Not in the Spain squad again. Firmly behind Simon at Bilbao, Sanchez at Brighton and Raya at Brentford.
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Great player. He made several top saves against Crystal Palace.
Impressive
Alisson? He has a blooper every game.
Without VVD his stats would be much lower.
Without VVD his stats would be much lower.
I don't even know where to start with how ridiculous this comment it.
He's not wrong though, without VVD they concede way more goals. Allison is obviously a top keeper but he's far more protected also.
He makes a blooper every game? Really? And he has the best centre back in the world in front of him, with whom he has a largely seamless relationship, of course dropping him out of the team will have an impact however Allisson's individual stats are excellent - which suggests he certainly doesn't make a mistake every game.
Except the game at Watford where he looks clearly off for all the goals, and his usual inactivity on corners, I don t see how he could do much better than what he did...
Think that we need to solve much more problems before him :
Central midfielders
Central defender
Right Back
Left Back
Winger
Replacing Ronaldo
Then De Gea should be replaced
Think that we need to solve much more problems before him :
Central midfielders
Central defender
Right Back
Left Back
Winger
Replacing Ronaldo
Then De Gea should be replaced
I assume he's exaggerating, Ederson is a lot worse in this regard who genuinely does make 1 mistake every game.
The point was that De Gea is under way more pressure than both of those keepers every game. Weren't we top for shots received for quite a long time? he is having to make far too many saves.
He is. Something which he is partially responsible for.
I've said it before and I will say it again: I will know that United are serious about becoming a top footballing team when a manager comes in and moves De Gea aside. What Guardiola did to Hart is exactly what Ten Hag needs to do to De Gea. He's an absolute millstone around the neck of any progressive football manager.
The national team is preferring goalkeepers from Brentford and Brighton. What more of an illustration do you need that De Gea isn't an elite goalkeeper?
The national team is preferring goalkeepers from Brentford and Brighton. What more of an illustration do you need that De Gea isn't an elite goalkeeper?
Would free up a lot of space on our wage bill too. The fact that he is the best paid goalkeeper in the world really sums up the post Fergie mismanagement.
He is an ELITE shotstopper who is average to poor in every other department.
I am genuine when I say I believe Maguire/Bailly/Lindelof and whoever else would perform miles better with a commanding goalkeeper behind them.. Do people honestly reckon they would be as bad as they are right now with big Pete or VDS barking orders at them?
I like DDG but I do believe we can do better.
While we are paying him 350k a week or whatever it is, he's going to be used.
Is there potentially better out there? sure. Is this he the biggest problem? no chance. We need to spend elsewhere a lot more than the keeper right now.
It's a sunk cost fallacy. Best place for De Gea is in the stands: he should sit there every single match until his contract ends or someone is willing to take him off our hands. The problem is that nobody at all wants him, whether in the Premier League or La Liga.
Thread on how De Gea is playing well largely because we’re crap and how he’s very unsuited to a team that wants to win things.
This guy is something of an expert on goalkeeper analytics and his work has been used by Carragher on Sky so he isn’t a nobody.
This guy is something of an expert on goalkeeper analytics and his work has been used by Carragher on Sky so he isn’t a nobody.
There's little evidence he's an elite shotstopper either. This season was decent, but the three seasons prior were bang average. Petr Cech lived on his reputation long after his actual ability receded too.
I think it's United's indecisiveness which is causing all the issues make it clear to De Gea he won't be considered for United's No 1 going forward and United won't be taking the option to extend his contract either , he is free to look for new Club and United wouldn't mind letting him go without fees due to his services .
I have no doubt Mendes would find him a club if he isn't keen to spend a year on the bench despite his wages .
I just can't believe we have Dean Henderson at the club and De Gea PLAYED EVERY SINGLE MINUTE IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE for us, when any goalkeeping scout or elite manager working for a top team wouldn't look twice at him. At least with Henderson you have the potential and some unproven ability. Is the dressing room that bad that you have to persist with continually selecting De Gea just for one aspect of stability?
Great video, I don't understand how people fail to see the illogicality of wanting to keep a goalie who rarely comes out of the six yard box and wanting the defence playing higher up the pitch.
How DDG is up there are being voted for POTS is beyond me.
Just look at the goals we have conceded from tight angles, goals gone through him, its a joke really.
Look at the goals where the opponents fizz it across the goal and he is nowhere to be seen.
That is because he offers nothing at all in terms of shot prevention. Every involvement De Gea has in any given game is to save a shot which is ridiculous.
The vast majority of goalkeepers come and deal with balls in behind the defenders, both balls dropping into the penalty area and balls outside of the penalty area. The median goalkeepers in the Premier League (Jordan Pickford and Fraser Forster) are three times more likely to deal with a ball outside the penalty area than De Gea (0.74 times per 90 minutes against De Gea's 0.24), the most proactive (Alisson and Nick Pope jointly, 1.75 times per 90 minutes) seven times more likely.
They come and deal with crosses into the box. The median goalkeeper in the Premier League (Edouard Mendy) deals with 7.8% of crosses into the box. De Gea last season dealt with 3.3% (the worst in the league). The most striking statistic here is that with the exception of Hugo Lloris and Tim Krul, every other goalkeeper was at 6% or above. So almost every goalkeeper in the league as almost twice as likely to deal with a cross. Robert Sanchez was the best in the league at 11.7%.
Again, the vast majority of Premier League goalkeepers make themselves available in possession for defenders in trouble. De Gea doesn't do that. Of the 14 goalkeepers who made more than 30 appearances in the league last season, De Gea was bottom place for non-goal-kick passes attempted. There average number of in-play passes from those 14 was 893, De Gea made 614. He was even below three goalkeeper who made less than 30 appearances. Again, this is a metric Robert Sanchez was the best in the league at, with 1269 passes attempted, over double De Gea's number - and before the "oh but it's Brighton they're bound to spend a lot of time in their own half" comments, Alisson was second with 1189.
So basically he offers zero assistance to his defenders whatsoever. It's not even like he combats his deficiencies by being an excellent communicator on the pitch and helping his defenders that way, he's almost silent. One of the quietest goalkeepers you will ever see. It's genuinely astonishing that he's the highest paid goalkeeper in the world and the above are the reasons no other big club would touch him with a bargepole.
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Beautiful post. The sooner we bin this charlatan the better.
Nothing new, De Gea is a great shot stopper but offers little else as an all round goalkeeper and must be replaced. We have so many areas of concern and Dave's wages will likely see him here for another year but I cannot see him here beyond next summer and I desperately hope he's moved on.
People love De Gea for the same reason they love tricky wingers. He pulls of the spectacular from time to time, but they fail to see all his other flaws - the lack of coming off his line and the inability to claim crosses. The same as a tricky winger is forgiven for a lack of pressing if he beats a few players. They both occasionally do great things, but people fail to see their flaws cause you to lose more games than their moments of brilliance make up for. Ultimately both are a detriment to the team but for some moments of magic.
And Mancini with Shay Given before
At this point I think most people here understand De Gea's weaknesses and why he ultimately needs to be upgraded. But the issue of priorities can't really be avoided. We only have the capacity to make so many transfers in a given summer and there are a lot of changes to make.
It's easy to point to Pep replacing Hart immediately but Pep had inherited a squad that already contained the likes of KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy, Yaya Toure, etc. If he had inherited our squad instead then (once he stopped crying) he may well have prioritised the outfield shitshow as well. As for Henderson, he obviously hasn't convinced those at the club in his time here and has been at the centre of a lot of the rumours regarding leaks eminating from the dressing room as well, so my desire to see him play is limited.
It is what it is. We likely have to put up with De Gea for another season, because there were always going to be some elements of the team that were still broken next year. Too much to fix in one season.
It's easy to point to Pep replacing Hart immediately but Pep had inherited a squad that already contained the likes of KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy, Yaya Toure, etc. If he had inherited our squad instead then (once he stopped crying) he may well have prioritised the outfield shitshow as well. As for Henderson, he obviously hasn't convinced those at the club in his time here and has been at the centre of a lot of the rumours regarding leaks eminating from the dressing room as well, so my desire to see him play is limited.
It is what it is. We likely have to put up with De Gea for another season, because there were always going to be some elements of the team that were still broken next year. Too much to fix in one season.
I don't disagree with anything you've said.
He does need to be more proactive - I do remember him starting to sweep up a lot more often when we played a higher line for a short period.
Unfortunately crossing and especially set pieces has always been a major weakness of his.
I'm not sure he is quiet, I hear him shouting quite often.
Whether we like it or not though with his huge wage we either let him rot on the bench, pay him off early or keep playing him.
Right now there's bigger problems for us to solve than the GK. Maybe next summer if we get our recruitment right we can think of moving him on.
...but he's saving us!
We'd be in relegation battle without him!
It's great that a lot of people on this forum understand his weaknesses and see why we should be looking for someone else. The wider fanbase can only see the long range shot saves. The lack of shot prevention is bad enough. I also hate how passive he is in 1v1 situations. He stands on his line and is almost never willing to get aggressive against the opposition forward. It gives them a better chance of scoring.
I think we're going to keep him here for the coming season and then move him on in summer 23/24. There are no rumours that he might leave. 23/24 we will hopefully become a much more serious team.
Considering that Enrique would've been likely our new manager if he were available, it should be telling for the footballing people at the club that he doesn't even call him up for Spain anymore.
Sounds like United about to give him a new contract extension
Any reputable source reporting it ?
1 set forward, 2 steps back...
club is a shambles. its like they want to be a europa league team.
In this regard the club can't win due to the excessive orgasming people do when DDG pulls off a save.
He's a average to poor goalkeeper and yet we're extending his contract. Clearly nothing is going to change. Absolute shambles
I still feel the same way about De Gea, he's the goalkeeper equivalent of a striker who scores plenty of tap ins and does nothing else. In football its been a long time now since you could get away with a striker who doesn't press, link up play, interchange and put on goals for others. Likewise these days you need keepers who as well as shot stopping can create passing lanes for defenders, sweep up through balls behind a high line and play progressive passes forward. Not having one makes it vastly harder to play from the back and deal with an opposition press.
Don't we already have a +1 option on Dea Gea? So it's effectively 2 years. Why on earth do we need to extend it beyond that 
Wait and see how he gets on under ETH and then make a decision, no reason to do it now.
Wait and see how he gets on under ETH and then make a decision, no reason to do it now.He's had 3 shite seasons followed by this one where he made a good few decent saves, a lot of camera saves, but also made many feckups. His flaws are there for all to see, one of the best at making saves, one of the worst at almost everything else.
It's a bit like Rashford scoring goals that masked otherwise shite performances, his saves are doing the same. It's fooled people into thinking he isn't a part of the defensive problem but actually someone who's holding it together. The simple fact that Henderson had a bigger impact on goals conceded in his short stint in goal last season than DDG has had during this season where he's apparently been great just proves that an average all round keeper is better than a guy who just waits to make saves.
It's a bit like Rashford scoring goals that masked otherwise shite performances, his saves are doing the same. It's fooled people into thinking he isn't a part of the defensive problem but actually someone who's holding it together. The simple fact that Henderson had a bigger impact on goals conceded in his short stint in goal last season than DDG has had during this season where he's apparently been great just proves that an average all round keeper is better than a guy who just waits to make saves.
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