A lot of players end up returning to their supporting club, what if they had a cash injection and became the next PSG style project, that would maybe be a cause for concern, but I have spanish friends that don't support Barcelona or RM, one supports Valencia as he lives there and the other Malaga strangely.
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A lot of players end up returning to their supporting club, what if they had a cash injection and became the next PSG style project, that would maybe be a cause for concern, but I have spanish friends that don't support Barcelona or RM, one supports Valencia as he lives there and the other Malaga strangely.
Did his girlfriend not state a preference for a return to Spain with Barca being especially attractive?
fecking hell, you speak as though Atletico are a small team. They are the 3rd biggest team in Spain. Not some 4th division part time pub team.
All this post does is contradict your point.
Ok just so we're clear. He'll claim to be home sick and push for a move to Barca/Real because they were his boy hood team. In truth he'll wouldnt care which club he moved to as long as it was on of the big 2 in spain.
The Robbie Keane method.
I cant think of a single spanish player who would turn down Madrid or Barca. Just doesnt happen.
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I believe Carrick's backpass was the biggest mistake, but why didn't De Gea just put his hands on it? What is the worst thing that could have happened? An indirect free kick inside the box from an acute angle, and a booking for De Gea? At best, the referee might have (wrongly) deemed Carrick's back pass to be a mishit clearance and gotten away with it.
Either way, I've never understand why keepers - under that amount of danger - don't just take the risk. A midfielder does it all the time to "break up play"; take the foul, take the booking. The free kick might be in a more dangerous area but with 11 players behind the ball it'd be tough for Southampton to do anything with that. They're not great advantages.
Either way, I've never understand why keepers - under that amount of danger - don't just take the risk. A midfielder does it all the time to "break up play"; take the foul, take the booking. The free kick might be in a more dangerous area but with 11 players behind the ball it'd be tough for Southampton to do anything with that. They're not great advantages.
De Gea will be a phenomenally good keeper in a couple of years. He's already pretty damn good - does much more right than wrong. The way the media react to him vs other keepers is ridiculous but as long as he doesn't let it affect him mentally he'll be fine. I also think he will be very loyal to us for turning him from top talent to one of the best, for persevering with him despite the press and I expect he'll pick up some medals along the way.
I really think various football pundits and opposition fans will be eating their words by next season. Delighted he's here as I think he saves us much more than he plays us into trouble.
I really think various football pundits and opposition fans will be eating their words by next season. Delighted he's here as I think he saves us much more than he plays us into trouble.
Did he turn down any offers?
It's one thing for a midfielder to commit a foul to break up play, but quite another for a goalkeeper to deny a goalscoring opportunity by committing to foul in his own penalty area. Do you think refs are stupid? The officials can tell the difference between an intended pass-back and a miss-kick, and Carrick's effort was obviously the former. Southampton wouldn't have been given a penalty, only a direct freekick in an extremely dangerous area, but de Gea would certainly have received a red card.
It's harsh if you think it was a big mistake. If he got the man, he probably would have been sent off. If de Gea was to get it right, he would need to be in a position where he knew he would get the ball. In retrospect, he could have made himself big and still not touched Rodriguez but it was a very tough situation.
So I watched Southampton's goal again and I'm quite certain de Gea pulls out because he realizes he's going to be second best. It was a very very tight situation. Think Rodriguez just had that extra split second on him.
Very Common = 90%
Every Person - 100%
Each very in his post adds 10% perhaps. You missed one.
He could have easily won the ball. He'd have likely got the player, but had he attacked the ball he'd have easily made a legal challenge.
Cider, our last meeting in this thread may have been difficult but that's the most sense I've seen anyone post in here for a long time. Agree with nigh on every point. De Gea's age in particular I think is in favour for him to just keep progressing and progressing. He's at the best club, surrounded by the best people including (what we know as) largely supportive team-mates, shown by van Persie and also Ferdinand just telling him to relax as we were under the cosh yesterday. He will only get better - and there's no denying he has talent.
Was it worth the risk though? I wouldn't say so - one flicker and the referee could have just given Southampton the penalty and sent De Gea off for stopping a goal-scoring opportunity. Who knows? I would have preferred to concede that goal, than to risk playing with 10 men AND with Southampton gaining an instant penalty.
De Gea was fine.
A keeper can't be sent off for handling a backpass, it's in the rules.
Can't really blame him for the goal can you? He obviously didn't expect the pass from Carrick. Then the pass was very poor. He gets out, but decides not to dive on it or kick on it because he probably knows it would be a pen + a red card! If you think he expected the pass from carrick he should have been out of goal earlier but he obviously didn't.
Get behind him! He is young and learning, coming along in leaps and bounds! He will beef up and learn to dominate his space - which he already is much better at! What he needs the most is to not give rebounds away in the box to opposition. He will learn that! Give him time - who else is a better keeper that is available?
Get behind him! He is young and learning, coming along in leaps and bounds! He will beef up and learn to dominate his space - which he already is much better at! What he needs the most is to not give rebounds away in the box to opposition. He will learn that! Give him time - who else is a better keeper that is available?
The rules state:
Sending off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
- Serious foul play
- Violent conduct
- Spitting on a player or another person
- Denying the opposing team a goal or obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
- Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty
- Using offense, abusive or insulting language and/or gestures
- Receiving a second caution in the same game
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Note the use of the word 'any' in the opening sentence. Now, had de Gea handled the ball away from Rodriguez, clearly he wouldn't be sent off for the fourth bullet point, as goalkeepers are excluded from that particular ruling, but he'd still be accountable under the ruling of the fifth bullet point – denied an opponent moving towards the player's goal an obvious goalscoring opportunity by an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty – and thus would receive a red card. Goalkeepers are excluded from the fourth ruling, but not the fifth; had he handled the ball before Rodriguez took a touch, he'd have been sent off as per the rules of the game.
The reason for the exclusion of goalkeepers from bullet point four is that, in most cases, goalkeepers are allowed to deliberately handle the ball in their own area. The rules aren't suggesting that keepers are immune to red cards if they deny a goalscoring opportunity through handling a pass-back, they're simply clarifying the fact that keepers can legally use their hands to deny goalscoring opportunities in normal circumstances (if it hadn't been worded this way then, according to the rules of game, any save in which the goalkeeper deliberately used his hands would be a sending off offence). Bullet point five makes it clear that if any player, keepers included, denies a goalscoring opportunity by causing an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty (such as handling the pass back when under pressure) then they'll be sent off.
From the replay I watched, I think the contrary. I think Rodriguez had that split second on him.
It might appear that way due to the keeper's trepidation. Had de Gea attacked the ball with conviction there can be no doubt that he'd have got there first.
Looked to me like it was de Gea's ball until he hesitated.
I dont know mate. Your eyes are probably better than mine. Regardless, this de Gea talk is becoming quite microscopic
I've genuinely got really nice eyes.
De Gea bottled it. No one can say otherwise. Absolutely shocking back pass from Carrick though. What the feck was he thinking?
I can only imagine he thought de Gea was positioned much closer to where he placed it. It wouldn't have been a particularly difficult ball to deal with had de Gea not have had to make such a rush for it.
I've never seen a goalkeeper sent off for handling a back pass, and i've seen goalkeepers handle back passes.
It's only a red card offence if the handling denies a goalscoring opportunity.
The rules are very deliberate in their wording, this isn't something open to interpretation. Bullet point five above is quite clear: denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty is a sending off offence.
Was there an obvious goalscoring opportunity? Yes.
Was the opponent moving towards the player's goal? Yes.
Is the offence of handling a back pass punishable by a free kick or penalty? Yes.
Red Card.
I personally think DDG hesitated because he thought the defence would deal with it, when it was obvious nobody was going to get to it first he started moving. By that point Rodriguez was already sprinting, and it was tight race but j.rod definitely got there first.
DDG had 2 options:
1: Try and get the ball, and hit it as hard as possible, risking possibly missing and taking out the player, or risking a free kick by excessive force.
2: Try and shield the goal with his body, and hope that reinforcements will get to the player and tackle him first.
I personally feel that because he has been scrutinised so much recently, he feels he didnt want to take the risk.
Just imagine if DDG did try and wipe the ball out, but missed and caught the striker. He consequently gets red carded and a penalty is awarded - southhampton end up winning the game.
The press would be having a field day, "DDG MESSES UP AGAIN AND THROWS AWAY THE GAME" the pressure and talk would be off the charts. I personally think he thought sod it their mistake let them clean it up. Probably not the best way to handle it, but can you blame him?.
The team managed to recover, and we carry on. He helped keep the game with a fantastic free kick save, he did his duty in my opinion.
DDG had 2 options:
1: Try and get the ball, and hit it as hard as possible, risking possibly missing and taking out the player, or risking a free kick by excessive force.
2: Try and shield the goal with his body, and hope that reinforcements will get to the player and tackle him first.
I personally feel that because he has been scrutinised so much recently, he feels he didnt want to take the risk.
Just imagine if DDG did try and wipe the ball out, but missed and caught the striker. He consequently gets red carded and a penalty is awarded - southhampton end up winning the game.
The press would be having a field day, "DDG MESSES UP AGAIN AND THROWS AWAY THE GAME" the pressure and talk would be off the charts. I personally think he thought sod it their mistake let them clean it up. Probably not the best way to handle it, but can you blame him?.
The team managed to recover, and we carry on. He helped keep the game with a fantastic free kick save, he did his duty in my opinion.
I've seen all those things happen in an incident, without the goalkeeper being sent off. Has a goalkeeper ever been sent off for picking up a back pass?
Not that I remember and I have seen keepers picking a back up pass really near the goal.
From the rules it seems that it can be a red card if you deny a goalscoring opportunity but I doubt that refs gave red cards for it.
All this talk of De Gea possibly going to Barca, but but but I thought he was rubbish
I read it in the paper...
I read it in the paper...
I've been sent off for handling a back pass.
I don't know, it's not something I can remember seeing.
The rules seem quite clear though; keepers are excluded from punishment under guidance of the fourth bullet point above, but not so from the fifth, and had de Gea handled the ball yesterday he'd have been in infringement of the fifth bullet point, with the opening statement claiming that:
...of which the fifth bullet point is one.
Where's that photo of Picard when you really need it?
If you're De Gea in that situation you DO NOT risk getting sent off. Period. It was the second minute of the game and the the very last thing you want to do is to give up and penalty and get sent off. That is vastly worse than conceding the goal in open play. I can't even imagine the abuse De Gea would be taking he had he gone horns down into the Southampton forward, given up the pk and got himself sent off. Vidic would have how batshit. THAT would have been a "mistake", to put it mildly.
As we've seen many times in the past, refs love to send off keepers even when the contact is negligible and accidental. It was a goal scoring opportunity every way you look at it. The Laws are merciless.
The Southampton forward was always going to be first to the ball.
The lesson to be learned from this incident is that you NEVER lob the ball back to your keeper in the path of a forward. From 20 yards out and all is clean. Go ahead and lob it in to De Gea...his footwork is brilliant and perhaps is even better than the great Dutchman, but not from just outside the box and into heavy traffic. A sending off for De Gea would have been disastrous...we would have had to bring in an inferior keeper and lose someone else, probably Anderson. Even though we didn't know Ando was going to have a horrible outing, it still would have put us under heavy pressure to overcome a one goal deficit with only ten men. We needed the win to go back up 7 points...the risk of losing De Gea would not have been the worth the benefit of a very unlikely rescue in that particular situation.
If you're De Gea in that situation you DO NOT risk getting sent off. Period. It was the second minute of the game and the the very last thing you want to do is to give up and penalty and get sent off. That is vastly worse than conceding the goal in open play. I can't even imagine the abuse De Gea would be taking he had he gone horns down into the Southampton forward, given up the pk and got himself sent off. Vidic would have how batshit. THAT would have been a "mistake", to put it mildly.
As we've seen many times in the past, refs love to send off keepers even when the contact is negligible and accidental. It was a goal scoring opportunity every way you look at it. The Laws are merciless.
The Southampton forward was always going to be first to the ball.
The lesson to be learned from this incident is that you NEVER lob the ball back to your keeper in the path of a forward. From 20 yards out and all is clean. Go ahead and lob it in to De Gea...his footwork is brilliant and perhaps is even better than the great Dutchman, but not from just outside the box and into heavy traffic. A sending off for De Gea would have been disastrous...we would have had to bring in an inferior keeper and lose someone else, probably Anderson. Even though we didn't know Ando was going to have a horrible outing, it still would have put us under heavy pressure to overcome a one goal deficit with only ten men. We needed the win to go back up 7 points...the risk of losing De Gea would not have been the worth the benefit of a very unlikely rescue in that particular situation.
I agree they seem quite clear, and I can see no other way it could be interpreted but it's something I've genuinely never seen happen before. Could it be one of those rules that aren't often enforced? Would be interesting to see a referee's take on it if it ever were to happen.
Turnbull dived on John Terry’s back pass to prevent it going to a Brentford striker for what would have been an obvious goal scoring opportunity. The law is quite specific and completely unambiguous on this.
Once read, it is never forgotten - 'Inside his own penalty area a goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any misconduct related to handling the ball.'
So in Turnbull’s case Moss had the simple task of merely awarding the indirect free kick and any attempt in commentary to suggest otherwise is at best ignorant and at worst mischievous.
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Once read, it is never forgotten - 'Inside his own penalty area a goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any misconduct related to handling the ball.'
So in Turnbull’s case Moss had the simple task of merely awarding the indirect free kick and any attempt in commentary to suggest otherwise is at best ignorant and at worst mischievous.
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http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf
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