Khedira to move Goretzka to DM, only to sub him off less than 10 minutes later. Unbelievable
 
More penalties than in any other WC, probably due to VAR. I think it's great both because it's makes the game more 'true', but also it creates more goals.

Happens too often that penalties aren't given. Now they just need to agree on what handball mean.
 
Yawn. Sane would have been pointless in this team as well, Problem wasn’t the players. Don’t be some stupid City fanboy now.
Are you going to call everyone a stupid City fan boy that felt Sané should’ve gone? Bore off.
 
It seems like complete tosh but I think there might be something true about strikers getting a bit worse after 30. Does seem that way in the Prem at least.

But with the Caf it's never actually about strikers so it's kind of a moot point.
Strikers are the star players so there's more chance of them losing motivation earlier, but that doesn't mean their bodies suddenly decide to be crap.
 
How do you mute on mobile? Some ballache posters on this forum lately.
 
It seems like complete tosh but I think there might be something true about strikers getting a bit worse after 30. Does seem that way in the Prem at least.

But with the Caf it's never actually about strikers so it's kind of a moot point.

World Cup winners usually have an average age around 26.
 
Wait Argentina is not taking out France?? Messi.. Messiah and all

WArgentina and Messi might just suddenly kick in and find their mojo in the next round. If I remember well, there were a few times in the past when it looked like Italy and Germany 'struggled' through the group stages and then suddenly became very dangerous in the KO stages. I think Spain had a similar experience in 2010 before going ahead to win it. Portugal barely got out of their group in Euro 2016, yet they won the trophy (1-1 with Iceland, 0-0 with Austria, 3-3 with Hungary). These tournaments can be strange at times.
 
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It’s not surprising at all. Our tactics under Hamrén were hoofing it up to Zlatan. Hamrén was basically Zlatan’s bitch on and off the pitch. Janne Andersson is a hard mf, he would never let Zlatan have that role. It’s not Zlatan’s fault, it’s down to the manager. This Swedish team is the best we have had for a very long time.
The best Swedish team I watched was the one at USA 94. Ravelli, Schwarz, Thern, Brolin, Dahlin, Kenneth Andersson, Henrik Larsson on the bench, not sure if Bjorklund also was part of the team.
 
It’s not surprising at all. Our tactics under Hamrén were hoofing it up to Zlatan. Hamrén was basically Zlatan’s bitch on and off the pitch. Janne Andersson is a hard mf, he would never let Zlatan have that role. It’s not Zlatan’s fault, it’s down to the manager. This Swedish team is the best we have had for a very long time.
That's why he said unsurprisingly. :p

I'd still want him on the bench in the playoffs since chasing a goal with Berg and Toivonen is like a dog chasing its own tail. However, bringing Zlatan back might well have changed the mentality of the team, and we're maybe better off not having a wild card.
 
Strikers are the star players so there's more chance of them losing motivation earlier, but that doesn't mean their bodies suddenly decide to be crap.

I think you're right about motivation. The only reason I mentioned it was because somebody once posted a bunch of stats how Prem strikers tend to get worse after they 30. It referred to how the likes of Torres and Van Persie really fell off the radar once they hit that age. Obviously it doesn't happen to all because Glenn Murray, Vardy and Defoe wouldn't still be around if that were the case. However, I guess the point is that they do seem to become lesser players than they would have been in the past, which is largely why nobody wants to buy strikers over the age of 30. I don't think it applies anywhere near as much to defenders and midfielders who rely far more on technical ability.
 
The best Swedish team I watched was the one at USA 94. Ravelli, Schwarz, Thern, Brolin, Dahlin, Kenneth Andersson, Henrik Larsson on the bench, not sure if Bjorklund also was part of the team.
Joachim Björklund and Patrik Andersson were the giants in the middle of defence. We're light years away from that team, and we won't have such an easy run to the semis (Saudi Arabia & Romania). Hopefully we can get Switzerland, then England. ;)
 
Neur and De Gea have certainly given us a spectacle at this World Cup.
 
Are you going to call everyone a stupid City fan boy that felt Sané should’ve gone? Bore off.

It’s just such a dumb argument. „One horse league yadah yadah“. Bullshit. That one horse league did very well in Europe the past 8 years, the NT even better. Anyone looking at this and thinking „Sane would have changed this“ is just delusional. The team that won the Confed Cup last year stoked clear this group comfortably.
 
Joachim Björklund and Patrik Andersson were the giants in the middle of defence. We're light years away from that team, and we won't have such an easy run to the semis (Saudi Arabia & Romania). Hopefully we can get Switzerland, then England. ;)
It had to be, followed with attention Sweden because Sven Goran worked with Benfica, so always remember Thern, Schwarz and Mats Magnusson, even if I hate their club.
 
You'll be surprised. Argentina and Messi might just suddenly kick in and find their mojo in the next round. If I remember well, there were a few times in the past when it looked like Italy and Germany 'struggled' through the group stages and then suddenly became very dangerous in the KO stages. I think Spain had a similar experience in 2010 before going ahead to win it. Portugal barely got out of their group in Euro 2016, yet they won the trophy (1-1 with Iceland, 0-0 with Austria, 3-3 with Hungary). These tournaments can be strange at times.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is an easy win for Argentina. France for all their talent are playing very average. Besides it is a one-off match. Doesn't really matter who has a better team on paper.
 
I think you're right about motivation. The only reason I mentioned it was because somebody once posted a bunch of stats how Prem strikers tend to get worse after they 30. It referred to how the likes of Torres and Van Persie really fell off the radar once they hit that age. Obviously it doesn't happen to all because Glenn Murray, Vardy and Defoe wouldn't still be around if that were the case. However, I guess the point is that they do seem to become lesser players than they would have been in the past, which is largely why nobody wants to buy strikers over the age of 30. I don't think it applies anywhere near as much to defenders and midfielders who rely far more on technical ability.
Torres won Euros in 2008, WC in 2010, and CL in 2012 so his motivation was like going to take a hit. Van Persie also when he finally won the PL after almost a decade in the league and get the monkey off his back, and he never had pace to lose in the first place. They also both suffered from injures throughout their careers. And most clubs don't want to buy players of all positions over 30 unless there's a need for experience/leadership or if they're very cheap.
 
Another United player has qualified for R16.
Imagine the scene if Zlatan was still around :D.
 
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Brazil are going to struggle again imo. Stuck Firmino on the bench again. :nono:

I think this is the optimal conditions for Brazil. Serbia needs to win, so more space for Neymar and co. Can't tell who is better (or worse) of Firmino/Jesus right now. Firmino's been a bit wasteful with chances too.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it is an easy win for Argentina. France for all their talent are playing very average. Besides it is a one-off match. Doesn't really matter who has a better team on paper.
Mark my words France will go home Saturday if they don't improve their level.
 
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They said they went out at the first stage in 1938

Yep went out in the first round against Switzerland without winning a single game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_FIFA_World_Cup
This is still the worst World Cup. Anyone can lose in a 1-of game. Germany had three games to qualify as favorites. They're first team and squad is stronger on paper than all of the other three combined.
 
Serbia are being massively underrated here. Brazil struggled v Switzerland and Costa Rica, and Serbia are probably better organised than both and also possess more creative players. I would not be one bit surprised if Serbia manage the win tonight.
 
Was the hot weather a big problem for German team? They looked like they were a step slower than needed throughout the group stage.