Not many here anymore agreed, though I argued with someone lately that his time at Sociedad was bad and was told 'look where they were before he joined'.
In the media he is still held in high regard for some reason.
David Moyes West Ham Manager | Gone (pedantic sod Sarni)
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In the media he is still held in high regard for some reason.
Ah. Yes. Fair point.
Was it Moyes fault Lanzini missed the penalty or Hart takes down the striker? These players are the cause of the issue they have already got a manager the sack all I am saying is Managers need time. All this criticism after 3 games is madness all because he tried and failed at United. I think people need to grow up.
That's his biggest problem, he's still clearly hurt by his complete and utter failure at United. It feeds into all the negative and destructive nonsense he spouts on a regular basis, players clearly don't want play for him. He actually has a negative effect, usually teams get a new manager bounce for a few weeks.
After the United job he should have swallowed his pride held his hands up and admitted he fecked up, took a break to re-evaluate and update his skill set before returning for a fresh start somewhere. Instead he did the complete opposite, refuses to accept blame for anything and doubled down on his old methods which are clearly out of date.
Moyes has no problem taking credit for his teams successes so he has to also take blame for their failures. So yes it is at the very least partially his fault.
He gets stick on here for his comments and attitude over the last 4 years, not for 3 games at West Ham and certainly not for failing at United. Van Gaal failed at United also is he as disliked as Moyes, no he is not. Care to speculate as to why?
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I personally disliked LvG more than Moyes. This probably due to Moyes' endorsement by Sir Alex, and then the realisation soon set in he was just not good enough to be coaching United. LvG was Donald Trump of football. A high regard of himself. He could do no wrong.
West Ham did not lose the game because of two incidents, they lost 4 fecking nil to a team that barely won a game during last two months. They were pure shite and it's his fault.
Thats fair enough mate, Van Gaal had his faults. His football was a chore and he was a bit of a loon. But among United fans he isn't nearly as disliked as Moyes from my experience.
There was a poll on here two years ago that was like 85-90% in favour of Moyes being worse than Van Gaal. A landslide like that was telling as Van Gaal was still in the job at the time and putting people to sleep with dismal football on a weekly basis.
That describes Moyes to a T as well.
This is absolutely what he should have done and it would have regained him loads of respecting in the footballing world.
No shame in failing at one of the toughest jobs in management but he insisted on blaming it on everyone but himself, and kept this up at every club he's been to since.
He hasn't been helped by all his enabling journalist and pundit pals who stick by him no matter what.
It describes nearly all managers. To do the job you have to believe in yourself to the point of delusion.
Can't believe the stick he's getting in here. Three games. Let it go lads. Go outside, breathe in some air.
Moyes is already way past that point to be fair.
Obviously, for some unfathomable reason, he still has. How else does he still keep pulling up multi million pound jobs?
Yeah possibly.
However I'm yet to see a manager get sacked and say "Yeah fair enough. I was a bit shit."
It doesn't happen, with Moyes or anybody else. They all get very defensive about themselves. They even get defensive when other managers get sacked (unless it opens up a spot for them).
Realisation? So why in every interview since then Moyes has said he needed more time blah blah. Nobody could have done a better job than him after Fergie. He is such a pathetic man. This is why everyone on here still talks about Moyes whilst there is rarely a mention about LVG.
Atleast Van Gaal for most of the time has kept his trap shut. He also only said how his sacking could have been dealt in a better way. Which is totally understandable as finding out few hours after winning a cup wasn’t the best way.
I think Sults meant the realization kicked in to Sults, not Moyes. Clearly not Moyesiah
Another thread turning into the Van Gaal v Moyes debate. People just have to agree to disagree and just move on. Good riddance to the both of them! The advice that Moyes gave to Usworth was quite ironic though. He really does need to keep his mouth shut and let his football do the talking!
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That's the last thing he should do.
I have no problem with constructive criticism, but that isnt.
Also, me hating Moyes is of no relevance to his performance.
There's no possible about it mate, he's full blown delusional. He thinks his time at Sociedad was a success and says if given his time at United over he would do everything exactly the same, even though he knows that would lead to failure again.
Yeah I can't argue with that but they're all the same. You think Mourinho blames himself for his final season at Chelsea? Not one bit I'd imagine.
Just seems unfair to single out Moyes for a characteristic nearly all managers have.
Implicitly they accept that by keeping quiet, and move on.
Not many manager blabbering excuses when they're sacked. Probably when they're still in the job, but when the axe finally falls they just move on with their lives. And we've seen many better manager got axed for much less.
Luxemburgl fired after winning the champions league, di matteo, etc. They didn't cry foul in the media even when they have a better case to be bitter. Moyes failed miserably and still managed to think he's being hard done.
Feck him
Just soooooooo bad. Shows no sign of improvement anywhere. When will he start turning everything around and prove all the haters wrong? never i guess
Agree he should refuse to answer anymore United questions but if you think any manager accepts being sacked after 8 months I'd say think again. They will all think they've been wronged.
He was awful at united but I don't hold that against him, I take genuine offense at the person he has become since - this deluded guy that still believes he should be managing at the highest level but shouldn't be getting anywhere near a PL job.
He's become a symbol of what I hate in football - earning millions despite a terrible track record. Outdated, overpaid and most importantly; blocking younger managers from potentially getting top jobs.
He genuinely doesn't know what he is doing.
Do you want him to turn down highly paid Premier League jobs? Apart from making offended(Really?) fans feel better i cant think why he'd do that.
Looking at their next three fixtures he may be gone by January
Man City away
Chelsea home
Arsenal home
Man City away
Chelsea home
Arsenal home
Of course I don't expect him to turn them down, those big pay days are the norm for him now. More the issue that he's even in the frame. That part is football's fault not his - that's why I said he's become a symbol of what I hate in football.
And yes, he does offend me - I've never seen him act humble despite a glaringly bad recent CV.
He can't lift a team, I've no idea what Gold and Sullivan were thinking.
How long before he starts blaming everything other than himself?
How long before he starts blaming everything other than himself?
Gone by Christmas/NYD, I reckon. One of the most irresponsible appointments in recent memory - if your team is facing a relegation battle, you do NOT hire a man incapable of motivating and rallying players.
Formerly KidCunto. Although he was no fan of Moyes but actually entirely the opposite and was one of his earliest and most vocal critics on the Caf. So much so that Moses felt he was going way overboard and changed his name to KidMoyes in order to teach him a lesson of sorts. Turns out it was a misguided attempt at discipline as near everyone ended up in unequivocal agreement that the Moyes appointment was an utter trainwreck.
Don't think Moyes can get more than 5 points in december tbh.
Kid Kanto I believe ya
, unless they changed his name from cunto>kanto>moyes.He hardly posts anymore, shame, I quite enjoyed his stuff.
Where'd you find that?
This Moyes hate debate is getting old. Every page of this thread has posters rightfully berating him, and others not understanding where the hate comes from..
Read up your Moyes quotes and the apologists don't need to ask why he's generating "hate" every 5th post. This thread is for laughing at him, that he's useless and deluded are old news. I'd like to enjoy that, especially now that we can't laugh at City or Liverpool for a couple of days.
Read up your Moyes quotes and the apologists don't need to ask why he's generating "hate" every 5th post. This thread is for laughing at him, that he's useless and deluded are old news. I'd like to enjoy that, especially now that we can't laugh at City or Liverpool for a couple of days.
If he loses all of the next 3 matches (vs City, Arsenal and Chelsea), that will be just 1 point from his first 15. West Ham might have to sack him after that ...
Bless him, he saw positive signs and improvement in a 4:0 defeat.
Kid Kanto I believe ya
He hardly posts anymore, shame, I quite enjoyed his stuff.
Yeah, I'd actually forgotten it was indeed Kanto first before re-christened Cunto. I guess the mods must really have had it in for him with all these names changes.