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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-says-david-de-22382288Man Utd pay him more than 6 times the weekly salary that Ederson gets at City, and more than 4 times the weekly salary of Alisson gets at Liverpool!
Jose demanding we pay Alexis £450,000 a week was a much bigger mistake. And Jose tends to have an anti-Utd agenda when he talks about us these days.https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-says-david-de-22382288
Sometimes he talks sense
"De Gea? I think the moment when he signed his huge contract, is the moment I don't think United needs to pay as much as that to have him," Mourinho told Sky Sports.
"One or two years ago he had the world after him, in this moment, the majority of the big doors were closed.
Mourinho added: "I don't see the pressure. Who is going to pay David these numbers? (De Gea) gets a phenomenal contract in a moment where he's a bit lucky to get it. Is he good? Yes, he's very good.
"David is much better on the line than coming out. I think in goal, his agility and technical level is second to none.
He is making me a bit nervous just because we need results and I have memories of this time last season. When the pressure is on he seems to crumble a bit. That said, I don't feel we have another option right now and Henderson isn't the answer. If we keep outscoring our opponents we should be fine.
Did Jose demand we pay these wages? Could just be desperation and our "transfer commitee?" Does the manager decide the wages or have anything to do with it? I doubt Ole suggested how much we pay De Gea.Jose demanding we pay Alexis £450,000 a week was a much bigger mistake. And Jose tends to have an anti-Utd agenda when he talks about us these days.
But yeah seems like a huge mistake but it is strange as De Gea is at an age where he should be thriving as a keeper.
Jose absolutely knows how to throw a tantrum at a board to try and get his way. He knows how to pressure them to get what he wants. They didn't buy him Peresic and he never stopped whinging about it and kept blaming poor performances on the fact he never got Peresic. So the board got sick of his whinging so went out and spent an amount on an ageing player that they would never normally have dreamed of paying.Did Jose demand we pay these wages? Could just be desperation and our "transfer commitee?" Does the manager decide the wages or have anything to do with it? I doubt Ole suggested how much we pay De Gea.
true. He is a real diva/drama queen. he would of said "sign him at all costs"Jose absolutely knows how to throw a tantrum at a board to try and get his way. He knows how to pressure them to get what he wants. They didn't buy him Peresic and he never stopped whinging about it and kept blaming poor performances on the fact he never got Peresic. So the board got sick of his whinging so went out and spent an amount on an ageing player that they would never normally have dreamed of paying.
I always believe competition breeds exellence, even more so in football. If his confidence is shot after he got dropped, then it is absolutely the right decision to drop him and move on. No one is granted a position in this club, we are United ffs. Everybody should fight for their spot. If he is not dropped after this calamity you wonder what other players will think about it.Agree with this.
OgS has been talking about how competition in attack during his time at the club was key & has warned our forwards he’s always on the look out for strikers etc.
The goalkeeping position should be no different; not dropping DDG is telling him he can do as badly as he likes without any consequence.
I dunno, I do think that’s harsh.In all of his time here, has he actually ever performed under pressure? I know he was our POTY for several seasons, but it was at a time when his performances didn't really have an impact on anything important.
I'm probably being extremely short-sighted, and I'm sure someone will point it out. But it feels that as soon as the pressure is well and truly on (playing for Spain in pressure games, when Champions League qualification is on the line), he can't handle it. It's probably just more of a coincidence that these events have happened while he has been declining.
yes, I agree with you that it’s short sighted and someone should point it out. Feelings are not good tools for getting a good perspective, hence why it’s called knee jerk.In all of his time here, has he actually ever performed under pressure? I know he was our POTY for several seasons, but it was at a time when his performances didn't really have an impact on anything important.
I'm probably being extremely short-sighted, and I'm sure someone will point it out. But it feels that as soon as the pressure is well and truly on (playing for Spain in pressure games, when Champions League qualification is on the line), he can't handle it. It's probably just more of a coincidence that these events have happened while he has been declining.
This. He had been critized in Spain before, but that world cup just broke him. Before that he was playing to a really high level, it would be inconceivable to see him make stupid mistakes, now he still make some spectacular saves, but the continuos stupid errors are over the hill. I dont think there's any other keeper in the premier league with that amount of mistakes.It seems like the world cup in 2018 broke him
Some stats to confirm what we already know. His shot stopping has gone to shit (over last 18 months) which means there’s no longer any justification for us to tolerate his long term flaw of being painfully slow off his line. He’s gone from being arguably the best keepers in the league to one of the very worst. This is a huge problem.
Totally agree. Also we were well beaten by Chelsea even without the error. Slack defending throughout the game. The had a free header early on that they should have scored.It's definitely not a question of ability. There's something wrong with his concentration, which presumably is easily handled. I'd hate to drop him for the rest for the rest of the season but it may be best for Dave in the long run to be dropped, take whatever time he needs to sort things out, and come back pissed off and ready to prove himself. As I see it, this is the only way forward.
Ole doesn't need to be cruel about it publicly and say things that need not be said, but given the importance of the next two league games he has to act boldly. I believe he will have the fans behind him if he starts Romero for West Ham...unless he sees something in training between now and then that reassures him that Dave is fully focused on the task before him.
Little Glace of his mistakes this season. Some cost us valuable points
I'm a massive fan of de Gea and championed him well before people came to accept the man as one of (if not) the best in the world back in 2013. But this is damning evidence. A couple of these a season, you'd maybe accept under normal circumstances. It's a staggering drop-off.
And the odd thing is, Palace away before the FA Cup semi was probably his best game since lockdown. Three or four top saves and looked more confident. A lot doesn't really add up.
Little Glace of his mistakes this season. Some cost us valuable points
Watching these, it's just depressing. Not like handling errors, they're the type of things you'd shout at your five aside keeper for letting in. Brutal
Mannnn, these saves are so damn weird to concede. He literally let's it between his hands even though he's done everything to get in position and has his hands in position too.Watching these, it's just depressing. Not like handling errors, they're the type of things you'd shout at your five aside keeper for letting in. Brutal
He has been here for 10 years.. If you stay in one club for a long time and you are one of the best, obviously you will be paid more..Man Utd pay him more than 6 times the weekly salary that Ederson gets at City, and more than 4 times the weekly salary of Alisson gets at Liverpool!
It seems like the world cup in 2018 broke him
I think he needs to see a psychologist. Something is wrong.
It's definitely not a question of ability. There's something wrong with his concentration, which presumably is easily handled. I'd hate to drop him for the rest for the rest of the season but it may be best for Dave in the long run to be dropped, take whatever time he needs to sort things out, and come back pissed off and ready to prove himself. As I see it, this is the only way forward.
Ole doesn't need to be cruel about it publicly and say things that need not be said, but given the importance of the next two league games he has to act boldly. I believe he will have the fans behind him if he starts Romero for West Ham...unless he sees something in training between now and then that reassures him that Dave is fully focused on the task before him.
This. He had been critized in Spain before, but that world cup just broke him. Before that he was playing to a really high level, it would be inconceivable to see him make stupid mistakes, now he still make some spectacular saves, but the continuos stupid errors are over the hill. I dont think there's any other keeper in the premier league with that amount of mistakes.
Watching these, it's just depressing. Not like handling errors, they're the type of things you'd shout at your five aside keeper for letting in. Brutal
Don't agree with any of these. For me, it boils down to what made DdG the beast he used to be. he broke through much younger than most keepers do at top level. He also possessed a "unique" style (at the time) with feet specially. He didn't - and still doesn't - command the box and rely on marshaling a defence to corral strikers in specific ways. Instead, prefers staying on the line and relying on supreme (used to seem superhuman at times) reflexes to keep shots out. His style therefore was a lot more like Casillas than van der Sar. With this, come the downsides. The key one being he relies on being that split second faster than anyone else. If that goes, and it always does go with the passage of time, the edge is gone and he's no longer "special". May well be an above-average keeper still, but not the topmost tier.
From where I see it (and I admit, I was in the "Sell him now as his value and utility is at its peak and will slide" camp 2 years ago), this slide has been slow - and is now accelerating. He made a few errors even in 2017/18, though not in the league (remember Sevilla?). Last year, while we blame the attack and midfield, DdG too was horribly culpable in our collapse and missing Top 4. This season, that propensity to make errors has continued and accelerated. He'll still pull off some mega saves and remind us of "what he's capable of", but this is not reversible. It's not psychological, but physiological and we need to accept it.
People slammed the Madridistas for wanting shot of Casillas. The fact is, he too declined way before "normal" age for keepers. May shock many, but Casillas is still only 39! That's younger than van der Sar was when being peerless in a PL-winning side. Loads said Madrid fans and managers should back "San Iker" to get back to his best - but that was pointless. Pointing to how DdG "should be entering his peak years" is pointless. He's not got those reflexes to call upon with that level of reliability and consistency any more. And the lapses will continue to increase. Slowly, perhaps, but inexorably, as time takes its toll. It's not pressure. What was the pressure during the games against Palace, Watford etc.? The sooner we accept it, the better.
For those that still want to back DdG, citing his "service to the club", just answer a simple question, "Would Fergie have tolerated any player, regardless of service to the club, who ran up this kind of catalogue of disasters?"
That was a horrendous mistake against Watford , Sunday league stuff.The Watford and Everton ones are the worst, you can also see his shoulders and head drop instantly. That one from Sarr, a slow shot goes past his two hands, hits his face and goes in. I mean, fecking hell, every child would save that. It is sabotage at this point.