I'm sure you're right, Vijay...but I only made the point that Ole replaced David on the right wing, which he did.
David Beckham: A pathetic joke footballer
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I'm sure you're right, Vijay...but I only made the point that Ole replaced David on the right wing, which he did.
I think he went because we bought Andy Cole the previous season. But age clearly had something to do with it. As for Beckham, he caused a split in the dressing room. Most players weren't happy with the circus. . . plus Real had tapped him up. Same went for Ruud - a training ground bust up with Ronaldo and a couple of trasnfer requests, helped pave his way out of Old Trafford. But Fergie usually gets it right, however, as I said earlier, his biggest mistake was Stam.
i always suspected that
And Stam went because he claimed that Fergie had tapped him up, so I don't think we can take the moral high ground on that issue.
Was the Ruud/Ron bust up confirmed? It always seemed a bit odd to me that if that was the case, why was Ruud so keen to have him at RM. Easy to say that they got over it, but human nature isn't generally like that. If it happened it led to Ruud being shipped out so was more than just a playground squabble.
Was the Ruud/Ron bust up confirmed? It always seemed a bit odd to me that if that was the case, why was Ruud so keen to have him at RM. Easy to say that they got over it, but human nature isn't generally like that. If it happened it led to Ruud being shipped out so was more than just a playground squabble.
Ruud was shipped out because he wasn't as effective as previously, was unhappy at the club, had requested a move a couple of times, and looked disinterested in matches. See Liverpool away in his final season for that. There were articles written at the time suggesting SAF was apoplectic with his performance in that game. I don't doubt this thinking back on his showing.
The Ronaldo bust-up was just indicative of his happiness at the club at the time. I'm sure they have gotten over it. They're adults after all. If not, it's still hardly surprising Ruud wants the best player in the world to join his club, is it?
Not sure about Ronaldo, tbh.
I always wondered if Ruud wanted Ronaldo just to upset Fergie. But then, I've got quite an imagination.
Not sure about Ronaldo, tbh.
I always wondered if Ruud wanted Ronaldo just to upset Fergie. But then, I've got quite an imagination.
me too - let's call it female intuition
Not sure about Ronaldo, tbh.
I always wondered if Ruud wanted Ronaldo just to upset Fergie. But then, I've got quite an imagination.
I'd say there's an element of that too, in fairness. But, let's be honest. If you can get the best in the world, a player who will create lots of chances for you, to join your club, you don't say no do you?
And if it upsets your former boss, who made it public he wanted rid of you, all the better.
much better!Yes, I like that better than "imagination".
actually the thought did cross my mind too when i read it in summer as i always get the feeling that ruud hasn't forgiven fergie.
i saw an interview ruud gave after keano left and he really was visibly upset by it - i wondered then what fergie would make it
Memorable caf quotes regarding Beckham
"He was our greatest player since George"
"Beckham at his peak > Maradona at his peak"
"He was our greatest player since George"
"Beckham at his peak > Maradona at his peak"
This is a joke, surely?
'fraid not. Those things have been said, and the respective posters were being dead serious.
nail and head.
of the players i've seen, i started supporting united in 1990, only giggs, keane and cantona belong in the first tier with charlton, law, best, edwards etc.
scholes, schmeichel, solksjaer, ronaldo, beckham, van nistelrooy and lots more besides are all legends to some degree. but amongst the legends there are some who, for whatever reason, transcend that group.
i was laughing because i found it ridiculous giggs wouldnt be considered in that select few. in future years it will be giggs, from the ferguson years, who will be seen as the greatest homegrown product and, with the flair of cantona and the agression of keane, as part of a trio of footballers who encapsulated best their managers vision.
1990? You`ve missed Robson out then.
One of many excellent posts by Livvie in this thread. He's certainly no favourite of mine, but to describe Beckham as "a pathetic joke footballer" is possibly the most crass and stupid comment I've ever seen on here.
Let's get back to the origival premis of the thread .... At no point in the thread have I said that Beckham was a 'pathetic joke footballer'.
I have said that HE HAS BECOME a pathetic joke footballer and the demise/his lack of influence at Galaxy is evidence of that.
We assume that he is making progress in MLS because the standard of football is lower, but it would seem from there results that he is doing anything but.
And in my opinion, that is very messed up given the level of play that Beckhams contemporaries like Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Nicky Butt are playing at.
Utter shambles .... and joke football. May as well give him a pom pom to he can do some cheerleading.
Thanks for sharing your perversions with the rest of the world. Arsewipe
Besides, for the record. Id rather wank over your momma than be caught dead wanking over any dude. Which can't be said about you. Fag
God almighty
One man has never been able to influence a team by himself...Galaxy is a rubbish team. Beckham realises that, probably never wanted to join them anyway, and is trying to reestablish himself in Italy.
Sorry, but it's hardly fair to blame Beckham because he can't work miracles. I doubt if any of the world's top players would do well there.
Thanks for sharing your perversions with the rest of the world. Arsewipe
Besides, for the record. Id rather wank over your momma than be caught dead wanking over any dude. Which can't be said about you. Fag
seriousley... you aint met my momma then
shes erm butch... so i guess that makes sence... she does look far more manly than the skirt wearing alice banded beckhamplay your cards right and ill introduce you some time kemo
Hold up now... everyone claims Cantona was the reason for United's success in the early-to-mid 90s. He must have influenced the club beyond any other team member. Or do the fans simply overstate his influence?
Maradona WC82, Baggio WC94 spring to mind.
Come on now Mr M - at least Cantona had something to work with. Had we had players of the standard of Galaxy I doubt he'd have been able to have much influence at all, but we didn't have a bad squad - we'd nearly won the Div. One title the season before.
You can't compare United with Galaxy, and therefore can't compare Cantona to Beckham.
I'm just saying it is possible for someone to have such a huge influence on most matches if not all as well as a huge influence in training and the lockerroom that can take an average squad to previously thought unattainable heights. Like Argentina 86 and Italy 94. Yes a few class players in those squads but each lead by a player that lifted the entire team on his shoulders, nearly single-handidly carrying them to the final. As for club football this would be much harder based on a long season as well as cup competitions. How good were Napoli before Maradona arrived?
Well I don't think David Beckham is in the same league as Eric Cantona in that respect anyway. But apart from that, Christ himself would struggle to influence the Americans to turn out a good football team. Sorry, soccer team.
The Galaxy were one of, if not the highest scoring team in MLS this season. Beckham did his job, he produced offense.
His team however was TERRIBLE at the back and leaked like a sieve.
If your team cannot defend all the goals in the world won't matter.
His team however was TERRIBLE at the back and leaked like a sieve.
If your team cannot defend all the goals in the world won't matter.
I wasn't. I was merely stating that he was and it could've been one the reasons why he didn;t sign a new contract.
Well I don't think David Beckham is in the same league as Eric Cantona in that respect anyway. But apart from that, Christ himself would struggle to influence the Americans to turn out a good football team. Sorry, soccer team.
I've always felt he was overrated (Beckham) but a good player in his best days with United. Still can put in a good match here and there.
America is a national version of say Bolton. But they consistently beat Mexico, make every World Cup (competition is a different matter), and on any given day hold their own against any nation. BTW, they've won the same amount of major tournaments as England have in the last 30-odd years.
Our professional league is a separate matter and I don't want to talk about it... it will only upset me.Sorry, Spoony - I didn't mean you personally. Just United supporters in general.
Now that I'm drunk I won't have much of a problem saying this
Had a dream last night we resigned him on a loan deal what with Valenica's injury and all. And in the morning/afternoon thinking on it I don't think it's that bad of an idea. I've been watching him in the center for LAG and he's been pretty good since returning for injury. I think he could do a job for us coming off the bench to be honest. 30 minutes here or there on the wing and he'd do alright.
At the least, we can have a nice discussion about it.
Had a dream last night we resigned him on a loan deal what with Valenica's injury and all. And in the morning/afternoon thinking on it I don't think it's that bad of an idea. I've been watching him in the center for LAG and he's been pretty good since returning for injury. I think he could do a job for us coming off the bench to be honest. 30 minutes here or there on the wing and he'd do alright.
At the least, we can have a nice discussion about it.
I love Becks for his contiunous loyalty to United. But for his to come back, its a nice romantic idea but I think our game's changed.
We use speedy wingers. If he is to play in the middle, who will he replace Scholes, Carrick or Ando? Plus it will decrease opportunities for other kids to come up. The problem last year was when we would break forward and fast, Berba would slow us down. I think Becks would be the same.
We use speedy wingers. If he is to play in the middle, who will he replace Scholes, Carrick or Ando? Plus it will decrease opportunities for other kids to come up. The problem last year was when we would break forward and fast, Berba would slow us down. I think Becks would be the same.
His drama queen antics and ridiculous salary demands, forced SAF to sell him up and to add insult to injury he refused to go to Barcelona who offered us a better transfer fee. Scholes and Giggs are loyal (the latter was given a blank cheque by Moratti because he adored him, and yet, he refused to leave United), not Beckham.
Beckham had all that it takes to outlive the fergie babes. His main strength (fantastic distribution of the ball) is the last thing to go. Unfortunately he decided to leave football and join the circus. No wonder why he is rotting in the MLS while Scholes, Giggs and co are still competing for important honours at the club they love.
Yes I'm sure Beckham is kicking himself about the career hes had.
he probably is
You know this Scholes and Giggs are loyal business is a bit unfair, neither of them had the star system thing like Becks or Ronie (and dont say they chose not to, Its just to do with looks, handsome & talented footballer etc) and you dont know how they would have acted if Real or Barca persistently offered them millions and a chance to spend some millionaire years in sunny Spain
Agree with everything but the underlined bit, Paul's ginger skin in Spain, ha ha?... and Giggsy was courted by lots of top European clubs for years. Anyway Becks didn't "act" like anything because of Madrid, the boy didn't want to leave.
This thread was stupid then and it's stupid now.
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