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He's not made the greatest jump in fairness, but I don't think many/any keepers are going to get up that high... The ball is well over the bar.
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He's not made the greatest jump in fairness, but I don't think many/any keepers are going to get up that high... The ball is well over the bar.
Also worth noting that most goalkeepers have some weaknesses if you scrutinise everything they do. Watching City v Spurs yesterday, it's not like the other league & top four contenders have faultless keepers either.
Oi, so you want de gea to position himself for shots into the far top corner from the touch line then?
How anyone can watch this goal and think he should save it is madness.
He's not made the greatest jump in fairness, but I don't think many/any keepers are going to get up that high... The ball is well over the bar.
Yes he is at full stretch. Safe to say if De Gea is beaten there, not many would save that. I would argue it will beat every GK given the circumstances of the game. Windy, downpour and fluke shot, it had everything that makes GK job tough.
It said it earlier but most other keepers are actually further off their line to collect the cross and would have been nowhere near close to saving the shot
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Nah you can't criticize that first one to be fair.
Fully agree as he was the only keeper in our net at the time, so no one else was getting it. Shame that we didn’t have someone else, Henderson would be pulled to bits if he did similar.
No he wouldn't. It was unstoppable
Where did Henderson came into the discussion? And yes Henderson would have been beaten too if he was the GK. And any GK who would find themselves in the same position. Hope that makes it clear.
It seems like players who dont play suddenly become better and get their own cult. Henderson is nowhere near De Gea level. So it makes sense that he wasnt in goal.
He doesn't come off his line, he's criticized. He's on his line and cant save a freak cross-goal, he's criticized. Man can't get a break with fans here 
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No chance he saves it unless he abnormally stands by the far post to save it. Ridiculous to say he was at fault.
.No chance he saves it unless he abnormally stands by the far post to save it. Ridiculous to say he was at fault.
Freak goal. Never his fault.
If he saves it, it's a ridiculous save.
If he saves it, it's a ridiculous save.
Hard to tell how much the wind played into the first goal but watch the corner flag. It was halfway horizontal
He couldn’t do anything about either goal, Lingard and Shaw though On the other hand though...
Halfway waiting to hear someone in here say that he used the wrong hand in trying to save that cross.
Since he "dived" straight up maybe he should have used his head
Didn't the Chelsea keeper concede a very similar goal just last week? Or was it Ederson.
No way the first goal can be seen as a mistake. It was a clear miskick that turned out to be a perfect strike. Most keepers would even be further out trying to claim a possible cross, and would have had no chance whatsoever saving it. Only way to save it is to position himself much closer to the far post - but imagine doing that only for the Leeds player to miskick it on the outside of his boot to hit the near post (kind of a similar strike that Mendy conceeded from some time back), then he would have been so far from having a shot at saving that it would have looked hilarious.
Nothing he can do about the first but the second? Feel like he could have cut out the cross.
I’ve rewatched that cross for the second goal five times in a row and I just cannot understand what anyone is expecting him to do.
I don't blame him for either goal. First one is a freak goal that would fool many goalkeepers.
I don't think he's what we need due to the many many flaws, but today I can't fault him.
I don't think he's what we need due to the many many flaws, but today I can't fault him.
It was a freak goal that had some inevitability about it. I was certain they’d get back into the came just with how the conditions were + our habit of caving in.
Glad we bounced back in the end, Dave has been our best player so far this season. Hoping the others who are showing promise kick on and we can go far in the CL while grabbing 4th.
Glad we bounced back in the end, Dave has been our best player so far this season. Hoping the others who are showing promise kick on and we can go far in the CL while grabbing 4th.
He’s a keeper and you stated no other keeper, simply an example and commenting on how he’d get critised much harsher. As an ex keeper I’d be disappointed conceding both goals. I don’t need you to make things clear for me, better footwork and positioning and the first doesnt go in, cutting out the cross and the second doesn’t either, Dave watches it go straight past him.
Oh and by the way where did I stated Henderson was better? I’ll give you a clue, I’d didn’t,
The 2nd goal cross looks much slower on highlights.
The thing is that any other GK would not be in the goal line during a cross, he would be positioned outside the line close to the angle and distance the cross went at.
I just don't see a goalkeeper from other teams watching the cross go past him left to right and just waiting for it to be dealt with by his defenders or the opposition attackers.
The thing is that any other GK would not be in the goal line during a cross, he would be positioned outside the line close to the angle and distance the cross went at.
I just don't see a goalkeeper from other teams watching the cross go past him left to right and just waiting for it to be dealt with by his defenders or the opposition attackers.
He’s poor in distribution and coming upfront to stop striker movement but he’s usually too good in positioning and shot stopping especially close range ones.
Today’s an odd day with abhorrent conditions and a lucky goal.
Today’s an odd day with abhorrent conditions and a lucky goal.
Unbelievable that he's getting criticised for the 2 goals today. 1st was a complete fluke and there was nothing he could do with the 2nd. The whole team probably didn't expect end product like that from Dan James
Have to confess, never been a keeper nor have really any clue about the art of goalkeeping. For the second goal to me it seems like he's done what any keeper would do, cover the the near post for the shot and defenders would responsible for cutting out a cross. And sometimes you know what, an attacker just manages to get the perfect ball across.
Just looking back through the game and in this same game, Pogba's ball across the 6 yard box no different to the ball James put in, goes almost across the same line really Meslier is positioned exactly the same as DDG was, covering the near post and not a yard or so off his line and the ball gets to Ronaldo.
Again the same game, for Fred's goal, he is in a similar position to where James crossed from on the other side but, he takes the shot at the near post, Meslier a little more off his line and gets beaten at the near post, which is usually seen as the bigger sin for keepers to let a goal in that way.
So, anyone that is saying DDG is at fault for the cross not being gobbled up for the second goal, please give me a couple examples perhaps to educate myself a bit more about how other proper keepers to both, cover near post and able to easily collect crosses across the 6 yard box at the same time, I genuinely want to understand what am missing here of what was expected of him in that situation.
Just looking back through the game and in this same game, Pogba's ball across the 6 yard box no different to the ball James put in, goes almost across the same line really Meslier is positioned exactly the same as DDG was, covering the near post and not a yard or so off his line and the ball gets to Ronaldo.
Again the same game, for Fred's goal, he is in a similar position to where James crossed from on the other side but, he takes the shot at the near post, Meslier a little more off his line and gets beaten at the near post, which is usually seen as the bigger sin for keepers to let a goal in that way.
So, anyone that is saying DDG is at fault for the cross not being gobbled up for the second goal, please give me a couple examples perhaps to educate myself a bit more about how other proper keepers to both, cover near post and able to easily collect crosses across the 6 yard box at the same time, I genuinely want to understand what am missing here of what was expected of him in that situation.
Okay
Maybe if you could do it, then we would be discussing your performance here. There is a reason why De Gea made it.And you brought Henderson into this.
Exactly. Only difference was, we didnt have anyone on the far post. It seems like people are making up stuff to put down players they dont like. In case of De Gea, I am bit surprised to see such over reaction considering he has been our best player.
Freak goal. Not his fault
He dropped into the near post in case of a shot i thought for the 2nd. Would need to see it again though but I remember him reaching his right hand out touching the post so he knew where he was
It's a very similar ball to pogbas and from a similar angle from Fred's where their keeper gets beat near post.
Just said the exact same thing.
Okay
And you brought Henderson into this.
Hmm ok then
Apologies if it came up as bit too personal. But i do think you are being extremely harsh on De Gea. I wouldn’t begrudge any goal keeper who doesn’t save those 2.Hmm ok then
First goal - beaten by a mishit cross, not really his fault. Where the feck was AWB or the cover at right back? Absolutely no pressure on the cross.
Second goal - perhaps he could be a step further from his post. But that was some shocking defending drom AWB amd Lingard to let that cross in.
Second goal - perhaps he could be a step further from his post. But that was some shocking defending drom AWB amd Lingard to let that cross in.
I think he could be doing better on the first goal really, he reacts very slowly despite the cross going very straight, almost as if he's expecting the ball to curl away from goal but it doesn't, he seems to lose the flight of the ball and if he doesn't do that & reacts quicker he probably gets back to it and stops it. But it's difficult to blame him for it as it ends up on a postage stamp in the top corner. Like others have said, you need better from the defenders in terms of stopping the cross but I'm loathe to blame AWB too much as using the full backs in attacking areas was a big part of our game plan yesterday and he'd actually made a really good run if Lingard hadn't been so loose in possession - and tbf Usain Bolt wouldn't have got back in time as the ball was in the back of the net 8 seconds after the tackle was made.
Second goal is one I think a lot of goalkeepers do better on, that was an area Romero used to excel for example, that would have been his ball all day long. However that had never been DDGs game as we've seen time and time again as such our defenders should know better. AWB is very very poor on letting the ball get across him and obviously Shaw loses his man.
Second goal is one I think a lot of goalkeepers do better on, that was an area Romero used to excel for example, that would have been his ball all day long. However that had never been DDGs game as we've seen time and time again as such our defenders should know better. AWB is very very poor on letting the ball get across him and obviously Shaw loses his man.
First goal is a fluke which nobody really could have anticipated, it's the second goal that winds me up, watch it again and tell me what exactly he does to try to prevent it? Because all I see is him staring at the ball going past him as the cross came in and again as it went past him into the net.
Yes, it's a good cross by Dan James, put into that area that is very difficult to defend, however you are going to face those types of crosses numerous times in any match so you need to do something other than just watch the ball go past you.
If you're not going to attempt to cut the cross out (which is a joke in itself that he never ever even attempts to) then at least try and position yourself well to stop any potential shot.
Yes, as I said, they are difficult balls to deal with and even if you attempt these things you may still concede, but over a season you will also prevent a few goals if you at least try or have a plan.
One thing is certain, you won't prevent any goals at all by just standing watching the ball go by.
Mellier made a good save from Ronaldo earlier in the game after Pogba but a very similar low cross in, admittedly it was a poor finish by Ron but, the point is, at least Mellier was alert, made himself big and made the save, De Gea pretty much just relies on pure luck in those instances, hoping that the opponent hits it straight at him or misses the target.
This has been happening his whole career, including at Ateltico and Spain, the big difference is that they had the sense to replace him while we decide that a keeper who may as well not be there when a cross comes in, is worthy of being the highest paid goalkeeper in the world (by a long way).
I'll repeat it again, there's much more to goal-keeping than shot stopping, it's that simple.
On a more positive note, great win yesterday and the team showed great character to go again after Leeds equalised, loved it.
Yes, it's a good cross by Dan James, put into that area that is very difficult to defend, however you are going to face those types of crosses numerous times in any match so you need to do something other than just watch the ball go past you.
If you're not going to attempt to cut the cross out (which is a joke in itself that he never ever even attempts to) then at least try and position yourself well to stop any potential shot.
Yes, as I said, they are difficult balls to deal with and even if you attempt these things you may still concede, but over a season you will also prevent a few goals if you at least try or have a plan.
One thing is certain, you won't prevent any goals at all by just standing watching the ball go by.
Mellier made a good save from Ronaldo earlier in the game after Pogba but a very similar low cross in, admittedly it was a poor finish by Ron but, the point is, at least Mellier was alert, made himself big and made the save, De Gea pretty much just relies on pure luck in those instances, hoping that the opponent hits it straight at him or misses the target.
This has been happening his whole career, including at Ateltico and Spain, the big difference is that they had the sense to replace him while we decide that a keeper who may as well not be there when a cross comes in, is worthy of being the highest paid goalkeeper in the world (by a long way).
I'll repeat it again, there's much more to goal-keeping than shot stopping, it's that simple.
On a more positive note, great win yesterday and the team showed great character to go again after Leeds equalised, loved it.
I don't think many would have saved the first but can see why De Gea is getting stick for it in light of the way the second was conceded. You'd expect your keeper to stop one goal or the other simply through consistent positioning and it's frustrating to concede a goal one minute because the keeper was caught off his line, and concede a goal the next because the keeper is glued to his line. The second was completely preventable on De Gea's part and most PL goalkeepers would have cut out the cross. Obviously poor defending as well but you can only control your own actions on the pitch.
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