There probably isn't much between him and Henderson. De Gea is perhaps a slightly better shot stopper (Henderson is very good in this area also), but Henderson seems more proactive/assertive. He may not be the answer, but I don't think De Gea is either. Therefore he deserves his chance. I'd like to see our wage bill back under control and if you have two players of a similar ability, I'd rather back the lesser earner. Particularly if he is younger.
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Not at fault for any of the 3 goal conceded. My question is where is our 80mln captain?
We have to accept that we won't win a league title with David, let's thank him for his service and go for Henderson next year.
He just doesn't seem to have that commanding aura - keepers like Emi Martinez and Ederson fly off their line and anticipate that Schmeichel esque. We need to try something different. Same player, same results you see.
He just doesn't seem to have that commanding aura - keepers like Emi Martinez and Ederson fly off their line and anticipate that Schmeichel esque. We need to try something different. Same player, same results you see.
The third goal is definitely on him. He could have collected the ball but didn't, showing his long standing aversion to coming off of his line. He could have made himself big and taken a hit but instead turned his back away from the ball and player.
Harry Maguire was done by the deflection on the cross.
We've won the league with De Gea. Agree that Henderson deserves an honest chance though, David has declined massively these past couple of years.
Ah sorry I meant 'win it again'.
It's a strange feeling as we are used to Dave in net but I would look to see how the organisation of our backline changes, for better or for worse..
Posted this is another thread. Schmeichel describing Ben Foster in relation to how a goalkeeper must fit the team style. I think a lot what he says here can be applied to De Gea now.
The time has definitely come to give Henderson a good run in goal.
DDG has made so many errors over the past couple of seasons and whether or not Henderson is good enough long term to be our number 1, Ole has to be brave and show some balls because if he doesn't he is going to come across as very weak and indecisive
DDG has made so many errors over the past couple of seasons and whether or not Henderson is good enough long term to be our number 1, Ole has to be brave and show some balls because if he doesn't he is going to come across as very weak and indecisive
Absolutely, and when the best goalkeeper ever speaks, you listen.
I've thought about this quite a bit too.
Even thinking back to the days of VDS, whenever he got injured and PIG or Foster went in goal, our back four didn't seem as settled and composed. And even that was with a world class defense including Rio, Vidic, and Evra - a far cry from what we have now.
His positioning affects the whole mentality of the team, he's scared to come off his line so the team accommodate this.
Look at the pass from Henderson against West Ham ,De Gea doesnt do this because he's not pro active enough and we'd have probably not won that game.
He turned away from the ball for RBL's 3rd, that's unforgivable.
I'm starting to believe that we'll improve defensively if Henderson is given a run of games.
Look at the pass from Henderson against West Ham ,De Gea doesnt do this because he's not pro active enough and we'd have probably not won that game.
He turned away from the ball for RBL's 3rd, that's unforgivable.
I'm starting to believe that we'll improve defensively if Henderson is given a run of games.
Perfect opportunity to give Henderson a proper run and Solskjaer hasn't the nerve to drop De Gea.
Degea was culpable for either one or both Soton goals depending on how you look at it and could surely have made more of an effort for 1st goal and criminal for the 3rd against Leipzig. I feared the worst and told my mates Degea would cost us if he returned as he always has this fear creep in him whenever he's injured like he did against Soton. But more I blame the guy who played him with Henderson on the bench. We would never have beaten West Ham without the comeback 1st goal resulting from his long kick so for Ole to go back and resort back to DeGea just leaves a pang of regret and I detest Ole for it.
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De Geas distribution is awful, other than that he didn’t have a lot to do.
Not good enough, the hesitation to come off his line will always make this team looks worse defensively than it is.
Made 1 good save (Mahrez), came out of the box well once, had nothing to do besides that.
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Surprised nobody has claimed it’s his fault we didn’t win yet. Did exactly what we needed him to today.
Did well overall, but wasn’t really tested.
appalling isn’t it. Just seems to be getting worse. I can’t understand how he struggles so much to get the ball into the air. It seems most of his kicks are daisy cutters that go straight to the opposition.
Because he does not practice kicking. If you do not practice kicking then you cannot kick during the match.
Just have to find some stick to beat him with today eh?
Ederson is supposed to be some ball playing gk and his kicking was worse
Ederson is supposed to be some ball playing gk and his kicking was worse
Seriously I don't understand how his kicking is so bad when he's been a pro at the top level for over a decade.
This club hasn’t had a player who can cross a football for six years, let that sink in. Telles, who’s well known for his delivery looks like he’s regressing in that area.
Surely it's too quickly for a player to regress. They must be being told something about changing their delivery/long balls.
It’s all about the coaching, there’s a lot of truth to the running joke on this forum about players turning to shit when they come to this club. Bruno’s the only one who’s held up for a decent amount of time.
Although I want him to be replaced, he was really good today. He deserves credit when we don't concede especially since he always get the blame for goals. He kept us in the game with that save and was generally safe today.
His distribution may not be the best but City's tactics were to disrupt our eagerness to build from the back. We don't have midfielders who are comfortable on the ball and so most of the time there was no outlet. Blaming him for distribution today is incredibly harsh. Deserves the clean sheet today.
Overall though, we need to look ahead and replace him soon - preferably with someone who can get off his line to sweep balls an make himself bigger during corners, set-pieces, and one-on-one situations.
His distribution may not be the best but City's tactics were to disrupt our eagerness to build from the back. We don't have midfielders who are comfortable on the ball and so most of the time there was no outlet. Blaming him for distribution today is incredibly harsh. Deserves the clean sheet today.
Overall though, we need to look ahead and replace him soon - preferably with someone who can get off his line to sweep balls an make himself bigger during corners, set-pieces, and one-on-one situations.
He doesn't make this kind of saves anymore now does he.
His saves nowadays seem "slow" - is he declining or improving?
His saves nowadays seem "slow" - is he declining or improving?
Video of his saves from the season just gone:
There are plenty of saves there as good or better than the ones in the video you posted.
The problem isn't his reflexes or an inability to make excellent saves, it's the stupid mistakes he's been making over the last few years. The large majority of which involved shots he had seemingly comfortably covered going in through/off his hands.
Whatever has gone wrong for him, its gone wrong inside his head.
When you lose something then you see what you have lost. He is among best gk in the league and i hope that this will be the end of Ole trying to find games for Hendo.
Ddg is no1 and he must play every game. Hendo can play in league cup and that is it
Ddg is no1 and he must play every game. Hendo can play in league cup and that is it
We've lsot nothing, Henderson has been as bad/good today as De Gea over the last 2 years on average. But Henderson can get better, De Gea will stay average for United, since it is a mentality issue.
This.People are harsh on DDG.Neur,Oblak, etc al have mistake in them but are still World Class.Just like DDG.
He is in top 5 gk in Europe. He had 2 average seasons after 6 excellent seasons. And he is 30y old. Next 5 years he is our no1
We've lsot nothing, Henderson has been as bad/good today as De Gea over the last 2 years on average. But Henderson can get better, De Gea will stay shite for United, since it is a mentality issue.
Sorry for doubting you for Mr De Gea. Ready to start again?
For sure he is. Based on the last 2 seasons, i doubt he is even top 20. You know it as well
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. Neuer and Oblak are better now, i admit that. Except them i don't see any keeper for who i would say that is clearly better. And yes, not even Alisson or whoever
For sure he is. Based on the last 2 seasons, i doubt he is even top 20. You know it as well
De Gea is number 1 and rightly so. Today showed that Henderson’s clearly not ready to overtake that spot. De Gea is still Spains no1 and United no1. There’s nothing to discuss about.
Allison is better, not many mistakes I can think of and some very good saves, and last 2 seasons Ter Stegen was far better too, kept Barca in the league. DDG has been 1 tier below that since 2019.
Still number 1 for me, and like Pogba, seems to be a player everybody loves to hate.
I get for Pogba but why DDG. He was 100% pro last 8 years. Never did a single bad thing plus he was our best player in half of those seasons. I don't get it. From all players in our squad, Dave is the last one who deserves any hate or dislike
He's put under the microscope in a way that will make any player ever look awful
There are some deluded people in here. ”Top 5 GK in Europe” when he actually isn’t a top 10 GK in the Premier League.
All of these are better in PL:
1. Alisson
2. Lloris
3. Martinez
4. Rui Patricio
5. Schmeichel
6. Leno
7. Pope
8. Fabianski
9. Mendy
10. McCarthy
...I could still possibly add Matty Ryan, Areola, Guaita, Ederson is debatable etc.
And outside PL, just off the top of my head:
1. Neuer
2. Oblak
3. Ter Stegen
4. Courtois
5. Navas
6. Szczesny
7. Hradecky
8. Sommer
9. Donnarumma
10. Anthony Lopes
11. Handanovic
Does not mean he can’t still do the job on his day, but most days he can’t and that’s not acceptable. Compared with these other keepers, he’s very limited and avoids risks and responsibility. His mistakes are almost never due to taking risks, which makes those mistakes happening every second or third game even worse.
All of these are better in PL:
1. Alisson
2. Lloris
3. Martinez
4. Rui Patricio
5. Schmeichel
6. Leno
7. Pope
8. Fabianski
9. Mendy
10. McCarthy
...I could still possibly add Matty Ryan, Areola, Guaita, Ederson is debatable etc.
And outside PL, just off the top of my head:
1. Neuer
2. Oblak
3. Ter Stegen
4. Courtois
5. Navas
6. Szczesny
7. Hradecky
8. Sommer
9. Donnarumma
10. Anthony Lopes
11. Handanovic
Does not mean he can’t still do the job on his day, but most days he can’t and that’s not acceptable. Compared with these other keepers, he’s very limited and avoids risks and responsibility. His mistakes are almost never due to taking risks, which makes those mistakes happening every second or third game even worse.
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