I expect Evra withdrew to a position closer to De Gea because he has no confidence in his ability on crosses. With hindsight it was the wrong choice, but it's a difficult dilemma for a defender when you have a goalkeeper like De Gea. If we still had van der Sar I expect Evra would have stuck with Lennon.
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I expect Evra withdrew to a position closer to De Gea because he has no confidence in his ability on crosses. With hindsight it was the wrong choice, but it's a difficult dilemma for a defender when you have a goalkeeper like De Gea. If we still had van der Sar I expect Evra would have stuck with Lennon.
I think people are going too much one way or the other. According to some he can do no wrong while according to others he can do no right.
He isn't solely to blame for the goal - far from it. But to claim that he couldn't have done better isn't strictly true.
He isn't solely to blame for the goal - far from it. But to claim that he couldn't have done better isn't strictly true.
What could De Gea have actually done better? He had to come for the ball or Caulker heads into the net, he got as close it as he could possibly have done with two huge CBs in his way, and he punched it away from goal.
He had to punch it clear and he did, but sadly not far enough. Therefore I presume the notion is that he should have punched the ball harder, but how exactly would he have done that?
How can anyone not believe this guy is a troll...
He had to punch it clear and he did, but sadly not far enough. Therefore I presume the notion is that he should have punched the ball harder, but how exactly would he have done that?
How can anyone not believe this guy is a troll...
Evra has been following the ball like a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime well before De Gea got here, it gifted Pedro a goal in the Champions League final. He guy's like a Border Collie but with less positional sense.
The Frenchman had three players to mark. Players like Welbeck, who were supposed to track back his man, weren't anywhere near there. That still doesn't explain why there was one extra man near the ball. Probably because Jones collided outside the box, miscommunication between Rafael and Valencia left them not challenging.
It was a whole heap of mistakes and hardly a surprising goal to concede given how the 2nd half was played.
Well again, that's not remotely true. Pundits can actually BE balanced, but then they wouldn't have a controversial USP to sell their articles.
Lets look at it again, this time with a helpful key.
Mockney's Super Colour Key of Balance.
Positive about DDG
Negative about DDG
Neutral fluff, propositions and talk about other stuff
So, let me ask you 2 things.
1) Do you read that and think "this is a fair and balanced article"?
2) Do you agree with these assertions:
Because if you don't agree with point 2, there's no way you can agree with point 1, which was the point you've been arguing so far in this thread.
Congratulations, Alan, on noticing that De Gea is an 'excellent shot-stopper'; original and insightful, as always.
Do you think having a goalkeeper who struggles to deal with crosses and often parries the ball to extremely dangerous areas doesn't have an effect on the defenders' positioning?
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Alan Hansen 24th September 2012.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Although he scored a wonderful goal, I’m not convinced Rafael da Silva is the long-term solution at right back.
Alan Hansen 24th September 2012.
you're turning into a parody of yourself now.I have to compliment the effort and fear my response won't be anywhere near grand enough.
There are more criticism lines than supportive lines, do they have to be equal in measure to produce a reasoned article? I'm not sure what else he could have complimented him on.
You know I agree with his assertions, as I said to Moses, I think it's ok to put the responsibility on someone, so does the manager clearly. Yes others might have also contributed to the goal, you could say that of literally every goal scored, but when an obvious mistake is made, there's nothing wrong in pointing that out.
Like you I'm fairly neutral on De Gea, I haven't really formed an opinion on him, I rarely post in this thread(prior to today). I do blame him for that one, I bet he blames himself, but I don't think it's that big a deal. Next week is a fresh game, just move on I say and see how he does.
feck off.
Rafael misread the game and abandoned his position like he was chasing an invisible ball, De Gea then proceeded to shit it a bit on the cross and didn't commit himself in time to collect it. Those were the two explicit mistakes, in my opinion. Neither player deserves hanging for it though, they both had excellent games otherwise.
Evra also came inside to challenge de Gea, Vidic and Caulker for a ball in the air that he was never going to win, and shouldn't have been challenging for, leaving Lennon completely free. It was a whole collection of errors leading to the goal.
De Gea punched it a bit tamely, and perhaps should have even turned it out for a corner, but he wasn't solely to blame.
I think it's an instinct (or instruction) for Evra to cover the far post when a cross coming in. It's the same like Valencia who 'instinctively' tried to cover the goalpost when a shot was coming in.
Vidic was just as much at fault, so was Valencia and Evra, Rafael should of been on the line, where was Rio?
Can't just blame DDG.
Can't just blame DDG.
Nev's just given him a roasting. Basically saying it's sink or swim. Would agree that the title this season would do wonders for De Gea's confidence. I just think he needs to be more aggressive, and he's still a bit scared to get hurt.
I think the rules need sorting out: if attackers are allowed to crowd the goalie, the FA might as well allow them to shoulder-barge him into the net. More seriously, it's obstruction, and shouldn't be allowed.
Jeez some of you guys are moaning. He didn't make a mistake per se. He cleared the ball where it should have been cleared only his punch wasn't as powerful as he wanted. Unfortunately the ball fell down into Lennon's legs who made a great assist. No doubt he could have done better, but I doubt Reina or Hart would have done much better. He pretty much kept us in the game for 30 minutes or so. No doubt to me that Lindegaard would have let in at least one of those.
DDG deserves time to prove what he is made of. He isn't close to Schmeichel's or VDS' level yet, but he is a lot younger than either were when playing for United. One "mistake" and all hell breaks lose...
DDG deserves time to prove what he is made of. He isn't close to Schmeichel's or VDS' level yet, but he is a lot younger than either were when playing for United. One "mistake" and all hell breaks lose...
Can't blame De Gea for the points dropped yesterday, as it was a combination of not being able to finish the game off, poor officiating, poor defending that cost us as welll..Either way, De Gea had a few impossible saves that he made yesterday!
But I will say one thing that concerns me is how he made the same mistake again yesterday in parrying the ball right to an oncoming attacker's foot.
I'm not talking about the goal, but when Defoe was judged to be offside in the first half when De Gea parried that shot right in his path instead of around the post for a corner.
It's been a trend for the past few games!
But I will say one thing that concerns me is how he made the same mistake again yesterday in parrying the ball right to an oncoming attacker's foot.
I'm not talking about the goal, but when Defoe was judged to be offside in the first half when De Gea parried that shot right in his path instead of around the post for a corner.
It's been a trend for the past few games!
Edit: Sorry, double post. Nothing more worth saying. ladida
Owen's now speaking out and openly defending him on Twitter.
Good job De Gea's not from Bradford then...
This I agree with and worrying it is! He should be able to punch it wider, in a sense.
Doh.
'MANCHESTER UNITED are poised to make a move for Liverpool shot stopper Pepe Reina':
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/372310?
'MANCHESTER UNITED are poised to make a move for Liverpool shot stopper Pepe Reina':
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/372310?
Somebody got paid to write that. Actual money was transferred into someone's bank account for that piece.
If you're coming for the ball you gotta be willing to take out anything in your path. Knees up, elbows up. If you have to take out your centre half so be it. His shot stopping is unreal but until he loses his timidity in the air he'll never be the keeper he could be.
I don't know why people think that story is so ludicrous, Reina probably has an escape clause in his contract - certainly he did in 2011, he's clearly better than De Gea, well ahead of him in the pecking order for the national team (has De Gea ever made a Spain squad?) and he's at a club who are a lot less likely than us to win things despite having shown he's well capable of keeping goal for one of Europe's best sides in the past and he's previously said he'd be up for the idea of moving to us. He's been poor by his standards for a while, but I expect that's down to unhappiness at the way Liverpool is going, it's certainly not a physical thing, he's only 30. He could be a great signing.
Of course, this wouldn't necessarily spell the end for De Gea, if he's as good as people think he is, so good that Reina replacing him is laughable, he'd be able to force his way into the team.
Of course, this wouldn't necessarily spell the end for De Gea, if he's as good as people think he is, so good that Reina replacing him is laughable, he'd be able to force his way into the team.
Tbf, Reina is not THAT bad. He's fairly good looking, and seems like a happy chap. His goalkeeping though...
At what? Snooker?
We should just re-sign JOS, he was the best whipping boy we've had.
You have to be wumming, you just have to be.
Anyway, the Independent reckons Reina is off to Barca:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...place-victor-valdes-at-barcelona-8460670.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...place-victor-valdes-at-barcelona-8460670.html
Goalkeeping. That's why he is consistently in the Spain squad and De Gea isn't, and why Reina is often touted in the media as his replacement. I'm tempted not to even address this, most neutrals would just laugh at you if you said De Gea was better. In which areas do you think De Gea is better than Reina?
In that situation my opinion is that he needs to be a lot stronger when he comes for a ball like that or stay back and let the defenders take care of things. He was poor because he chose to come out but, didn't do enough to get the ball out of the danger area.
I honestly think DDG is better in almost every respect. No joking.
DDG has played in the Spanish U21, better to play him there regulary than being third choice behind Casillas and Valdes in the senior squad. That is the main reason for DDG not being in the senior squad I believe. Only a lunatic can say that Reina has been better than DDG this season.
Or last season.
You don't half talk some massive piles of shite.
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