If it was an easy pass and Rashford wasn't marked I'd agree, but it was a pretty difficult thing to pull off and at that point wasting 30 seconds would have been the safer bet.
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If it was an easy pass and Rashford wasn't marked I'd agree, but it was a pretty difficult thing to pull off and at that point wasting 30 seconds would have been the safer bet.
I definitely agree in hindsight.
But I was screaming at us for stopping playing. We had a fk in their half one time and Bruno just passed it straight back to lindeloff then to de gea.
We should have score a 4th
Christ
In terms of knowing your angles and what's around you, Calvert Lewin is in a position to shoot, any goalkeeper in that situation is keeping his eye on the ball and covering the near post. He has no way whatsoever of knowing if there's a player coming in from behind for a tap in from that cross.
So he can only lightly palm the ball out the way he did? He couldn't possibly get stronger hands on it and push it further away from goal?
And of course he can know what's going on around him... Keepers often let balls run across them, why do they do that?
The first one isn't a mistake, third one is.
The cross is just far enough out that he can't get a proper punch on it, and he can't just let the cross go as he can't know if Doucoure gets in behind and scores, which would've been a mistake.
He does the only thing he can do in that situation. It's pure coincidence and luck on Evertons part that it ends up in the legs of Doucoure
Shaw hardly covers himself in glory in that situation, ends up ballwatching when he knows where Doucoure is, all he should do is block his path instead of worrying where the ball might go
Stop this is embarrassing. Any keeper worth their salt gets that out of the box
I find it ironic that many claim Henderson isn't the answer based solely on an error made against Sheffield United in which he took a bit too long on the ball trying to play from the back.
Yet somehow people feel more confident with de Gea who makes routine, fundamental goalkeeping errors on a weekly basis.
I'm vexed.
Yet somehow people feel more confident with de Gea who makes routine, fundamental goalkeeping errors on a weekly basis.
I'm vexed.
I didn't have a problem with that one as Rashford was in a good position. There was much more chance of scoring in that situation and putting the game to bed than there was of conceding. Rashford just did a poor job.
Ehm. The situation dictates the opportunity to check your surroundings.
You have an opposition player running towards goal with the ball at his feet, the only thing any goalkeeper is going to do is focus on the immediate threat, cover the near post and follow the ball closely.
When Lewin goes for the cross instead of the shot, there's no time for De Gea to look up and see if there's someone behind him waiting for a tap in. So he does the only thing he can do, try clearing it, given the distance to where the cross is coming from, the pace and the distance out to the ball, it's not easy to get much force behind it. Essentially you're reacting to the situation and just try to get it away from goal.
It's not a mistake
Screenshots, for feck sake. Use gifs!
I'm with Jesus on this one, “Do not cast your pearls before swine
No issue with his decision making for the first goal. He had to do what he did. He just should have done it better, which in this case means not cushioning it directly onto the feet of the only other attacker in the box.
Even if he (fairly) didn't know the attacker was making the run to the near post and (fairly) expected Shaw to handle it better, he would still have known that was a dangerous area to palm the ball back into. And he could have avoided palming it into that area by getting a stronger hand to the ball and pushing it further in front of himself.
Even if he (fairly) didn't know the attacker was making the run to the near post and (fairly) expected Shaw to handle it better, he would still have known that was a dangerous area to palm the ball back into. And he could have avoided palming it into that area by getting a stronger hand to the ball and pushing it further in front of himself.
I think you're underestimating the distance out to the ball, how close Lewin is when he crosses it and the actual pace. You go from expecting a shot from close distance to reacting to a cross that's further out from goal.
Completely agree with this.
His feebleness was the exact same feebleness that we saw against Sheffield United last week (his pathetic weak clearance with his feet that gave it to Sheff Utd to score the winning goal), with the difference this time being a pathetic palm that allowed Everton back into the game and gave them all the belief in the World.
Absolutely pathetic for the first and third goal. Barely a keeper these days. Time to go was two seasons ago when he cost us top four. Now it’s just embarrassing having him in net.
He's starting to cost this team points.
It's time. Thanks for everything Dave, but it's time...
It's time. Thanks for everything Dave, but it's time...
For the first goal, De Gea punched lightly so that his defender can clear it. If he punched too hard, it may go even closer to the attacker who can score from there.
Has to be dropped. That attempt to save the third goal is simply unacceptable.
I’m sick of him. He’s been costing us points for 2 seasons now.
He has been a great servant for us but our fans overrate his ability. He is not regarded as good as Casillas in spain and there is a reason to it. The guy is mentally weak.
I never understood the credit he got for distribution. He is one of the worst keepers at passing a ball in this league. 1 match out of 3 he'll gift the ball smack bang in the middle of the pitch to the opposition. Not to forget that his targeted long balls on the side will more often than not end up outside.
Remember that thread about him being United's greatest keeper ahead of Big Pete and Van Der Ear? The gall, the pure gall.
He is a soft boy now.
Remember that thread about him being United's greatest keeper ahead of Big Pete and Van Der Ear? The gall, the pure gall.
He is a soft boy now.
At the time there was an argument for him moving ahead of VDS although that has obviously gone up in smoke. Schmeichel was always in a league of his own though.
Just rewatched the third goal. Unforgivable for him not to be throwing himself at that ball. Cowardly in the extreme.
Sorry, time to let Henderson get a run in the side.
I could complain about zero command of his area, very poor distribution and lack of communication with his defenders until I am blue in the face, however know that Ole will not drop him and we are lumbered for the foreseeable due to that daft contract he's on. I hate giving the scousers any credit but at least Klopp knew when Karius wasn't up to the level of a Liverpool keeper and bought the best in Alisson.
Great post. You've summed it up for me. He was our best player for years but that ended a long time ago, which leads me to this conclusion.
He's a great goalkeeper in a poor team, which we were, because he'll get loads of action and he can be the hero.
But when he's in a good team who need a Van der Sar type to concentrate and make the odd save here and there, he becomes a liability.
He's costing us a title challenge and needs dropping.
Yeah I wish Ole wasn't so sentimental about him but then that huge contract also probably gives preferential treatment too
You know what, you had our fans getting dizzy over some decent performances earlier this season while he still conceded loads of goals and had the odd error thrown in there, saying that he’s ‘getting back to his best’. One United fan channel said he was better than Alisson I’m happy I never fell for that, because when people say ‘form is temporary, class is permanent’, this applies negatively to De Gea. A mid-table keeper is his class now, and that was just some decent form.
I’m happy I never fell for that, because when people say ‘form is temporary, class is permanent’, this applies negatively to De Gea. A mid-table keeper is his class now, and that was just some decent form.I can't believe people are saying ddg did the only thing that was possible for the first goal which was to push it into the strikers feet tamely
Very bizarre. Top keepers don't do that, or If they do on that one occasion, they make up for it by ensuring the third goal doesn't happen
He's now a mistake waiting to happen. And he's costing us at bad times. It's not like we were 5-0 and he did that
He cost us top4 in ole first season
And probably even the barca match away too and killed any comeback chances
He cost us fa Cup last season too
And he had a terrible showing against Leipzig too away
I'm wondering if our defence might be organised better with a more confident and vocal keeper behind them.
Very bizarre. Top keepers don't do that, or If they do on that one occasion, they make up for it by ensuring the third goal doesn't happen
He's now a mistake waiting to happen. And he's costing us at bad times. It's not like we were 5-0 and he did that
He cost us top4 in ole first season
And probably even the barca match away too and killed any comeback chances
He cost us fa Cup last season too
And he had a terrible showing against Leipzig too away
I'm wondering if our defence might be organised better with a more confident and vocal keeper behind them.
We're rich enough to deal with an expensive sub. Just drop him.
It is perfectly ok to criticize a player, but what some of the members of this forum said about a GK who was saving our ass for years is inexcusable.
And, yeah, let us give a chance to the best goalie in the Championship last year, like we were the ones who got promoted, who was also criticized when he got the chance to start. Especially with Maguire and Lindelof in front of him. That would be a laugh.
Let's face it. Ever since Rio and Vida retired we had horrible defense. No goalkeeper would stay the same after years of watching mediocre playershelping him to save his goal. And yes, he made some horrible mistakes in the past couple of years, but come on, do you really think he is the main guy to blame.
Let us give Grant a chance, everything will be hunky dory
And, yeah, let us give a chance to the best goalie in the Championship last year, like we were the ones who got promoted, who was also criticized when he got the chance to start. Especially with Maguire and Lindelof in front of him. That would be a laugh.
Let's face it. Ever since Rio and Vida retired we had horrible defense. No goalkeeper would stay the same after years of watching mediocre playershelping him to save his goal. And yes, he made some horrible mistakes in the past couple of years, but come on, do you really think he is the main guy to blame.
Let us give Grant a chance, everything will be hunky dory
Henderson played a full season of Premier League football last season, not Championship. He also, as you said, had a stellar year of Championship football before that.
Your post is just false from first sentence to the last.
Sorry, I am still in 2020. very well know when he played for Sheffield in both tiers. And so what, he is suddenly good enough to cover for the worst CB pair in the last God knows how many years that oplayed for United. As for the rest, I rememvber his great save against Liverpool last season And what he did when he almost gifted a goal in his first game in PL for us.
As I a have stated DDG form has declined a lot, but Dean Henderson along Lindelof and Maguire.. gimme a break
This post is pure, unadulterated nonsense. Let me deconstruct it point by point, because it is wrong from top to bottom.
Paragraph 1: Rubbish. Criticism is exactly what people are doing. I’ve read through this thread and no one said anything personal. If he’s an average goalkeeper these days who makes a lot of mistakes, then people have to say so.
Paragraph 2: Again, wrong. Firstly, Dean was one of the top keepers in the Premier League last year. The Premier League. He was the main man and POTY in a team with the lowest wage bill, helping them, who Wilder himself described as a League 1 standard team, finish in a remarkable 9th place. They’re now bottom without him. He’s also only received vehement criticism once in his starts, for the mistake at Sheffield. Finally, if he can play behind League 1 defenders like Egan and Basham, why not behind Maguire and Lindelof?
Paragraph 3: No matter the quality of defenders De Gea has in front of him, it does not excuse him 2 years of rubbish performances here. No serious big team would tolerate that. So, by your own admission, he hasn’t stayed the same, meaning he’s got worse, so why should we still persevere with him? We can’t challenge for titles with a keeper who by your own admission has declined.
Paragraph 4: The worst bit: comparing Dean to Grant.
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Great post. Thank you for that.
Just for comparison, do you also have Dean Henderson's shots saved statistics (if not from this season then maybe from last season with Sheffield)?
He's intercepting a low, hard pass - all he can do is get in its way. He can't hold it or box it, and he has no possibility to put strength on it. Pushing it back the way it came would have been colossally stupid - if it hadn't given Calvert-Lewin another chance, it might have bounced back into the net. He don't know and can't know what's coming up behind him, as he's having had to spend a good few seconds with his attention glued to DCL. His only option is leaving it altogether, but that would not have been less risky than what he did. Someone comes in on the far post, and that's an open goal. If he directs it out, at least it changes the direction of the ball and is harder to anticipate. He did the only thing he could do.
This is the weirdest excuse I've ever seen for a GK not doing his job. And it's not like he is expected to pull wondersaves, he isn't even getting the basics right.
I blame De Gea for more goals than any particular defense player this season so yeah, I'd replace him first. There's a huge chance a new GK will at least give some confidence to back 4, because with De Gea in goal it's clearly lacking.
This is a lot of words, almost all of which I think the majority of people who watch that piece of action will disagree with. He’s under no pressure, it’s a poor outside of the foot pass, not a hard shot, and it’s well within his reach, he’s not at full stretch. A keeper of any decent standing just deals with this.
he could punch at it for distance. He attempt to catch it outright. Most keepers in this situation given it’s not a crowded penalty area would have soft hands and take what little pace their was on the ball off of it and drop on it at the second attempt. What he actually did was criminal at any level. He patted it squarely into the most dangerous place he could of. Awful goalkeeping and any attempt at describing it as anything else just comes off as delusional to me. Just my opinion like.
Discussing whether or not he was at fault for the first goal is just hiding the real issue here. I can’t really see how anyone could have been watching him for the last two years and believe he’s the person to play in goal for a title winning team.
Looking back now, I feel like we maybe could have looked at Henderson on loan for one more year, maybe at an even higher level if possible. I don’t think he’s really gaining anything by playing 1 in 4 games.
Looking back now, I feel like we maybe could have looked at Henderson on loan for one more year, maybe at an even higher level if possible. I don’t think he’s really gaining anything by playing 1 in 4 games.
2 goals almost entirely his fault. I was the biggest fan, but this year he has been AWFUL. Drop him. How many points does he need to cost us?
The first mistake changes the whole game and gives Everton the lift to drive on. The second is and always has been his weakness, he's a, pussy.
He's got to get out at the feet of the player, Schmeichel, VDS would have been out closing the distance.
Not only does it give you more chance of saving it, it also gives the striker more doubt about scoring it.
Dropping him has to happen for me, these mistakes aren't a new thing and you can't have sentiment in football, he contiunely costs us in big football matches. If I were a teammate I'd be looking at the manager myself and saying we can't keep putting in this effort only to be let down by our keeper time and time again.
He's got to get out at the feet of the player, Schmeichel, VDS would have been out closing the distance.
Not only does it give you more chance of saving it, it also gives the striker more doubt about scoring it.
Dropping him has to happen for me, these mistakes aren't a new thing and you can't have sentiment in football, he contiunely costs us in big football matches. If I were a teammate I'd be looking at the manager myself and saying we can't keep putting in this effort only to be let down by our keeper time and time again.
Seconded. It was the worst thing he could do. The only way they score from that situation. He fecking assisted it. Nothing else would’ve caused a problem.
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