Can7onA
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Feck Moyes and feck West Ham
Did you miss this thread? At least we won the FA Cup under LVG and went into games against the top 6 thinking we could get a result (including winning at Anfield). Moyes took the champions to 7th. Fergie may have overachieved with us in the end but with investment the successor should have done better than Moyes did. Instead he pursued unrealistic targets, ended up signing his former player for more than we could have spent for him, demoralised the squad and took us into all away games against the top 6 feeling the game was lost before it even started.
I agree with @finndt to a certain extent. The level of anti-Moyes on here does surprise me. He did a very good job at Everton, ok they were never going to win the league under him but they were one of the most stable clubs in the division and with their lack of resources that's all they could ever ask for. He did also take them to the Champions League and look at the situation they're in now, having spent all that money too.
He then took over arguably the most difficult job that's ever become available in club football, replacing SAF after 26 years and more trophies than you and I have had hot dinners. I genuinely think that he took us to such a high level that whoever took the job on was always going to struggle in their first season. You also refer to Fellaini however he seems to be considered an important player by our current manager.
Then he had the courage to take a job in a foreign country which not many managers would be brave enough to do, and it didn't quite work out.
As for Sunderland, they've been a mess for years now and as with Everton, and they've just hounded out another manager while they sit bottom of the Championship. Fans there think they should be in Europe.
He's now put himself in the firing line again and it will be interesting to see how he gets on but whatever happens he was manager at United and whether people liked him in the role or not I think he deserves respect from the fans.
You say he took on the most difficult job ever to become available. On one hand, I get what you mean. On the other, is taking charge of a team that had won the league the previous year at a canter really that?I agree with @finndt to a certain extent. The level of anti-Moyes on here does surprise me. He did a very good job at Everton, ok they were never going to win the league under him but they were one of the most stable clubs in the division and with their lack of resources that's all they could ever ask for. He did also take them to the Champions League and look at the situation they're in now, having spent all that money too.
He then took over arguably the most difficult job that's ever become available in club football, replacing SAF after 26 years and more trophies than you and I have had hot dinners. I genuinely think that he took us to such a high level that whoever took the job on was always going to struggle in their first season. You also refer to Fellaini however he seems to be considered an important player by our current manager.
Then he had the courage to take a job in a foreign country which not many managers would be brave enough to do, and it didn't quite work out.
As for Sunderland, they've been a mess for years now and as with Everton, and they've just hounded out another manager while they sit bottom of the Championship. Fans there think they should be in Europe.
He's now put himself in the firing line again and it will be interesting to see how he gets on but whatever happens he was manager at United and whether people liked him in the role or not I think he deserves respect from the fans.
"Knees Up Mother Brown" is a 'song' they sing.
There'd be a bit more sympathy if he hadn't kept on complaining about it at every job since. I used to share a similar view to you when he was sacked, about it being a tough job but his constant complaints since has irritated me.I agree with @finndt to a certain extent. The level of anti-Moyes on here does surprise me. He did a very good job at Everton, ok they were never going to win the league under him but they were one of the most stable clubs in the division and with their lack of resources that's all they could ever ask for. He did also take them to the Champions League and look at the situation they're in now, having spent all that money too.
He then took over arguably the most difficult job that's ever become available in club football, replacing SAF after 26 years and more trophies than you and I have had hot dinners. I genuinely think that he took us to such a high level that whoever took the job on was always going to struggle in their first season. You also refer to Fellaini however he seems to be considered an important player by our current manager.
Then he had the courage to take a job in a foreign country which not many managers would be brave enough to do, and it didn't quite work out.
As for Sunderland, they've been a mess for years now and as with Everton, and they've just hounded out another manager while they sit bottom of the Championship. Fans there think they should be in Europe.
He's now put himself in the firing line again and it will be interesting to see how he gets on but whatever happens he was manager at United and whether people liked him in the role or not I think he deserves respect from the fans.
There'd be a bit more sympathy if he hadn't kept on complaining about it at every job since. I used to share a similar view to you when he was sacked, about it being a tough job but his constant complaints since has irritated me.
Ah, yes. That too.That and the bit about slapping the female journalist eroded whatever sympathy I had for the guy too (and I did have some sympathy, on the basis that I also think the United job was a poisoned chalice)
I'm not sure I agree that it was, but he sure as hell made it one by sacking the hugely successful backroom staff and replacing them with the trophyless Everton Clampett Family.That and the bit about slapping the female journalist eroded whatever sympathy I had for the guy too (and I did have some sympathy, on the basis that I also think the United job was a poisoned chalice)
He's been a failure at three clubs since Everton. Real Socieded were a decent club with decent players (and are once again now he's gone) and they were heading towards relegation under his watch. Here's a post by a season ticket holder on the West Ham forum.
He made no effort to learn anything about La Liga, the language, the city, didn't know who his own players were, often stubbornly playing players out of position because he mixed them up. He had a really dreadful relationship with his players and training staff. Even the office staff hated him almost as much as the playing and coaching staff did
Did he get a proper chance at Sociedad? Did he get a proper chance at Sunderland?
He's either extremely unlucky at not getting proper chances, or he's actually, you know, completely shit .
Did you miss this thread? At least we won the FA Cup under LVG and went into games against the top 6 thinking we could get a result (including winning at Anfield). Moyes took the champions to 7th. Fergie may have overachieved with us in the end but with investment the successor should have done better than Moyes did. Instead he pursued unrealistic targets, ended up signing his former player for more than we could have spent for him, demoralised the squad and took us into all away games against the top 6 feeling the game was lost before it even started.
An actual quote from West Ham's official statement.
Yeah, 'cause that's what everyone remembers about his 10 months here.
So he isn't going to be West Ham's manager he is going to direct a porn film for Sullivan?Sullivan: "He is highly regarded and respected within the game and will bring fresh ideas, organisation and enthusiasm."
Builder mate of mine just popped round to drop some tools off, hes a full on Hammer and a season ticket holder. I just told him theyve hired Moyes and his reaction went something like this:
Mouth opened
Face dropped
Said 'are you fecking winding me up??'
Showed him this site
Sat down and buried his head in his arms on the table.
Didnt get up for 2 minutes.
Says it all.
Never have I wanted a team to get relegated more than West Ham. And it's not even that I have an issue with Moyesy. It's simply the fact that this has been a complete clusterfeck from the very beginning. What a hopeless club. Shit board, shit stadium, and now shit manager.
Hatred Moyes gets here is crazy. And only reason behind it is the impossible job with us. Taking over a pretty poor squad after a legend of a manager was able to overachieve with it. He was never gonna get it right. Why LVG isn't getting more stick. He did nothing except squandered millions of pounds.
Im glad he's gone but i agree with him in one thing, he didn't get a proper chance.
Absolutely. I still cant believe people havent realised this. Had he left and let it go i'm sure we wouldnt even talk about him. But its the constant stream of "poor me" he used to spill that generated this resentment.If he'd just been a shit manager it wouldn't have been so bad. I think people would have felt a bit sorry for a man clearly well out of his depth getting humiliated every week.
It's the fact he's complained over and over, even when employed by different clubs, about how unfair his sacking was. He's such an arrogant man.
That's what has really annoyed people.
There's newbies still fishing for likes by sticking up for Moyes i see.
Does that still work?