Save what? Sometimes you face shots that you can save by luck or can't do much about them. It was one of those for him.
Penalty shootout was something else though.
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Save what? Sometimes you face shots that you can save by luck or can't do much about them. It was one of those for him.
Penalty shootout was something else though.
Did Neuer make the impossible saves you're demanding when Germany won it?
I'm really lost here, is it Davids fault that every goal bar one that they conceded came from horrendous defending that left him totally exposed?
It seems he's getting the blame for a sub standard defence right in front of him.
Germany had the same problems this year and what happened? What saves did Neuer have a chance to make?
Seriously. He is getting blamed for a shootout. Next people will be claiming Russian keeper is a better keeper.
Spain have no one to blame except their outfield players who played like a bunch of cowards neither ready to take a risk nor have any new idea to break a stubborn Russian wall.
Spain have no one to blame except their outfield players who played like a bunch of cowards neither ready to take a risk nor have any new idea to break a stubborn Russian wall.
Sometimes they can't.
He stood there for 120 minutes because his side (full of Barca, Real and Athletico players) were dominating the game with possession and didnt have the cutting edge to win it. This is like blaming the chello player for the Titanic going down.
The problem is that I had imagined something wonderful, especially after reading red cafe and sporadically see highlights of your games.
So many comments about the United's legend, the best in the world, etc, made me think that we had a wall.
The error against Portugal is terrible. For something similar Karius was humiliated and unfortunately in the previous Euro he already had a very bad game against Croatia.
Cristiano's goal and Morocco's header seemed unstoppable, but it would have been fine if at least he had tried.
If I'm not wrong Iker saved a very important penalty to Paraguay and another against Italy in 2008. Obviously it is difficult, but if he is so so good, He´s supposed to save penalties or contribute with that differential factor
De Gea in hindsight could've had a wax work dummy of him in goal for the whole tournament and had a holiday in Abersoch, nothing would've changed, might even gone through.
He let in 6 pens from memory, then in the group he parried one in his own net, one through his legs and another went underneath.
He let in 6 pens from memory, then in the group he parried one in his own net, one through his legs and another went underneath.
Well he is the best right now, since Manuel 'I think I'm a midfielder' Neuer had a worse tournament. I dunno, If Brazil win the WC maybe Alisson will be the new No.1.
In 2014 Neuer had a tremendous tournament and bailed Germany out many times. Especially the game against Algeria. That was one of the best performances of a sweeper keeper I've ever seen. Maybe the best.
This tournament he was not as good and made a mistake against Korea, where he misjudged the situation at the end of the game. But I would forgive him because he was injured for more than half a year before the tournament and an argument could be made, that he should not have played at all. In addition to that, he was pretty good in one on ones and his build up play was as good as always, which I actually found surprising. Thought he would struggle with it.
The main difference is, that Neuer has proven himself time after time for the national team, for Bayern and Schalke. Especially in games that matter. De Gea has yet to do so outside of United.
If you're dropping him for not saving a
Ronaldo penalty then maybe it's time to realise he isn't Superman!
You'd never have a consistent choice as keeper if that's the criteria to be honest.
He'll bail you out by pushing the limits of what is savable but he's not going to defy physics and save the impossible.
David is the least of your problems, its shocking that you don't give up ordinary chances. If you give away a chance its seems to be a can't miss, David rooted to the spot goal which is ridiculous for a team of your calibre.
David may as well have played behind the Iran defenders to be honest.
That defense only gave up 12 shots on De Gea. 5 of which came in the penalty shootout. I don't think Iran would have managed that.
And your still missing the point. Nobody is saying De Gea should not have conceded anything. That would be terribly unfair. But he had opportunities in this tournament, to prove that he is special. He failed to make the most of them. He doesn't need to save every pen. But he should have saved at least one.
On average, the penalties had a value of 0,75 expected goals (if my math is right, which admittedly is a big if). That means out of five, at least one should be expected to be saved. That might have been enough for them, to make the next round.
Return of expected goals, well it was fun while it lasted. Wonderful couple of weeks without these stats (which are full of holes).
Not really unsavable goals though, is it? He at least had a chance with all of those, you're asking David to make a save that is impossible to make.
That's the inexcusable fact, you even can't narrow it down with vague statements such as just do something.
I'd believe you would have a point if you could point and say there, he let you down there or he could have gotten to that.
Its just shocking to me that Smalling and Jones gives him better protection than Pique and Ramos did this summer.
Spain aren't an elite side anymore anyway, it's not as if he's a weak link in a potential World Cup winning side IMO. Spain just can't defend.
This has not been De Gea. He's looked very nervous and unsure all tournament long, and has been pretty awful as a result.
I agree about pens but its not as if he had a great rep for saving pens anyway, anybody on this forum could have told you what to expect.
Have you seen the chances Spain gave up? Only 12 sounds good stats wise but when they're losing balls for 1 on 1, 2 pens, an unmissable header, unstoppable freekick etc then that 12 doesn't look so good.
It reminds me of LVG season, we would have all of the ball and the opposition would wait and cut right through us when we gave up possession.
Stats wise we would look good but the few times the opposition had the ball we would crumble
I never talked about Messi, yet you bring him into the discussion. I also never talked about Neuer and you had to bring him into the discussion. I'm talking about De Gea. I don't care about Messi or Neuer right now.
I get what you're trying to say. I really do. It's a good argument actually. The quality of the opportunites must always be considered, which is why I brought the xPG's into the discussion for the pens. But even then, it still leaves us with one huge mistake and some bad penalties he could (in my opinion should) have dealt with much better. It's just not a good performance. This might have been alright for some average keeper. But De Gea is not average.
He's kind of player that needs to be valued to perform. That's one of the reasons i think he will never do well in Spain. He always feels like he needs to do more to fit in.
Hes always been average at penalties.
Commits too early and doesnt make himself big.
Russias pwnalties werent great but he never looked like saving them.
Something like Akinfeevs last movement and he wohkd have saved a couple.
Commits too early and doesnt make himself big.
Russias pwnalties werent great but he never looked like saving them.
Something like Akinfeevs last movement and he wohkd have saved a couple.
Phew, we dodged a bullet thanks to the fax machine.
Thought he could have done a bit better with two or three of the Russians kicks. One he got a full palm on but couldn’t keep it out and at least one other he dived far too early.
Mind you that save by Akinfeew will go down as one of the greatest penalty saves ever.
Mind you that save by Akinfeew will go down as one of the greatest penalty saves ever.
Can’t say I’ve watched every one of Dave’s games for Spain but in the ones I did watch he’s been a pale shadow of what we’ve got used to at United. The other way round would be a huge worry but this doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
I thought it couldn't get worse, then people started throwing around 'expected assists'. Unbelievable.
That's not even remotely true. His penalty taking method (he looks at the goalie during the run up decides where to put it at the last second) scares me but he goes about 50/50 left and right...
Fair as you follow them more than me but in the last few years I only remembered him shooting on the left.
He didn't have the greatest world cup but we are talking 4 games here which is simply not enough of a time frame to judge his position as Spain's number one.
I personally feel privileged to have him at United. I used to think he was desperate to get to Madrid but I genuinely now believe he knows he is at great club where he is adored and unless a serious fallout with the manager occurs, he will stay.
I personally feel privileged to have him at United. I used to think he was desperate to get to Madrid but I genuinely now believe he knows he is at great club where he is adored and unless a serious fallout with the manager occurs, he will stay.
He was bad but Ramos and Pique were abysmal too, all 3 should have some time out of the team based on their showings. I'm confident DDG will bounce back, doesn't bother me how other people rate him, we know exactly how good he is.
Nothing to see here. He's just not comfortable with the NT yet, like us in 2011/12. As soon as that DDG chant echoes around OT, beast mode will be engaged.
Apparently you can't expect a goalie to save a pen once in a while 
He's the best in the world and he's our GK. Nothing else matters
Somebody should tell him that you can step out from your line really early and no one ever gives a shit, mind blowing that nobody have said it to him yet knowing his penalty saving record.
Yes, De Gea is the GOAT. He can't do no wrong. *insert real madrid stay away joke* here, etc...
C'mon, who gives a shit about Spain. De Gea is the best shot stopper in the EPL, it's statistically proven but he still has flaws like others and had bad tournament and it's a fair criticism.
Move on.
C'mon, who gives a shit about Spain. De Gea is the best shot stopper in the EPL, it's statistically proven but he still has flaws like others and had bad tournament and it's a fair criticism.
Move on.
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Pique said he was retiring before the tournament
I can actually understand the criticism from Spanish fans .
He's a good goalie for you guys, we get it. Just hasn't been for the NT so far. This might change in the future, who knows. He's still young.
De Gea has been rather average for you guys. He made a similar blunder in your final warm up against Switzerland.
He's godlike for United but the criticism of him playing for Spain is warranted.
He's terrible at saving pens. Just falls to the ground (usually his right hand side). The likes of Cech, Neuer, schmeicel and VDS are/were imposing figures in goal, I've read stories where opposition players said they hated facing them during pens.
De Gea is godly for United, his long kicks are very good, nearly unbeatable in 1v1s, virtually impossible to score from outside the box, good with the ball at feet. His only weakness is on set pieces, but he doesn't concede often from them due to his shot stopping. Best club goalkeeper in the world.
He is a completely different player for Spain. Looks a nervous wreck and error prone, doesn't save as well, but his distribution is better.
I think I wrote it here once but De Gea had several problems. The first one is to play in England and not in Spain. It is more difficult to gain respect, to enter the group without anyone doubting about you, and also to get a place when the team is in decline, and replacing a legend, a saint.
Besides(I imagine it happens in all countries) fans and press are very hard with the NT, pure hyenas that do not forgive one mistake.
It would be nice if he could redeem himself in the euro, but honestly I see it difficult. It seems necessary a good cleaning and leave the goalkeeper, the main focus of criticism does not seem very realistic
Yes the criticism is mostly fair. Seems De Gea is simply another one of the long list of top players who has not (yet at least) replicated his club form for his national team. Bad news for the Spain fans, but I don't imagine any United fan will lose much sleep over it - they've still got the best goalie in the world playing for them.
Cech barely saves a penalty unless he's playing in a CL final for some reason. Over seasons he's probably saved less than DDG.
Van der Sar wasn't that great at them either.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/edwin-van-der-sar/elfmeterstatistik/spieler/3516
http://www.sportbible.com/football/...enalty-record-is-absolutely-shocking-20180104
It will turn out to be a problem if a new manager comes in and benches him for Kepa. Then United fans his form for Spain is a worry, because it will have an impact on his form here probably and mentality
I worry about his self confidence when he returns to the club. I said before the world cup that if he maintained his level and Spain played well finally he would have a big opportunity to win a major trophy and be rewarded with a possible world cup medal. Neither happened. I hope this exit doesn't affect his form for us and he just continues on from where he left before the world cup. For some reason he is nervous when he plays for Spain. I don't know if it is a mental block or something else but he never seems comfortable. At United his presence in goal even causes strikers to panic when they face him with a chance.
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