He obviously trusted Pogba in that situation, but the drawbacks from a poor pass to him, a poor touch by Pogba, a delayed press by the opposing team are all too massive to make the pass one to undertake.
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There would of been a change in routine due to the injuries tbf
He would almost have to commit to the cross as the cross was struck. This is not too goaltending no matter how much the cognoscenti in this thread want it to be the opposite.
Bad decision to pass to Pogba for Southampton's 1st goal.
It’s a bizarre situation, no doubt, but that’s where training ground work comes in play to distill down the information & to make the physical & mental output on the play become rote.
His save today was a basic save that he made look better than it actually was. You pull across to get that little bit of extra extension when at full stretch. It wasn't needed in that save, nor was it needed for Son's header. And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about...
Absolutely he has to commit as soon as it’s swung or else he’s never getting to it. I don’t see how it’s even up for debate with amount of distance and traffic he has to get through.
His fault for me was not for standing on his line. He needs to be organising his defense a lot better. Once it reached Martins it's a done deal. Should he have put a player on each post? Yes I definitely think so.
I don't think it was. Pogba was too nonchalant on that. He also could have given a wall pass straight back to DeGea. Pogba just didn't think he was going to get caught on that...
That’s absolute nonsense. Laughable.
To be fair we were down to 10 men. I think you have to mark your numbers.
He would give a wall pass maybe if he was told he had a man on...
No, you simply don’t. That was the proper save. To say that a bottom hand can make all the saves a top hand can from a height or area standpoint is sheer ignorance. It’s the proper save to make in situations because it’s actually an easier save in outdoor football to make with less possibility of error or injury.
This is true. But judging by which way he turned I think he knew. Looked like he was trying to turn away but I could be wrong
Pogba’s nonchalance was the key detriment here, you are correct.
I was going to make a comment then I read one posters posts and can't be arsed to get the pretentious, self righteous replies.
And in the mood I'm in, I'd reply to them and get thread banned (minimum).
And in the mood I'm in, I'd reply to them and get thread banned (minimum).
Agreed I just think that’s an ideal world, we were coping just fine with their attacks up until the injuries
Yes they had the ball but weren’t doing anything
anyway probably derailing the thread, I do agree prep is key, just think that it often happens 10 men get caught out at times on set plays
When he came out to block their first goal, did he put his body directly behind the ball or did he go to the side of it?
That's exactly why I think he should have pulled everyone back. You look at the far post and how empty it was of defenders. I hate to see empty space for attacking.
There’s no way in hell a goalkeeper should be making that save with anything other than his right hand. His positioning was good, he sees it all the way and he gets a strong hand to it away from danger. Very good save.When you're down a defender that's when you need your keeper to step up more. He should be all over that cross...
It looked as though we had some players playing man & some players in a zonal matchup. That confusion allowed for the far post opponent to get ball side of Lindelöf. I would have loved to have seen everyone on a body with posts covered in this position.
Agree with you. I really don't understand about our coaching on this. We all know how weak he is in commanding the box so why on Earth don't we help him cover his weakness? He never helps his defense. I, for one don't mind in getting another world class keeper. He has been poor for a couple of seasons. A world class keeper is someone who would save everything he is expected to save and save some he is not expected to save.
I know he saves some he is not expected to save but now concede more than a couple he is expected to save.
So, you are of the opinion that he should have collected a ball that was only in the air for 1.7 seconds (give or take), is 45 degrees (or less) away from his starting position when the ball is flicked, roughly eight yards from him when the ball is flicked, & to the near side of his near post when the ball was flicked? Okay. Sounds reasonable.
My point was we didn’t have spare men to put on the post.
De Gea is just not the type of keep to comes out for corners, like Schmeichel did. He is a shot stopper specialist, and doesn’t offer a great deal of other desirable skills.
He should be making that save with both hands. No reason not to. It hasn't happened yet, but one of these days he's going to try to save like that and he's not going to be strong enough on it and it's still going to go in. That "reach across the body" technique is something you do for extra stretch as a last ditch effort for a ball that is just out of normal reach. That shot wasn't. It was routine. But because it looked better than it really was it has everyone fooled into thinking he made a world class save...
Collect it? No. Punch it? Definitely...
Wouldn’t mind seeing competition for him at all. This season is a bit wonky, obviously, but there’s no reason that we can’t have a competition next year. The challenge will be the almost non-existent preseason where the fight for the position can be protracted.
@calodo2003 I admire your spirited attempts at trying to explain this situation.
Anyone who thinks De Gea should be claiming that ball which has been whipped in to the near post then flicked on is clearly dilusional!
De Gea admittedly is not great coming for crosses but in that situation you have got to rely on your near post defender getting something on that. That ball should have been dealt with before it even flashed in front of De Gea.
Poor choice of words on my part, didn’t mean a collection out of the air. But, all of these facts conspire to make a cross like that unclaim-able in any aspect. To make such a rash decision to get to that ball would be what a youth keeper does to try to impress.
I'm watching the kick and my first though as it's in the air is "go clear that DeGea". Teams are putting them in our box because he's not commanding. Schmichel would have punched that into the 12th row...
You are correct in stating that it’s not a world class save, it was pretty routine. It was just executed properly with the correct hand. I would gather that any top goalkeeping coach in the world would completely agree with DDG’s technique here on many levels.
When the ball went to the Southampton player, I knew De Gea wasn't going to do anything to save it.
Yes I'm being harsh but he should have come out and closed the space. He stopped for a milisecond and instead tried to spread to save it mid-air.
Same as the near post goal against Bournmouth. He's happy to come out and just spread without any thought of actually blocking the shot.
You've got to accelerate get in their face to close the space then keep your arms and legs together.
You can’t want your keeper to be mentally considering collecting a ball on the near side of the near post extended. This isn’t indoor or 7 a side, those angles don’t work in a high level outdoor game. Now, if the ball carries inside the near post extended, it’s another argument to be had, but this cross was not DDG’s fault.
Not me. When you can use two hands, you use two hands. And he could have used two hands there...
Rubbish
He needs to work on his passing out from the back.
Its a fecking hazardous and its putting the rest of team on edge
Its a fecking hazardous and its putting the rest of team on edge
Why is it rubbish? Son's header was middle of the goal. The shot today wasn't far off. He wasn't full stretch. He just made it seem like he was. It was one for the cameras...
The top hand is closer to the ball on shots like these. Why take longer to get the bottom hand to be ball from underneath especially with the pace of the shot. It was the correct technique l, as would be stated by top GK coaches, you being the obvious outlier.
Came in at pace, into a crowd, at the front post. Sounds like something Pickford would do to hilarious consequences. You guys have lost your minds. How about our damn defenders do their jobs and clear that?
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