David Gill Transfer warchest v2012

Everyone moans about us not signing the best players around, but that's not what we do. We get talent or just plain old good players who we believe can make the step up.

Did anyone expect Carrick, Valencia or Smalling to be so good here when we got them? I certainly didn't.
 
Presumably that if someone is on extortionate wages compared to another player despite not really being much better than them, or better at all.

Tevez makes £250-300k a week(if it hasn't increased because of winning the title) while their most important player Vincent Kompany's new deal is apparently only £120k. I'm not sure how I would handle that if I were Kompany. You've been the pivotal part of the team for the past several years and are one of the best players at your position in the world and are being paid less than some lazy cnut who doesn't show up but 3 months a season. :lol:
 
Everyone moans about us not signing the best players around, but that's not what we do. We get talent or just plain old good players who we believe can make the step up.

Did anyone expect Carrick, Valencia or Smalling to be so good here when we got them? I certainly didn't.

I did.
 
Tevez makes £250-300k a week(if it hasn't increased because of winning the title) while their most important player Vincent Kompany's new deal is apparently only £120k. I'm not sure how I would handle that if I were Kompany. You've been the pivotal part of the team for the past several years and are one of the best players at your position in the world and are being paid less than some lazy cnut who doesn't show up but 3 months a season. :lol:

Probably quite well as you aren't an utter cunthead.
 
Everyone moans about us not signing the best players around, but that's not what we do. We get talent or just plain old good players who we believe can make the step up.

Did anyone expect Carrick, Valencia or Smalling to be so good here when we got them? I certainly didn't.

He is a very good case in point. Admittedly, I'd only ever seen him play when he played against us and even then, I was not looking out for him so did not notice him. And so I was 'underwhelmed' when the rumors started and he eventually signed for us. However, the speed with which he has upped the gears to a higher level of consistent performance has been amazing, and to see him 'adjust to the United way' literally week by week, so that by the end of last season, not only was he performing 100% better than when he joined, bJut also was completely in sync with the needs of the team has been joy to observe.

Carrick came with higher credentials but followed a similar trajectory. Vidic, Evra, and at a more delayed pace, Nani demonstrated similar journeys. And I expect the same of Jones, Hernandez, Young, de Gea, Smalling, Fabio and Rafael. Of course, the likes of Evans and Welbeck already have the club philosophy ground into them as did Fletcher.

Put simply, more often than not, the club has an amazing ability at spotting latent emerging talent with the right personality and values. And when we get these sorts of players into the club, from the first day the culture and atmosphere of the club, the influence of senior players and the University of Carrington all kicks in union and 'factory like' produces 'Manchester United' players.

Thats a lot of the enjoyment and satisfaction I get from following our club. I like seeing a player develop and fulfill his talent over time. I don't think I'd enjoy as fully developed players like Kaka or Van Persie joining as much.

Thats not to say Im adverse to a fully developed player joining; by definition, not all planning can be successful and then you have the uncontrollable boomerangs like Fletcher getting a limiting medical condition or Ronaldo leaving for a world record fee. So you do sometimes need instant solutions.

But as was pointed out above, in the summer of 2007, Chavski, already having won the league 2 years on the trot and having a fearsome side who had just broken the PL points in a season record, then strengthened that squad with Shevchenko, Ballack, Ashley Cole and Obi Mikel .... while we bought only Michael Carrick .... and we ended up winning the league comfortably by 6 points. And that was because SAF had built a team of young players centered around Ferdinand, Vidic, Ronaldo & Rooney and the planning all came together perfectly to form the basis of probably SAFs most successful and strongest team over the next 3 years til 2011.

I'd rather we do that now, and am confident we have the basis of a very strong team for the next 5 years, its just one more year away and 2 new players for the jigsaw to fully cement itself together, much like 2007/8.
 
Surely when/if United are trying to sign a player, that in itself should suggest to said player that the club is trying to improve?

You make it sound like the squad and current players are rubbish, with your last lne!

Depends how seriously they're trying for players in terms of fee's/salaries.

I think the current sqaud is average by United standards over the last twenty years, and that issues need to be addressed - as would be expected when players like Scholes, Giggs and Ferdinand reach the end of their playing days. I think its a challenge the club hasn't faced for a long time.
 
Depends how seriously they're trying for players in terms of fee's/salaries.

I think the current sqaud is average by United standards over the last twenty years, and that issues need to be addressed - as would be expected when players like Scholes, Giggs and Ferdinand reach the end of their playing days. I think its a challenge the club hasn't faced for a long time.

Is today's squad more average than the one we had around 2005?

United and other top clubs are always faced with similar challenges.
 
Is today's squad more average than the one we had around 2005?

United and other top clubs are always faced with similar challenges.

Definitely not.

Our squad isnt that bad this year, the 1 back in 2005, probably only 3 players would get into this team. (giggs/scholes/neville)
 
I do not see how this present squad can be said to be average to be honest. we have still got World class attacker(Rooney), defender(Vida), with some of the best wide men on the planet. Add to that the potential of DDG, Smalling, Jones, The twins all bolsterd by class players such as carrick, Scholsey etc.

The younger players are a year older, so will be that bit better next year, add to this any additions we make close season and, hopefully, Fletch, Clev and Ando back to full fitness and our squad in no where near as bad as some try and make out, IF we get all our players back.
 
Really? Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Fletcher etc. were all in that team. Just a bit inexperienced.

Perhaps but at the time, current rooney over 18 year old rooney? no competition.

19 year old ronaldo v nani / valencia? tough call of course could go either way.

Ferdinand yes, fletcher no
 

Me too tbh, I had seen 2 of them put in consistently high quality performances for their clubs, and Smalling was very impressive in the under 21's every time i saw him. Consistent quality is usually enough for me to imagine them doing similarly here. Same with Young, we knew he was a very good player already, and tbh i don't know why so many people feel these players won't make it here.

Also i don't know where this myth comes from that we have only ever bought youth. We may not often go for the world's top stars, but we buy our fair share of established players.

Vidic, Evra, Park, Valencia, Young, Tevez, Carrick, Hargreaves, Berbatov, Saha. None of those are untested youth. They were all established players when we signed them. Fergie has always signed established players far more than youth. That is a fairly recent phenomenon, probably only in the past 6/7 years. Iirc Rooney was the first teenager Fergie had ever signed for us.
 
Is today's squad more average than the one we had around 2005?

United and other top clubs are always faced with similar challenges.

Frankly yes. Giggs, Scholes and Rio years younger, Neville at full back. For me a better side.
 
London is seen throughout the world as one of most attractive places to live on the planet. Being a millionaire there is as good as it gets.

Unfortunately, Manchester does not have such attraction even though it is a good place to live imo.

Dont know why, the place is a hole.
 
Yeh, the richest city on Earth and only one of two alpha plus plus cities in the world (the other being New York). A real hole.
 
Me too tbh, I had seen 2 of them put in consistently high quality performances for their clubs, and Smalling was very impressive in the under 21's every time i saw him. Consistent quality is usually enough for me to imagine them doing similarly here. Same with Young, we knew he was a very good player already, and tbh i don't know why so many people feel these players won't make it here.

Also i don't know where this myth comes from that we have only ever bought youth. We may not often go for the world's top stars, but we buy our fair share of established players.

Vidic, Evra, Park, Valencia, Young, Tevez, Carrick, Hargreaves, Berbatov, Saha. None of those are untested youth. They were all established players when we signed them. Fergie has always signed established players far more than youth. That is a fairly recent phenomenon, probably only in the past 6/7 years. Iirc Rooney was the first teenager Fergie had ever signed for us.

Lee Sharpe
 
So looks like warchest isn't going to be all that big after reading financial report, aa it looks like the chosen people have f*cked off with all the money! Who'd have thought it :devil:
 
That Gill has to say every year that we can compete for top players and the fact that the fans have very little faith in us seemingly being able to do so DESPITE United being the most popular sports club on earth says a lot about our transfer activity in the last six years.

Actions are what we need. A signing that makes everyone exciting from the fans to the players.
 
That Gill has to say every year that we can compete for top players and the fact that the fans have very little faith in us seemingly being able to do so DESPITE United being the most popular sports club on earth says a lot about our transfer activity in the last six years.

Actions are what we need. A signing that makes everyone exciting from the fans to the players.

Agreed. We need to improve in Europe and it's not going to be easy without a world class players.

United doesn't require very big numbers of transfers but players, we're signing need to represent a certain level of improvement.

I believe, soon, we'll have a factual picture, how much of a value, Gill's words are.
 
:lol: Had to go a way back for that one though, which sort of supports my point!

Initially we nearly always signed talented, already established players, and only really in the last 6 years or so, do we see much more emphasis placed upon signing youth.

Erik Nevland, Jonathan Greening, Kieran Richardson, Ronaldo, Bellion, ... - all at least 8 years ago.
 
That Gill has to say every year that we can compete for top players and the fact that the fans have very little faith in us seemingly being able to do so DESPITE United being the most popular sports club on earth says a lot about our transfer activity in the last six years.

Actions are what we need. A signing that makes everyone exciting from the fans to the players.

You need big name signings to get excited about United?
 
We don't often need a big name signing. We have the foundation of a great team already - plenty of youngsters coming through etc. the one area we are lacking is (shock horror) central midfield. Given our strength in other areas etc, we shouldn't be scared to spend big to get in a top quality CM.

Smilarly a big signing will lift the mood around the club too. It will show that we are still competitive in the transfer market and show a genuine improvement in our side for next season. I was shocked we didn't sign a CM last summer and went into this season a little concerned over that, there is no doubt that a big name signing would make a real statement to City and all the rest.
 
i cant believe people are asking about this side compared to 2005. this side is a couple of signings short of being our best in a long time.
 
So looks like warchest isn't going to be all that big after reading financial report, aa it looks like the chosen people have f*cked off with all the money! Who'd have thought it :devil:

Yet your happy about it?
 
So looks like warchest isn't going to be all that big after reading financial report, aa it looks like the chosen people have f*cked off with all the money! Who'd have thought it


You wanna explain that remark?
 
i cant believe people are asking about this side compared to 2005. this side is a couple of signings short of being our best in a long time.

Agreed.

In De Gea, Jones, Smalling and Evans we have the base of a world class defence for many years to come. Up front Rooney is still 26, while Welbeck and Hernandez are two of the best young strikers around.
Problem area is midfield - that needs to be sorted out. However players like Valencia and Nani would grace any team. Not to mention Carrick, Giggs and a certain Paul Scholes....

I agree that we need to make a couple of signings but definitely it's not all doom and gloom,,,
 
Agreed.

In De Gea, Jones, Smalling and Evans we have the base of a world class defence for many years to come. Up front Rooney is still 26, while Welbeck and Hernandez are two of the best young strikers around.
Problem area is midfield - that needs to be sorted out. However players like Valencia and Nani would grace any team. Not to mention Carrick, Giggs and a certain Paul Scholes....

I agree that we need to make a couple of signings but definitely it's not all doom and gloom,,,

Think we have a great core with the younger players. I do worry we don't have a group thats 26-30year olds. To guide the younger ones into maturity like Evra Vidic Carrick did with Rooney Ronaldo Nani Anderson but I guess the likes of Carrick and Evra will play on to their mid/late 30s so might be worrying about nothing. We do need a bit of quality in the middle of the park as we have more quantity imo with Anderson not reached any high consistency levels Fletcher career threatening illness Giggs Scholes aging and can't play game in game out Cleverly yet to emerge fully and Carrick the only one that is prominent. Plus I'd like to see Evra get competition and someone get a extended run at right back.
 
Erik Nevland, Jonathan Greening, Kieran Richardson, Ronaldo, Bellion, ... - all at least 8 years ago.

So between you and Richio you have found 6 in 20 years.

Do you want me to list all the established signings we have made in that first 20 years as a comparison? Or maybe you could accept the point as it was intended, that despite being constantly tagged as a club which almost always buys youth, we haven't really bought much youth in the first 20 years?

It is a myth that SAF has always bought youth, yours and Richio's struggle to recollect any of note, is surely testament to that!
 
Think we have a great core with the younger players. I do worry we don't have a group thats 26-30year olds. To guide the younger ones into maturity like Evra Vidic Carrick did with Rooney Ronaldo Nani Anderson but I guess the likes of Carrick and Evra will play on to their mid/late 30s so might be worrying about nothing. We do need a bit of quality in the middle of the park as we have more quantity imo with Anderson not reached any high consistency levels Fletcher career threatening illness Giggs Scholes aging and can't play game in game out Cleverly yet to emerge fully and Carrick the only one that is prominent. Plus I'd like to see Evra get competition and someone get a extended run at right back.

Agreed. Evra's form has dropped since World Cup finals fiasco. To be fair, lately he s shown us glimpses of what he s capable of, but he certainly lacks consistency.
 
And Carroll, Silvestre, Fortune, Bellion, Kleberson, Djemba etc

Largely squad players - the "best" players were better in key areas. The players above weren't going to win titles for us. Scholes, Giggs and Ferdinand would.

Those three in particular aren't what they were, and I don't see anyone in the squad capable of filling the gap at the moment.
 
Largely squad players - the "best" players were better in key areas. The players above weren't going to win titles for us. Scholes, Giggs and Ferdinand would.

Those three in particular aren't what they were, and I don't see anyone in the squad capable of filling the gap at the moment.

Vidic is as good as Rio was back then. In Nani and Valencia we have wingers as good or as efficient as Giggs was back then. Scholes has not been replaced.

But the claim was that the squad is worse now, suddenly you are talking about just three players.
 
2004/05 squad:

GK
Carroll
Howard

Def
Silvestre
Ferdinand
Heinze
G. Neville
Brown
O'Shea
P. Neville

Mid
Scholes
Ronaldo
Keane
Giggs
Fortune
Fletcher
Kleberson
Djemba
Miller

Att
Rooney
Smith
van Nistelrooy
Saha
Bellion

2011/12 squad:

GK
de Gea
Lindegaard

Def
Rafael
Fabio
Ferdinand
Vidic
Smalling
Evra
Evans
Jones

Mid
Carrick
Scholes
Fletcher
Anderson
Cleverley
Valencia
Nani
Young
Park
Giggs

Att
Rooney
Welbeck
Berbatov
Hernandez
 
2004/05 squad:

GK
Carroll
Howard

Def
Silvestre
Ferdinand
Heinze
G. Neville
Brown
O'Shea
P. Neville

Mid
Scholes
Ronaldo
Keane
Giggs
Fortune
Fletcher
Kleberson
Djemba
Miller

Att
Rooney
Smith
van Nistelrooy
Saha
Bellion

2011/12 squad:

GK
de Gea
Lindegaard

Def
Rafael
Fabio
Ferdinand
Vidic
Smalling
Evra
Evans
Jones

Mid
Carrick
Scholes
Fletcher
Anderson
Cleverley
Valencia
Nani
Young
Park
Giggs

Att
Rooney
Welbeck
Berbatov
Hernandez

Our current squad's better, there's no question about that, more interesting would be to compare the best XI from those squads.

----------------Howard-------------

Nev-------Brown-------Rio-----Heinze

Ronaldo-----Keane--Scholes-----Giggs

-----------Rooney--RvN--------------

vs.

----------------DDG------------------

Jones/Rafael--Rio---Vidic----------Evra

Valencia----Carrick---Scholes------Nani

-----------Rooney--Welbeck-----------


Pretty close no?