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The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
Great postFor five or six seasons he was an incredible shot-stopper, probably the best I've seen in my time watching the sport.
I've been very critical of him for the last four years or so, but part of that is purely because it was hard to watch someone who was once so good become so average. Having one or two poor seasons at the end is one thing, but unfortunately he was allowed to just continue on for five seasons which unfortunately did hurt his legacy in a lot of peoples eyes. Now that he's finally moving on it's time to try to forget this poor period and remember him for how good he once was.
Thanks for the good memories Dave.
The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
You consider Dave to be up their with the likes of Cantona, Best, Scholes, Keane etc? The guy couldn't get in the Spain squad...Reading fans opinion about Dave reminded me on Rooney's situation when he was leaving. "You are good as your last game/season was" way of thinking.
People even dispute is Dave a club legend or not. Bloody hell.
I was always Dave's huge fan but even i don't dispute Erik's decision in letting Dave go. He just doesn't fit in system. Problem is in rewritting history. All of sudden, Dave was average player for us.His form at the end of this season could have legitimately cost a manager his job. Imagine we dropped down to 5th and then he has that horror show in the FA cup final and in Sevilla? Not looking good for the manager at that point is it. People rightly start asking why we're forcing (apparently good) players to play in a system they can't play in etc. The manager has made the right call on all accounts here.
First of all, he was in Spain's squad.You consider Dave to be up their with the likes of Cantona, Best, Scholes, Keane etc? The guy couldn't get in the Spain squad...
I've never been his biggest fan, I've half wanted him gone since the failed move to Madrid and even more so the seasons after that, but he wasn't average, he was possibly the best shot stopper/reaction save keeper I've ever seen, and at one point was probably the third best keeper in the world, but at that time he was quite far behind Neuer and Oblak.I was always Dave's huge fan but even i don't dispute Erik's decision in letting Dave go. He just doesn't fit in system. Problem is in rewritting history. All of sudden, Dave was average player for us.
He deserved far better from fans.
I don't know man, if you're opening up the bottom end of the legend list like that then where do we stop? Wes Brown? David May? Van Persie? Sheringham? We've had great players consistently but they can't all be legends because we weren't organised enough to bin them off sooner or because they won some stuff. It's a combination of massive performances when we need them, consistency week in, week out, winning major silverware as a team etc.First of all, he was in Spain's squad.
And yes, Dave is an absolute legend of this club. By all merits. Performances, honours, longevity and his behaviour all these years.
It is another topic where he is exactly on that legend list.
Actually, i am very demanding regarding that legend status. And i don't use that word lightly.I don't know man, if you're opening up the bottom end of the legend list like that then where do we stop? Wes Brown? David May? Van Persie? Sheringham? We've had great players consistently but they can't all be legends because we weren't organised enough to bin them off sooner or because they won some stuff. It's a combination of massive performances when we need them, consistency week in, week out, winning major silverware as a team etc.
I hear you, but they won so much more than De Gea ever did and had some massive performances in massive games, CL finals some of them. De Gea never had any of that, in fact he was consistently disappointing in the big games and usually had a mistake in him. In a well functioning team he doesn't win any of the player of the year awards also.Actually, i am very demanding regarding that legend status. And i don't use that word lightly.
Imo, Dave deserves it. And i am not saying that because i "love him". For example, RVP is in my top 10 favourite United players of all time but i would never call him as our legend.
Neither i would call Brown, May or Teddy as legends.
Reading fans opinion about Dave reminded me on Rooney's situation when he was leaving. "You are good as your last game/season was" way of thinking.
People even dispute is Dave a club legend or not. Bloody hell.
Reading fans opinion about Dave reminded me on Rooney's situation when he was leaving. "You are good as your last game/season was" way of thinking.
People even dispute is Dave a club legend or not. Bloody hell.
The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
People are so fickle and have short memories.Reading fans opinion about Dave reminded me on Rooney's situation when he was leaving. "You are good as your last game/season was" way of thinking.
People even dispute is Dave a club legend or not. Bloody hell.
The bar has been dripped for so long, and you blubber crap about how DDG earned 350k a week when we had absolute clowns like Lingard earning 100k+ a week, players like Fred, Maguire, Martial, Sancho and similar who earn 200k a week, yeah shock horror nobody plays for free. DDG is probably the only players in the last 10 years who actually deserved the salary he got. All players decline, just like Rooney, Rio, Vidic and the others. That does not change the fact the DDG will be remembered as a club legend.Sorry but if you think De Gea is a legend then we must have dripped the bar very low. Just staying with a club for a long period because they paid you an insane wage at 350k a week whilst trying to move to Madrid and then not improving any part of your game, but actually getting worse does not make you any kind of legend in my eyes. Cantona, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Rio, Schmikes, Edwin, Rooney, Neville, Vidic, Best etc are United legends. I wouldn't put De Gea anywhere near those guys.
The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
I’m not sure any amount of coaching could have stopped him being a physical coward who was terrified of being touched and crapped himself if an opposition player came within 20 yards of him. Those personality traits become fixed pretty early on.His lack of development also reflects poorly on the club. He joined us as a teenager with greats shot stopping potential but the revolving door of managers, goalkeeping coaches, no set back four ahead of him and the constant need to put out fires elsewhere meant he never really got the chance to work on his weaker aspects.
I’m not sure any amount of coaching could have stopped him being a physical coward who was terrified of being touched and crapped himself if an opposition player came within 20 yards of him. Those personality traits become fixed pretty early on.
Scary that we would have persisted with him for another year if it hadn't have been for those obvious, major errors. I don't understand why though. It was always such a huge priority in my mind. All in all, one of those cases where a loss can be a win.The annual late season blunders did him in in the end
How short does a memory have to be to be short? Because 5 years is a long time.People are so fickle and have short memories.
Abit concerned by that last part if the late season blunders are the only reason we let him go. He’s been making blunders for five years now and has shown for years he’s not good enough anymore. Hugely concerning if true that yeh Utd hierarchy couldn’t see that and reacted based on short form.
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I am not sure if he deserved the salary he got but there's definitely a strong case for it. Anyway, can't blame him for running his contract down since it was quite clear in the last few years nobody rated him anywhere close to what we've been paying him. The point is, his "longevity" has to be considered in context of being the best paid keeper in the world.The bar has been dripped for so long, and you blubber crap about how DDG earned 350k a week when we had absolute clowns like Lingard earning 100k+ a week, players like Fred, Maguire, Martial, Sancho and similar who earn 200k a week, yeah shock horror nobody plays for free. DDG is probably the only players in the last 10 years who actually deserved the salary he got. All players decline, just like Rooney, Rio, Vidic and the others. That does not change the fact the DDG will be remembered as a club legend.
I agree that is a factor, but big part of the problem is his timid personality. This was a risk worth taking as he was really young when joined, shame for a few reasons he never developed into an all around goalkeeper to add to his tremendous shot stopping ability.His lack of development also reflects poorly on the club. He joined us as a teenager with greats shot stopping potential but the revolving door of managers, goalkeeping coaches, no set back four ahead of him and the constant need to put out fires elsewhere meant he never really got the chance to work on his weaker aspects.
Spot on.For me, he's a loyal servant, was a great player (for a period of time) but NOT a legend.
Legends to me is about striving to be the absolute best and demand that from others. It's also about recognising and adapting as your abilities and strengths diminish.
Some choose to walk away when they know their powers are waning. Others adapt to a lesser role in the squad or a bit part player.
DDG hasn't done that. He apparently asked Schwienstieger constantly if he was as good as Neuer...well he should have done the work to improve then.
His mental weakness in top games held him back and the club bought defenders like Maguire (Heading ability) to overcome his failure to deal with crossfield arial balls.
Yes for a period he was immense for club and country in most games, but still saved his mistakes for the biggest stage.
He's been an example of the club settling for "good enough" not "best" and he can't really be solely to blame for that. The people that would have demanded high standards left and he has been adrift ever since.
So long Dave, thanks for some great memories.
I don't think that was the case, I think ETH (as much as DDG didn't fit his game) thought we can somehow survive another season with De Gea as we have very good defensive line now PLUS other priority signings to make. He also had quite a lot of supporters amongst United fans, just check DDG performances thread to see how much they were willing to accept. His mistakes in latter stages of the season made it easy to make a tough decision to let him go but I am sure this was always preferred option by ETH.Abit concerned by that last part if the late season blunders are the only reason we let him go. He’s been making blunders for five years now and has shown for years he’s not good enough anymore. Hugely concerning if true that yeh Utd hierarchy couldn’t see that and reacted based on short form.
His lack of development also reflects poorly on the club. He joined us as a teenager with greats shot stopping potential but the revolving door of managers, goalkeeping coaches, no set back four ahead of him and the constant need to put out fires elsewhere meant he never really got the chance to work on his weaker aspects.
Neither could Cantona, Best, Scholes or KeaneYou consider Dave to be up their with the likes of Cantona, Best, Scholes, Keane etc? The guy couldn't get in the Spain squad...
And from the club.I was always Dave's huge fan but even i don't dispute Erik's decision in letting Dave go. He just doesn't fit in system. Problem is in rewritting history. All of sudden, Dave was average player for us.
He deserved far better from fans.
Neither could Cantona, Best, Scholes or Keane
You consider Dave to be up their with the likes of Cantona, Best, Scholes, Keane etc? The guy couldn't get in the Spain squad...
Gerrard played 114 times for England while Scholes only played 60 odd games. Of course this is a nonsense metricCantona has the same number of appearances for France as de Gea has for Spain (46). Best has 37 for Northern Ireland. So it’s a bizarre metric for ‘legendary status’.
True that! Although I’m sure Keane would have given it a go after the Japan WC.Neither could Cantona, Best, Scholes or Keane