Definitely in my opinion, Courtois hasn't really been tested or made any stand out saves. So you can't really be speculative and say him, DDG has proved it!
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 43
- Clean sheets
- 13
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 0
But what stand out performances has Courtois had this season?
Well that's the thing though isn't it? De Gea has looked more impressive because he has had to make stand out saves like the ones against Oviedo and Wilshere whereas Courtois hasn't really been tested in that respect yet this season.
It's time to give the guy a blank cheque with the words "Manchester United: 10 year contract" at the bottom.
That's because your typical neutral has seen Atletico tear up La Liga and UCL with Courtois in the sticks and seen United struggle with De Gea.
Courtois plays for his national team, Dave (up until the summer) didn't even make the Spain squads. There's a lot of assuming going on with the average neutral plus you have to wonder how many games those neutrals have actually watched of Courtois.
There really isn't that much difference between the two, except that one has had a consistently better defence playing ahead of him and the other has not.
Yep which is why I'd tend to go for De Gea, he has proven how good he is this season, I can fully understand people going for Courtois over De Gea because they're both as good as each other but DDG edges it for me because he's proven! Courtois more than likely would have made most of the saves DDG did but we can only speculate this. I would love to see Courtois tested to see how he does.
Just seen a tweet that he had 100% pass completion last night. Must have been what Van Gaal was referring to when he talked about him improving all the time.
This has to be made into a banner at Old Trafford!
I've noticed in the past few games that his kicks haven't been going that high!
Is this the fella who records every game?
It's nice to watch but also a bit weird at the same time.
I counted at least five to Fellaini's chest alone last night.
17/17 apparently? Heard a stat that in the Arsenal game, he touched the ball 50 times. That was 1 more then Rooney.
Twitter finally came into use! Love that celebration of his as well.
- Neutral fans don't watch enough games to judge them both.
- Bias. Chelsea been walking the league. ( like Atl Madrid last season, Keylor Navas had a better performance but Courtios took all the spotlights because his team won the title)
WhoScored page for the game, they have him at 34 passes and 94.1% accuracy no?
There was one fantastic well floated pass to Mata that really sticks in the mind.
That's not a stat to proud of now is it!
Just checked this out as it didn't sound like the game I watched … but:
Rooney (according to the go-to stats finder of the Caf whoscored.com) had 47 touches
The same as Paddy McNair
10 more than Carrick (I'm not making this up stats fans)
10 less than Fellaini
and a whopping 13 less than St David himself!
First it was Hart now it's Courtois. What's the obsession with comparing de Gea to other keepers in the league? Why not just rate them individually both as very good goalkeepers? It's not even a fair situation to compare really given the defence for both of the teams. It doesn't seem to happen in any other thread as much as this one unless it's comparing what we actually have (i.e. RVP for Falcao etc) so I just don't get why it ALWAYS seems to happen with de Gea.
What he did last night he did well, the saves were very important, albeit I'd be pretty disappointed if he didn't make them, he's definitely one of our better performers this season. I can only imagine the 6.6 rating at the top is judged on some of his earlier games.
I'd be surprised if he left still, think the press are making a bigger deal of this contract stuff than it's worth. I'd imagine signing a contract which is worth millions of pounds isn't a decision that takes a couple of minutes but more months.
What he did last night he did well, the saves were very important, albeit I'd be pretty disappointed if he didn't make them, he's definitely one of our better performers this season. I can only imagine the 6.6 rating at the top is judged on some of his earlier games.
I'd be surprised if he left still, think the press are making a bigger deal of this contract stuff than it's worth. I'd imagine signing a contract which is worth millions of pounds isn't a decision that takes a couple of minutes but more months.
And 37 more than Van Persie!!Just checked this out as it didn't sound like the game I watched … but:
Rooney (according to the go-to stats finder of the Caf whoscored.com) had 47 touches
The same as Paddy McNair
10 more than Carrick (I'm not making this up stats fans)
10 less than Fellaini
and a whopping 13 less than St David himself!
Huge fan of the Spaniard and all, but that's a shit article and a poor way to account for his importance. He's certainly won us points, but we wouldn't be 11th or whatever 'without him', there would be another keeper playing for us who may or may not have made saves as well.
I understand the rationale behind the article, but it's a bit stupid.
That's an absurd article. Especially the table where it shows where we'd be without him. If they're going to take away points from United in a parallel universe where they don't have a keeper then what would happen to the other teams in that table if the same was applied to them? (obviously, Liverpool would be slightly better off)
What it does do, though, is put an end to the idea that he is being wilfully overlooked by the xenophobic English press.
Because United players are never praised, right?
We have Falcao, RVP, Rooney, di Maria, Mata, but who is winning us points? De Gea, bit strange.
Yup, shows he was overly busy in that Arsenal game. 50 touches for a keeper can't be the norm. I'm no expert in how many touches keepers take per game, but 50 in a game where we had 300/350 (rough guess) passes is a lot.
I still think Courtois still shows more authority when commanding his box and he is not too shabby at saving his team either as he did against us with Chelsea this season. De Gea on the other hand comes up with more crazy saves and is by far the better shot stopper. Courtois is more like Van der Sar in that sense whereas De Gea is closer to a young Casillas.
Exactly. This guy gets it.
Courtois, with that back 4 in front of him, has less than 5 clean sheets. Explain how that is excellent. He has been prone to an error here and there.
Our player of the season so far, the best goalkeeper in the Premier League this season too. Although I do rate Lloris higher.
He has won us points, but how the feck did he win us 3 points against Everton or Arsenal? At worse, with an average keeper instead of him, we would have drawn those games, as we were won them so if the other team scored, then logically we would have started attacking again.
Also I hate how people say we're lucky in games when De Gea makes saves. He's a goalkeeper, his job is to make saves, just like the strikers' job is to score goals. We have him part of our team, so it's like saying we're lucky one of our 11 players had a good game. Just stupid really.
Dunno about that in the Arsenal game. If they had scored a goal or two in the first half the game would have played out much differently and they certainly wouldn't have had to have all of their defenders about 5 meters inside our half as they did. Actually wait a second it's Arsenal I take it all back.
Yeah, it's Arsenal, that's exactly what they would have done still. They can't really defend (or couldn't at the time still), and were beating Swansea before throwing away the game in similar fashion. And like others mentioned before, De Gea had a good game against Arsenal sure, but nothing was particularly amazing, it was just consistently solid saves and not making any mistakes rather then him bailing us out. Arsenal had loads of shots but most were from range, that's why I find it a bit annoying how people said shit like "I have no idea how they lost". They lost because they don't know how to defend and United had 4 or 5 clear cut chances from counters and should have scored more, not because De Gea had a great game.
Happy to see him getting more recognition which he fully deserves. Next step will be getting the Spain job full-time
Still no news regarding his contract extension?
Really? I'm surprised. Lloris has been very suspect for a good while now, even last night he was dodgy as hell against Chelsea.
I guess a more concise argument would be that he can never win us all 3 points on his own unless he's scored all the goals too.
May I ask why is that? Lloris is a sweeper keeper and he does that better than De Gea but DDG is better than Lloris in every other aspect of goalkeeping.
He meant it in terms of Courtois being part of a Chelsea team which is running away at the front. Thus the recognition for him.