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With a ball coming that far into the box we should be holding the line a little higher and having a keeper come out to try and catch the long ball - instead we sink deeper and deeper because he’s glued to his line like a scared child.

If he wasn’t so timid he could have read the flick on and came out ASAP to make the block. Ederson/Allison save that IMO.
 
Highest paid goalkeeper with the second worst save ratio in the league
 
Some statistics for all the 'it woz the defence' posters who are once again hammering our CBs for being so terrible that they conceded three shots on target (arguably two if you excuse the one the GK directly causes) in a game against top six opposition.

These are the statistics for the shots on target faced by the GKs currently playing for our main rivals

GOALKEEPERSHOTS FACEDSAVEDGA% SAVES
LLORIS89672275
EDERSON44321273
ALISSON52371571
SCHMEICHEL86612571
MENDY45311469
PICKFORD70482269
DE GEA69422761

As you can all clearly see, De Gea is BY FAR the worst GK, in terms of actually saving shots (his job). That's before you even get into the fact that most, if not all, of the GKs above have other standout attributes beyond shot-stopping i.e. Schmeichel = command of area, Ederson = passing out from the back, Alisson = playing as a sweeper-keeper.

Then, I have tried to break that down into something meaningful to show you how big of an impact those numbers have, because on their own I understand it's quite hard to quantify what the difference is between 61% save rate and 71% save rate, for example.

Here is what would happen if a GK with the same percentage save rate as De Gea played for each of our rivals

IF DEA PLAYED FOR…SHOTS FACEDSAVEDGADIFF +/-
TOTTENHAM89543513
MAN CITY4427175
LIVERPOOL5232205
LEICESTER8652349
CHELSEA4527184
EVERTON7043275

As you can see, the difference is stark. Chelsea and Everton, neither of whom have good GKs, are both 4 and 5 goals better off respectively. Man City and Liverpool, despite facing a relatively small number of shots, are still five goals worse off. In the case of Man City, that is nearly a 50% increase on their TOTAL goals conceded this year.

Imagine what would happen if De Gea were in goal at Spurs or Leicester! The stats tell you those teams wouldn't even be in a top four race, having conceded 13 and 9 more goals.

See, this is the difference between the good posters (like me) and the bad ones. Many come on here bleating about stuff, mainly influenced by simple narratives pushed by sh**e pundits who don't know their arse from their elbow.

Some of us take the time to dig a bit deeper. The FACT is that United don't concede an unusual number of shots on target and we don't give away an unusual number of good chances. The FACT (sorry to get a Rafa) is that De Gea saves significantly LESS of these shots than his counterparts at our main rivals.

Again, I repeat, this is even before you consider his other major flaws as a GK, compared with the more aggressive, pro-active goalkeeping styles of players like Alisson, Ederson or Schemeichel.

The FACT is people....you can bleat about the defence all you like but football teams will always concede shots on target. No manager yet has worked out how to stop the opposition having ANY shots. No defence yet has been good enough to go an entire PL season without conceding shots on target (FACT).

Therefore, when teams inevitably DO have shots on target, like the three they had on target tonight (I repeat, one as a result of a direct goalkeeping error), it would be quite nice if the t**t between the sticks would have the good grace not to move out the way of at least one for his £350K per week.

If any of you want to seriously argue with me that our defence is poor because a top six team had three (arguably two) shots on our goal then go for it, I'm all ears....
First time I raised this point (his low % of shots saved) it didn't seem to bother people too much.

It's not that bad when you put it into context of xG we concede per 90', but he's still around 13th place in the League.

I think our defense could've done better on the second Everton goal. The third was just something that happens, but the first one was a Massive De Gea mistake.
 
Yeah I'm officially out on him. It's funny because I've actually notice marked improvements with his distribution out of the back, but he's always been a keeper that lacked bravery but would make up for it with incredible shot stopping. Well if he isn't stopping shots as well it just becomes a liability. And no Henderson isn't the answer either.
 
Well you have explained wrong then! :lol:

I get differences of opinion but I'm baffled as to how a tame parry from a tame cross to a player stood one yard out with an open goal can be anything other than a mistake!

I mean, half this forum do all kinds of mental gymnastics to blame Maguire for every single goal we concede and here you are defending THAT by De Gea!

Let me ask you this....same scenario....DCL crosses the ball and Maguire gets his feet in a tangle, the ball bounces off him under no pressure and falls to Dacourte, who slots it past a stranded De Gea. Do you defend Maguire and say 'it wasn't a mistake'?

Do you balls. I rest my case.

Judging by your use of stats, it's hardly a surprise that you don't understand why it's not a mistake either.

Thorstvedt essentially has the same interpretation of the situation as me.
It's too far out to get a proper punch on it and there's little chance of holding it. He doesnt know what's behind him and if the cross is going to an unmarked player, so he does the only thing he can do, tries to get it out. Shaw is easily more to blame in this situation, he goes from having complete control to only watching the ball, there's no way he should be allowing doucoure to get ahead of him
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First time I raised this point (his low % of shots saved) it didn't seem to bother people too much.

It's not that bad when you put it into context of xG we concede per 90', but he's still around 13th place in the League.

I think our defense could've done better on the second Everton goal. The third was just something that happens, but the first one was a Massive De Gea mistake.

I think the other key point @Borys is that De Gea's mistakes seem to come at critical points in games. If you look at WHEN De Gea has made mistakes, they usually cost us points.

We were absolutely coasting in that game, DDG drops a clanger to let them back into the game and that's it, two points dropped.

I can guarantee every player in that United changing room will have been muttering about De Gea after the game. They know he is gone. He probably knows he is gone. It is on Ole now to put him out of his misery
 
Judging by your use of stats, it's hardly a surprise that you don't understand why it's not a mistake either.

Thorstvedt essentially has the same interpretation of the situation as me.
It's too far out to get a proper punch on it and there's little chance of holding it. He doesnt know what's behind him and if the cross is going to an unmarked player, so he does the only thing he can do, tries to get it out. Shaw is easily more to blame in this situation, he goes from having complete control to only watching the ball, there's no way he should be allowing doucoure to get ahead of him
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OK....well you and some bloke who played in goal for Spurs about 25 years ago can believe it was Shaw's fault then and the other 99.99% of us can believe it was DDGs fault. I'm going to bed :lol:
 
Yeah I'm officially out on him. It's funny because I've actually notice marked improvements with his distribution out of the back, but he's always been a keeper that lacked bravery but would make up for it with incredible shot stopping. Well if he isn't stopping shots as well it just becomes a liability. And no Henderson isn't the answer either.
How can you say Henderson isn't the answer without a run of games? An absolute stupid comment. DeGea earns 300K + a week, and at this rate he needs to make a difference not be a liability, if there were real leaders in the dressing room like we had in the past they would rip this Spanish frauds head off. Ferguson made the big call back in 1990 dropping Leighton but he didn't earn 15M + a year, will Ole have the same level of management skills?
 


This was his biggest mistake.

Keeper errors happen, this is just shocking decision making. Pump it into the corner for a throw by the corner flag and we can close them instead.

Instead he drives straight down the the centre and they win the ball back.
 
He will keep a cleansheet against West Brom having faced zero shots on target, and all will be forgotten.
He'll make a couple of regulation saves and the whole outlook will change again. The same applies to a number of other players too.
 
Well you have explained wrong then! :lol:

I get differences of opinion but I'm baffled as to how a tame parry from a tame cross to a player stood one yard out with an open goal can be anything other than a mistake!

I mean, half this forum do all kinds of mental gymnastics to blame Maguire for every single goal we concede and here you are defending THAT by De Gea!

Let me ask you this....same scenario....DCL crosses the ball and Maguire gets his feet in a tangle, the ball bounces off him under no pressure and falls to Dacourte, who slots it past a stranded De Gea. Do you defend Maguire and say 'it wasn't a mistake'?

Do you balls. I rest my case.

Okay. So, what exactly was De Gea supposed to have done instead?
 
What’s most sobering these days is his lack of emotion when he concedes a goal. Him being so soulless is what hurts the most. I saw a post earlier comparing him to Karius before Alisson arrived at Liverpool and I’d say that’s about the right comparison these days. Therefore we can not win anything full stop sadly.
 
OK....well you and some bloke who played in goal for Spurs about 25 years ago can believe it was Shaw's fault then and the other 99.99% of us can believe it was DDGs fault. I'm going to bed :lol:

There's a difference between saying it's Shaws fault and that Shaw is more to blame than De Gea. I reckon even you should be able to understand that
 
How can you say Henderson isn't the answer without a run of games? An absolute stupid comment. DeGea earns 300K + a week, and at this rate he needs to make a difference not be a liability, if there were real leaders in the dressing room like we had in the past they would rip this Spanish frauds head off. Ferguson made the big call back in 1990 dropping Leighton but he didn't earn 15M + a year, will Ole have the same level of management skills?

I think you mistake me as saying Henderson is terrible, which I don't think he is, but long term watching him both with us and back at Sheffield I don't think he's quite good enough for a team looking to get back to the top of the league and Europe. Absolutely he should be given the chance for the time being though. I was more speaking to looking to find a top keeper in coming transfer windows.
 
Judging by your use of stats, it's hardly a surprise that you don't understand why it's not a mistake either.

Thorstvedt essentially has the same interpretation of the situation as me.
It's too far out to get a proper punch on it and there's little chance of holding it. He doesnt know what's behind him and if the cross is going to an unmarked player, so he does the only thing he can do, tries to get it out. Shaw is easily more to blame in this situation, he goes from having complete control to only watching the ball, there's no way he should be allowing doucoure to get ahead of him
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The audacity to blame Shaw for this goal and use still images of a live game to prove your point. You've made me very mad, if that was your intent, well done.

Shaw was stunned in disbelief of what he'd just seen his keeper do. It was a nothing ball across the face of goal. De Gea could have left it for Shaw to easily clear. Instead, de Gea cushions it perfectly to the Everton player with such a weak and indecisive hand to the cross.



This was his biggest mistake.

Keeper errors happen, this is just shocking decision making. Pump it into the corner for a throw by the corner flag and we can close them instead.

Instead he drives straight down the the centre and they win the ball back.

Unbelievable that he booted it straight down the middle like that. Why not play it short and retain possession with seconds remaining or simply boot it as near to the corner as possible like you said. So, so stupid.
 
Where to start!!

Pathetic for the first goal which then led to them being encouraged to get the second.

Should have been braver/better/stronger for their third. Zero command of his 6 yard box.

the free kick on 94 mins should have gone much deeper. He just about got it low and into their half.

Even at 90 mins he had hold of the ball and rushed the kick instead of holding on to the bloomin thing. Quick turnover.

I liken him to Will Smith film. Wild Wild West. I can only assume he has one of those things around his neck and his head will explode if he wanders 7 yards from the goal line.

not as damning but they swung in a long free kick from deep. Over everybody’s head. You could see Maguires frustration that even in that instance he didn’t come off his line and collect a simple ball. He just let it roll out for a goal kick. Maguire was waving his arms around as if to say....come and get that. Thankfully no danger but quite frankly it was baffling that he didn’t run 8 yards to gather
 
The audacity to blame Shaw for this goal and use still images of a live game to prove your point. You've made me very mad, if that was your intent, well done.

Shaw was stunned in disbelief of what he'd just seen his keeper do. It was a nothing ball across the face of goal. De Gea could have left it for Shaw to easily clear. Instead, de Gea cushions it perfectly to the Everton player with such a weak and indecisive hand to the cross.


Unbelievable that he booted it straight down the middle like that. Why not play it short and retain possession with seconds remaining or simply boot it as near to the corner as possible like you said. So, so stupid.
The only thing I can think of is he thought he'd pump it and the ref would blow the whistle as usually happens and would have happened if we didn't make a sub.
 
Where to start!!

Pathetic for the first goal which then led to them being encouraged to get the second.

Should have been braver/better/stronger for their third. Zero command of his 6 yard box.

the free kick on 94 mins should have gone much deeper. He just about got it low and into their half.

Even at 90 mins he had hold of the ball and rushed the kick instead of holding on to the bloomin thing. Quick turnover.

I liken him to Will Smith film. Wild Wild West. I can only assume he has one of those things around his neck and his head will explode if he wanders 7 yards from the goal line.

not as damning but they swung in a long free kick from deep. Over everybody’s head. You could see Maguires frustration that even in that instance he didn’t come off his line and collect a simple ball. He just let it roll out for a goal kick. Maguire was waving his arms around as if to say....come and get that. Thankfully no danger but quite frankly it was baffling that he didn’t run 8 yards to gather

"Just about"
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Judging by your use of stats, it's hardly a surprise that you don't understand why it's not a mistake either.

Thorstvedt essentially has the same interpretation of the situation as me.
It's too far out to get a proper punch on it and there's little chance of holding it. He doesnt know what's behind him and if the cross is going to an unmarked player, so he does the only thing he can do, tries to get it out. Shaw is easily more to blame in this situation, he goes from having complete control to only watching the ball, there's no way he should be allowing doucoure to get ahead of him
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Agreed. De Gea should’ve got stuck in for the last goal. I don’t see this as the glaring error some want it to be
 
I've had it with him. It's just mistake after mistake and it can't carry on.

Not saying Henderson is the remedy, but I think DDG has dined out on his past excellence, and anyway leeway for cock-ups has well and truly expired.

On top of the silly fumbles, he just is not commanding enough. You could have prime Jaap and prime Rio in front of him and he would still be as timid as ever.

I feel sorry in a way for him, in that when he was in his prime, we were going through (arguably still are) a transitional period, or were otherwise shit.

This club should not have sentiment, no matter what has happened in the past, this is not acceptable.

I know that all of the back line, besides AWB, was culpable, but he ain't getting any better.
 
He should be hitting the corner flags from where he took it. And it’s nice and central

I agree he should've booted it towards their corner flag, out for a throw in, but i'm not sure why we're pretending he "just about got it low and into their half"
 


This was his biggest mistake.

Keeper errors happen, this is just shocking decision making. Pump it into the corner for a throw by the corner flag and we can close them instead.

Instead he drives straight down the the centre and they win the ball back.


The kick out he did 2 seconds after claiming the throw in the 90th was even worse... Waste some feckin time man.
 
Judging by your use of stats, it's hardly a surprise that you don't understand why it's not a mistake either.

Thorstvedt essentially has the same interpretation of the situation as me.
It's too far out to get a proper punch on it and there's little chance of holding it. He doesnt know what's behind him and if the cross is going to an unmarked player, so he does the only thing he can do, tries to get it out. Shaw is easily more to blame in this situation, he goes from having complete control to only watching the ball, there's no way he should be allowing doucoure to get ahead of him
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I think they're both at fault there, Shaw asleep for goal 1 and 2, de Gea for goal 1 and 3.
 
Maguire got smoked by Calvert-Lewin but De Gea has to get a stronger palm on that half hearted toe poke.
 
The kick out he did 2 seconds after claiming the throw in the 90th was even worse... Waste some feckin time man.
I actually don't agree with that, of course In hindsight yea, but he released rashford 1 v 1 with Godfrey who on another day is able to slide greenwood to seal the win.
 
Either palm/punch it with strength so it goes out of the box, catch it or push it back the way it came, or know you're angles and what's around you and leave it all together.

:lol: :lol:
Christ

In terms of knowing your angles and what's around you, Calvert Lewin is in a position to shoot, any goalkeeper in that situation is keeping his eye on the ball and covering the near post. He has no way whatsoever of knowing if there's a player coming in from behind for a tap in from that cross.
 
Some statistics for all the 'it woz the defence' posters who are once again hammering our CBs for being so terrible that they conceded three shots on target (arguably two if you excuse the one the GK directly causes) in a game against top six opposition.

These are the statistics for the shots on target faced by the GKs currently playing for our main rivals

GOALKEEPERSHOTS FACEDSAVEDGA% SAVES
LLORIS89672275
EDERSON44321273
ALISSON52371571
SCHMEICHEL86612571
MENDY45311469
PICKFORD70482269
DE GEA69422761

As you can all clearly see, De Gea is BY FAR the worst GK, in terms of actually saving shots (his job). That's before you even get into the fact that most, if not all, of the GKs above have other standout attributes beyond shot-stopping i.e. Schmeichel = command of area, Ederson = passing out from the back, Alisson = playing as a sweeper-keeper.

Then, I have tried to break that down into something meaningful to show you how big of an impact those numbers have, because on their own I understand it's quite hard to quantify what the difference is between 61% save rate and 71% save rate, for example.

Here is what would happen if a GK with the same percentage save rate as De Gea played for each of our rivals

IF DEA PLAYED FOR…SHOTS FACEDSAVEDGADIFF +/-
TOTTENHAM89543513
MAN CITY4427175
LIVERPOOL5232205
LEICESTER8652349
CHELSEA4527184
EVERTON7043275

As you can see, the difference is stark. Chelsea and Everton, neither of whom have good GKs, are both 4 and 5 goals better off respectively. Man City and Liverpool, despite facing a relatively small number of shots, are still five goals worse off. In the case of Man City, that is nearly a 50% increase on their TOTAL goals conceded this year.

Imagine what would happen if De Gea were in goal at Spurs or Leicester! The stats tell you those teams wouldn't even be in a top four race, having conceded 13 and 9 more goals.

See, this is the difference between the good posters (like me) and the bad ones. Many come on here bleating about stuff, mainly influenced by simple narratives pushed by sh**e pundits who don't know their arse from their elbow.

Some of us take the time to dig a bit deeper. The FACT is that United don't concede an unusual number of shots on target and we don't give away an unusual number of good chances. The FACT (sorry to get a Rafa) is that De Gea saves significantly LESS of these shots than his counterparts at our main rivals.

Again, I repeat, this is even before you consider his other major flaws as a GK, compared with the more aggressive, pro-active goalkeeping styles of players like Alisson, Ederson or Schemeichel.

The FACT is people....you can bleat about the defence all you like but football teams will always concede shots on target. No manager yet has worked out how to stop the opposition having ANY shots. No defence yet has been good enough to go an entire PL season without conceding shots on target (FACT).

Therefore, when teams inevitably DO have shots on target, like the three they had on target tonight (I repeat, one as a result of a direct goalkeeping error), it would be quite nice if the t**t between the sticks would have the good grace not to move out the way of at least one for his £350K per week.

If any of you want to seriously argue with me that our defence is poor because a top six team had three (arguably two) shots on our goal then go for it, I'm all ears....

The fact that he's performing worse than Pickford is the final nail in the coffin.

He needs replacing and Henderson is not the answer. We need an elite keeper at the top of his game.
 
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