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Its look like he past it, or just didn't bother enough.
The save he made today looks routine save that every keeper should make.
The save he made today looks routine save that every keeper should make.
Yes, he was good bar that tiny little error. Jesus.
Is he even in the top 5 keepers in the world?
I just saw some of your other posts, when you evoke the name of that fecktard Trump to try and get a reaction I am not sure it's worth it, but here goes, players make mistakes, he also made a save that got us at least a point, he's lost a step I think most of us would agree, but given the amount of money we need to spend elsewhere and given he is still young for a keeper, it seems madness to see some of the stuff I am seeing today.
Don't you think it would be better to move him on if possible and have even more money to invest into the team by making Henderson #1?I just saw some of your other posts, when you evoke the name of that fecktard Trump to try and get a reaction I am not sure it's worth it, but here goes, players make mistakes, he also made a save that got us at least a point, he's lost a step I think most of us would agree, but given the amount of money we need to spend elsewhere and given he is still young for a keeper, it seems madness to see some of the stuff I am seeing today.
I just saw some of your other posts, when you evoke the name of that fecktard Trump to try and get a reaction I am not sure it's worth it, but here goes, players make mistakes, he also made a save that got us at least a point, he's lost a step I think most of us would agree, but given the amount of money we need to spend elsewhere and given he is still young for a keeper, it seems madness to see some of the stuff I am seeing today.
An excellent post because it shows rationality in the midst of well, not much of it. Mistakes happen and it's amazing he went so long without making any. He needs to cut them down but he's still an excellent keeper. This whole not doing enough thing has been bigged up to back people's frankly odd hatred of him up.An excellent post because you agree with it? Big Pete made mistakes but other facets of his game (his command of area and throwing ability to start attacks) made him a big part of our game. So even if he made similar error to this one (I recall one against Barnsley at home) he still was a massive use in our build up play and also still had world class shot stopping.
What does De Gea offer aside from his good shot stopping? Him making a great save doesn’t balance anything out as making the error that early changes the whole game plan.
Even without the error, DDG doesn’t do enough to justify his huge wages and the fact he’s been poor for over a year now means that he’s a big problem in the team.
An excellent post because it shows rationality in the midst of well, not much of it. Mistakes happen and it's amazing he went so long without making any. He needs to cut them down but he's still an excellent keeper. This whole not doing enough thing has been bigged up to back people's frankly odd hatred of him up.
Like I said, he needs to cut down on mistakes. But the rest somehow only became an issue once people started hating on him again.He’s been making silly mistakes for over a year now. Isn’t he top of the mistakes stat?
And no, there’s no hatred it’s commenting on what we are seeing. Does he come off his line enough? No. Is his distribution good? No. Does he I still confidence in the back 4 and command his area? No.
His reflexes are still good but his complacency or whatever it is has lasted for too long now and it isn’t good enough. That’s not being irrational.
Yes, nobody is arguing against that, but surely it's only logical that those who succeed at the top level are the ones who make the fewest mistakes.
De Gea is making more blunders than any other keeper in the league now, fact, so surely logic dictates that he doesn't deserve to be playing at the moment, never mind be the highest paid player in the Premier league.
It's getting beyond a joke now.
Had a look myself, he's getting on like a condescending twat.
Don't you think it would be better to move him on if possible and have even more money to invest into the team by making Henderson #1?
Yes, nobody is arguing against that, but surely it's only logical that those who succeed at the top level are the ones who make the fewest mistakes.
De Gea is making more blunders than any other keeper in the league now, fact, so surely logic dictates that he doesn't deserve to be playing at the moment, never mind be the highest paid player in the Premier league.
It's getting beyond a joke now.
Wtf? It was not my quote. How? Mods?Yes, fair enough, but what about the dozens of other mistakes over the past few seasons?
On balance, there is not a chance he deserves to be starting games for us, let alone, be the highest paid player in the Premier league.
I dont care how big a fan of his you are, if you can't see that by now then you're part of the problem.
It's different when it's a save many keepers wouldn't make though.His good save didn't make up for his mistake.
He only did his job by making the save, that's what the club pays him for. It doesn't balance anything out at all.
Wtf? It was not my quote. How? Mods?
Although i agree with all that what was wrote in "my" post. I couldn't write it better
It's different when it's a save many keepers wouldn't make though.
Whenever I see Trump useage I fear the worst, feels like a personal thing wtih De Gea.
No, not right now, I don't think Henderson is ready to be the #1 here, the pressure is huge and I think sometimes people forget that, we have had seasoned pros come here and struggle with the spotlight, not many come in like Bruno has. I also think De Gea is a big figure in the squad, I'd be against throwing him aside before giving him more time to see how this rebuild progresses, I wouldn't make such a huge call before stablizing other major areas, it's not like he's messing up every week, more times than not we drop points because we fail to create or score, that's a near £200M problem that needs fixing first.
Sergio Ramos has been sent off 24 times, that would surely also be seen as a liability? Look, I am not denying he's not been at his best for at least a year now, but he wont be going anywhere in the near future IMO so this a moot point, we have so much else to fix, and like I said above, if you look at the points we drop most are down to issues at the other end of the pitch, we have to deal with one thing at a time, even Real Madrid are finding it hard to just go and hoover up quality all over the pitch, it has to be done in stages.
Whenever I see Trump useage I fear the worst, feels like a personal thing wtih De Gea.
No, not right now, I don't think Henderson is ready to be the #1 here, the pressure is huge and I think sometimes people forget that, we have had seasoned pros come here and struggle with the spotlight, not many come in like Bruno has. I also think De Gea is a big figure in the squad, I'd be against throwing him aside before giving him more time to see how this rebuild progresses, I wouldn't make such a huge call before stablizing other major areas, it's not like he's messing up every week, more times than not we drop points because we fail to create or score, that's a near £200M problem that needs fixing first.
Sergio Ramos has been sent off 24 times, that would surely also be seen as a liability? Look, I am not denying he's not been at his best for at least a year now, but he wont be going anywhere in the near future IMO so this a moot point, we have so much else to fix, and like I said above, if you look at the points we drop most are down to issues at the other end of the pitch, we have to deal with one thing at a time, even Real Madrid are finding it hard to just go and hoover up quality all over the pitch, it has to be done in stages.
Ahh it was you. No problem. As i said, that quote is exactly what i meanHmmnn, not sure what's happened there, if I've messed something up, I apologise.
I think Henderson has done enough to be given a chance now. I'm also not sure how big of a personality De Gea is in the dressing room but it's hard to look past his non existent attributes like 'command of area' which for me is very important for a keeper playing for a big club. Also Henderson IMO will only enhance the dressing room camaraderie in this regard. Henderson also is noticeably braver and actually attempts to help the CBs aerially rather than stay scared rooted to his spot.Whenever I see Trump useage I fear the worst, feels like a personal thing wtih De Gea.
No, not right now, I don't think Henderson is ready to be the #1 here, the pressure is huge and I think sometimes people forget that, we have had seasoned pros come here and struggle with the spotlight, not many come in like Bruno has. I also think De Gea is a big figure in the squad, I'd be against throwing him aside before giving him more time to see how this rebuild progresses, I wouldn't make such a huge call before stablizing other major areas, it's not like he's messing up every week, more times than not we drop points because we fail to create or score, that's a near £200M problem that needs fixing first.
Sergio Ramos has been sent off 24 times, that would surely also be seen as a liability? Look, I am not denying he's not been at his best for at least a year now, but he wont be going anywhere in the near future IMO so this a moot point, we have so much else to fix, and like I said above, if you look at the points we drop most are down to issues at the other end of the pitch, we have to deal with one thing at a time, even Real Madrid are finding it hard to just go and hoover up quality all over the pitch, it has to be done in stages.
100% agree with this. I don't think anyone is denying that he's not at his peak. I mean he was insanely good at one point but he's still least of our worries. Most teams would still snap your hand off for him. Is he the best in the world anymore? No, he's not but do we need him to be? We just need him to be good enough for Manchester United, which he is. People are getting on like he's the single source of all our problems, regarding conceding goals.
I agree with you that he isn't going anywhere for the time being so it's a moot point at the minute. If we can get Henderson back and let them compete for the first spot then I'm fine with that. Selling him on and letting a 22 year old fella come would be a massive gamble as you rightly pointed out that the pressure is massive here.
An average goalkeeper is good enough, if he is excellent with his feet.The biggest misconception is that the team need top goalkeeper on the line to be successful and winning trophies.
It's delusion like this that's part of the problem, not a chance.
He got out voted by 92:8 by the Spanish public to be replaced by Kepa for f*cks sake, and his form has got even worse since that (incidentally so has Kepas.)
We have other things to fix so we simply just ignore this issue?
Im not trying to be argumentative but, seriously, what is the logic in that?
Why can't we try to fix both?
100% agree with this. I don't think anyone is denying that he's not at his peak. I mean he was insanely good at one point but he's still least of our worries. Most teams would still snap your hand off for him. Is he the best in the world anymore? No, he's not but do we need him to be? We just need him to be good enough for Manchester United, which he is. People are getting on like he's the single source of all our problems, regarding conceding goals.
I agree with you that he isn't going anywhere for the time being so it's a moot point at the minute. If we can get Henderson back and let them compete for the first spot then I'm fine with that. Selling him on and letting a 22 year old fella come would be a massive gamble as you rightly pointed out that the pressure is massive here.
I think Henderson has done enough to be given a chance now. I'm also not sure how big of a personality De Gea is in the dressing room but it's hard to look past his non existent attributes like 'command of area' which for me is very important for a keeper playing for a big club. Also Henderson IMO will only enhance the dressing room camaraderie in this regard. Henderson also is noticeably braver and actually attempts to help the CBs aerially rather than stay scared rooted to his spot.
Henderson would suit us better going forward for the above reasons and I feel the correct move would be to move De Gea on and free up the large wage he's on so we can make a push for the required outfield signings.
That's fair enough mate. You know I'm not gonna argue with you..We are talking about a club that took years to fix our RB issue, who waited years to do anything about midfield and it still isn't fixed, and that hasn't even got an actual Right winger at the club even though our last actual RW moved to fullback 7 years ago.
My point is we move slow and De Gea isn't costing us week after week the way that is being made out, his form could return, or he might need replacing in a season or two, but IMO it's not a priority right now with so much else to do in a summer that also has an international tournemant.
That's the the thing that puzzles me, he's throwing in more clangers than he used to but he's not been on my mind after most games as the source of our problems, I mean his distribution has never been great but we've only just started to even see our outfield players look cohesive, so to me we need to walk before we run and binning De Gea this summer would be the latter.
I agree on the bolded part in particular, this is exactly what we need to do, if De Gea makes errors then Henderson should get actual PL games if he performs in the cup games he gets, then we can evaluate rather than get rid of a good keeper without even knowing if the kid can cut it as a United keeper.
I think De Gea is highly respected and has seniority here, some might also say he's stuck with us in barren times but we know he was all but gone had it not been for Faxgate.
Like I said above mate, I'd have no issue with bringing Henderson back and giving him games and a chance to take the spot, like we did with Williams, but I think ditching De Gea for a keeper that has never had to perform for United with that pressure would be a mistake, let them compete next season and evaluate things at the end of the season.