Day 1 | Germany vs Scotland

Insanity said:
From what I saw in the highlights on YT, it looked he got the ball first. I need to find better highlights then.

What about the rest?
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Both Wirtz and Musiala were also to be found on the wings, with Kimmich also foraging on the right wing at times. I'd say our attack was highly variable yesterday and not notably narrow.
Regarding the high defensive line the game against Scotland isn't great for drawing conclusions, given how most field players were in or near the Scottish half most of the time and the Scots didn't really get to counter. We won't meet too many opponents with that profile and i expect our play to be different against more attack minded opposition.
 
Insanity said:
- From the brief highlights I saw, it didn't look a red and pen to me. Was it a wrong call or did other angles it was clear cut?
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It was one of the clearest red cards I've seen in recent years. Doesn't matter whether or not he hits the ball fist if he connects like this with the shin of his opponent. Gündogan was lucky the Scottish player didn't snap his leg. That he moves his left leg like this with open studs in particular is also completely unnecessary because he approaches the ball with the other foot. I believe it was clumsy and not intentional but in general, this is how you move when you want to make a nasty and intentional tackle look as if you just wanted to play the ball.
 
Insanity said:
From what I saw in the highlights on YT, it looked he got the ball first. I need to find better highlights then.

What about the rest?
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I doesn't matter much if he got the ball, both feet in the air and tackling a player with both simply is a red for reckless play.

But it didn't really look intentional, more like a desperate last ditch effort. So clumsy, not evil I'd say.
 
The red card was simply the case of the changing rules around tackles and how 'getting the ball first' is no longer a get out of jail card for fouls. Andrich's yellow was the same, he also got the ball first but the tackle was still considered reckless and therefore he was given a yellow. It's too the interpretation of the ref.

Both tackles wouldn't have been considered fouls up until the 2010's
 
hasanejaz88 said:
The red card was simply the case of the changing rules around tackles and how 'getting the ball first' is no longer a get out of jail card for fouls. Andrich's yellow was the same, he also got the ball first but the tackle was still considered reckless and therefore he was given a yellow. It's too the interpretation of the ref.

Both tackles wouldn't have been considered fouls up until the 2010's
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What?!
 
No, the penalty was penalty and red card 30 years ago too. They started to crack down on that kind of shit in the 90s

Genuine potential leg breaker
 
Zehner said:
That foul is harmless compared to the red card yesterday.
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What. Get new eyes.

Thatcher on Mendes was near as bad as Schumacher on Battiston, with nearly as catastrophic consequences

It was the most utterly insane, unhinged foul in PL history. Like it should have had criminal consequences for Thatcher(who had form for being an utterly insane maniac)
 
giorno said:
What. Get new eyes.

Thatcher on Mendes was near as bad as Schumacher on Battiston, with nearly as catastrophic consequences

It was the most utterly insane, unhinged foul in PL history. Like it should have had criminal consequences for Thatcher(who had form for being an utterly insane maniac)
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Yeah I should, didn't see how hard he hit him with the elbow to the face. Anyway, the same seems to go for the referee who only gave him a yellow. I just read his own club suspended him for six matches so this is hardly a case of different standards 20 years ago. The challenge on Gündogan was one Goikoetxea would have been proud of.
 
B. Munich said:
I actually prefer the EC over the world cup. Higher quality teams overall.
An EC with Brazil and Argentina as honorable participants would top it of course.
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But most of the time the amount of good European teams that don't qualify for the world cup (since 98) is barely more than one or two...and a lot of the second-tier ones that do qualify consistently stink the place out with performances that are often no better than the unfancied teams from other confederations.

The World Cup since the 90s IS basically an all of the good European teams + Brazil and Argentina and a bunch of other solid teams super-tournament.
 
B. Munich said:
I actually prefer the EC over the world cup. Higher quality teams overall.
An EC with Brazil and Argentina as honorable participants would top it of course.
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Best of Europe isn’t higher quality than best of the world. South America (and Africa and Asia) has a lot of good teams and Europe has a lot of trash.

But I meant more in terms of relevance - Euro and Copa are important but are dwarfed in this regard by the WC.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Best of Europe isn’t higher quality than best of the world. South America (and Africa and Asia) has a lot of good teams and Europe has a lot of trash.

But I meant more in terms of relevance - Euro and Copa are important but are dwarfed in this regard by the WC.
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The WC is the best competition but overall level of the Euros is the best continental competition.

Or to put it in other way, the teams who will reach the last 8 of the Euros in theory are slightly better than the overall level of the last 8 at Copa America, even if I look at Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia and they could easily compete for the Euro title, no doubt about that.

Don’t think the overall level in Africa or Asia is the same, at least if we look to the last 8 who reach those competitions.

But yeah no debate the WC is the best, the Euros was suited to be a high level competition with 16 teams, 24 teams is too much, and I don’t agree with the premise the WC is the Euros + Brazil and Argentina.

Could be true perhaps until 2004, not this days, I don’t even think the overall level of European NT’s is better than it was in 2004, even if football is more globalised.

A lot of things said to in the end agreeing with you the WC is the top competition on the planet , but I fear 32 teams was the perfect number, if anything the 24 teams in the Euros showed is that more teams is not the same as more quality.

By the way forgot to mention the USA for this Copa America, let’s see what they can do against the top teams of South America.
 
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