Danny Welbeck to Sunderland (Loan Watch)

Brwned; said:
I don't really think a back and forth of 'no, he does this' and 'no, he does this, he plays nothing like that' is going to lead anywhere lads...

I'd argue there are many similarities in Campbell's game to Gyan's, they're both very quick, direct runners on and off the ball, looking to go straight for the kill, and often very single-minded. They've both played on the wing for their clubs, playing similar roles of stretching the defence vertically and horizontally and looking to exploit the gap between fullback and centre back or just behind the fullback to penetrate the defence directly, while offering very little in terms of providing for others as a traditional wide man.

You don't often see typical target men played out on the wing, though he's shown he has the versatility to play the role I'm not sure that gets the best out of his main assets, and he was played there more due to a lack of options
up front in the Ghana team rather than that being his ideal role, I thought. He didn't hold the ball very well for a target man, in terms of bringing others into
play or simply carrying the ball up the pitch himself, he frequently gave it away.
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I've only seen him play for Ghana and he seemed to play the lone
striker/target man role pretty well. His international form seems to be better than his club form (from the stats) so maybe that is his best position. Either way, his signing will mean less chances for Welbeck.

Edit. Would I be right to presume that you've mostly seen him at club level when he was in Italy a few seasons back? Many young strikers are played wide early in their careers, before being moved more central.
 
datura said:
Eh? He's a big strong target man, like Jones.

He is nothing like Campbell at all.
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Yeah so because he's 5'11" plus maybe, he's a big strong target man. How about you watch him play before making assesments.
 
Well, i guess Welbeck will have to resign himself to a spot on the wings (if that). Can't see Bruce not play Gyan and Bent almost 95% of the time. (and I can't even see him play a 442 all that often, so chances are Gyan will have to play as a forward on the wings).
 
datura said:
I've only seen him play for Ghana and he seemed to play the lone
striker/target man role pretty well. His international form seems to be better than his club form (from the stats) so maybe that is his best position. Either way, his signing will mean less chances for

Edit. Would I be right to presume that you've mostly seen him at club level when he was in Italy a few seasons back? Many young strikers are played wide early in their careers, before being moved more central.
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Ghana has quite a few pacy genuine wingers and not too many out and out forwards that's why he was played as striker.
 
I still fancy Welbeck to get plenty of games even with the signing of Gyan. Sure Brucey will set out to justify his breaking of the Mackem's transfer record by playing Gyan in quite a few of the games but the proof of the pudding is that Gyan isn't even worth half the transfer fee that Bruce shelled out for him.
Foreign clubs must love doing business with the Premier League. Gyan is inferior to Welbeck and had it not been for his pace he Ghana would have probably stuck Junior Agogo upfront
 
I agree, based on what I've seen. Gyan has pace and power, but the disadvantage of being not very good.
 
They're going to start with Gyan and Bent aren't they? But Danny is next in line and should see plenty of games.
 
What a player we have on our hands with this kid!!

Though he was excellent today despite a slightly shaky first half(seemed to be the whole side in fairness).

He's got pace, power, technical ability(seem to be developing a Berba-esque first touch) and most importantly he seems to have very good vision.

MOM today, if he gets a decent season under his belt at Sunderland then I can see him being a big player for us in seasons to come.
 
BAMSOLA said:
What a player we have on our hands with this kid!!

Though he was excellent today despite a slightly shaky first half(seemed to be the whole side in fairness).

He's got pace, power, technical ability(seem to be developing a Berba-esque first touch) and most importantly he seems to have very good vision.

MOM today, if he gets a decent season under his belt at Sunderland then I can see him being a big player for us in seasons to come.
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Would he get enough games though? We have Rooney, Berba and Chicharito, all ahead of him, that's if we let go of Owen. Even if we let Diouf go, we still have Macheda, how are they all going to get enough playing time?
 
I'm glad he's started doing well at International level, even if it is for the U21's. Whenever I hear about the U21's it's never anything to do with Welbeck. He's a class act in the making.
 
Love his technique for his first goal. I may be turning a bit Scholsey here but I've always said he had great technique, he always knows exactly how to strike the ball depending on the situation, something which a lot of players lack.
 
Devil_forever said:
Would he get enough games though? We have Rooney, Berba and Chicharito, all ahead of him, that's if we let go of Owen. Even if we let Diouf go, we still have Macheda, how are they all going to get enough playing time?
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I'm not sure he will eventually play most games for us as striker. I think he'd make a better winger/outside forward much like he played for large periods today.
 
BAMSOLA said:
I'm not sure he will eventually play most games for us as striker. I think he'd make a better winger/outside forward much like he played for large periods today.
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I can't agree with that and even if he was to play out wide, we have a lot of options there too. I just think that he'll struggle to get the sufficient playing time at United that he'd need, to truly establish himself.
 
Devil_forever said:
I can't agree with that and even if he was to play out wide, we have a lot of options there too. I just think that he'll struggle to get the sufficient playing time at United that he'd need, to truly establish himself.
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I don't see it as a problem as I think he will be excellent if rotated with Nani and Valencia as well as Cleverley and Obertan.

Basically without arguing too much about positions I think when you have a young English player of his ability you find space.
 
BAMSOLA said:
What a player we have on our hands with this kid!!

Though he was excellent today despite a slightly shaky first half(seemed to be the whole side in fairness).

He's got pace, power, technical ability(seem to be developing a Berba-esque first touch) and most importantly he seems to have very good vision.

MOM today, if he gets a decent season under his belt at Sunderland then I can see him being a big player for us in seasons to come.
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You do this with every English/lesser known player!

If it's not Manucho it's Obertan, if it's not Obertan then it's Wheater...then there's suggesting people like Nolan, Yakubu to sign for us, you're just setting yourself up for a fall if you keep bigging them up!

I don't think today shown us anything we didn't already know about Welbeck today, we already knew he was wonderfully gifted and we already knew he that once he's fully grown he'll be very impressive physically, the only thing we weren't certain about was his application because his entire game was so natural he has a tendency to drift in and out but today he put in a top-notch shift.
 
Brwned said:
You do this with every English/lesser known player!
If it's not Manucho it's Obertan, if it's not Obertan then it's Wheater...then there's suggesting people like Nolan, Yakubu to sign for us, you're just setting yourself up for a fall if you keep bigging them up!
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Obertan is a player who I am excited about due to his abilty on the ball and age. I'm sorry if this offends you(the feck I am) but as a supporter I do actually enjoy the prospect of players at this club making an impact on the first team and I do get excited about these things. I believe and wish that more supported would instead of doing the oposite and writing players off before they've even turned 20. Me coming on this forum and talking up a young player who i've seen playing for united doesn't in anyway effect that players chances of making it. i only comment on players I've seen unlike some and i like players who play the game a certain way(with flair) much like Obertan and Welbeck do.

Manucho is a player I liked the look of and thought could do well for us as an option given his physical presence in the box at a time when Wayne still played like a withdrawn striker and Tevez was rarely a consistant threat in the box. Its obvious that the management team saw similar things in him or else they wouldn't have offered him a contract and unfortunately things didn't work out, due most likely to his age. That shouldn't really mean he couldn't have offered us an option we didn't have back then.

Yakubu I mentioned as a good option for us back when we were struggling for strikers back in 2007 I beleive. We had injuries to at the time and i thought as a regular premier league goal scorer he would have been a good option. We have since raised the bar alot more with the signings we've made in this area and so times and opinions change.

I suggested Nolan sign for us back in 2006 when he was within his first two seasons at Bolton and looked a very promising AM, back then we were actually playing Giggs and O'Shea as our CM combination so most midfielders especially one in the kind of goal scoring form he was in back then would have improved us in my opinion. Then we signed Carrick and the following season Anderson and the CM bar was raised whilst Nolan's intital promise tailed off. I'm not ashamed to say I recommended him as one of many good young english options and I certainly never went over board about it.

Wheater i'm assuming you mentioned as I said (partly to wind up Pogue) that he is is/will be a better player than Dunne. It was in 1 thread and I never talked about us signing him I've just never rated Richard Dunne very highly as I remember him mostly from his early city days. In the end Pogue and myself agreed to disagree and we left it there.

Brwned said:
I don't think today shown us anything we didn't already know about Welbeck today, we already knew he was wonderfully gifted and we already knew he that once he's fully grown he'll be very impressive physically, the only thing we weren't certain about was his application because his entire game was so natural he has a tendency to drift in and out but today he put in a top-notch shift.
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Its actually nice to see your back to your usual obnoxious self after promising to calm down in the football forums.

But tell me mate do you keep hard drives full of past comments that people have made on this forum, so that you can bring them up years later in a pathetic and petty attempt at point scoring?

I'm pretty sure you do as I see you doing it everytime you have even the slightest disagrement with any poster on this forum. The points you have raised once again have nothing to do with the topic being discussed and is just typical bullshit from you.

I saw a good performance today from a very promising young United player and wanted to discuss it around like minded individuals, I wasn't really expecting to have one of the biggest wankers on the forum to come along and jump down my throat for it.

Well done for consistancy though.
 
Ouch. That definitely hit a nerve...
 
I keep reading Welbeck is technically gifted. Which I am struggling to make a decision on. There is something just not right. This is hard to explain, because I haven't really seen anything like it before.
I think his coordination is just off. I haven't seen it before in a player but at times he can do some great touches and dribble amazingly good and then others the ball will just bounce off him. It is carelessness. Clumsyness. Casualness. Inconsistency. This is my problem with Welbeck - and also his average football brain. However, he is a great athlete, with an ability to do the passing finishes as Datura mentioned. Combine this with the inconsistent great skill and touches and there is a good player. I don't think he will make it at United but will probably end up staying in the Premier League. I keep trying to think of a similar player, who will look careless but just as brilliant in the same match, but for now I struggle.

Here is a video of Welbeck vs City - and also Diouf vs Arsenal. I think this youtuber is doing these everyweek so something to look out for.

 
Solius said:
Whenever I hear about the U21's it's never anything to do with Welbeck.
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Not about to change just yet...

Jack Wilshere is the new Eusebio, even though it was Welbeck who scored or made all the goals:smirk:

Can somebody fill me in on something... I've not seen much of Wilshere in the flesh, but fomr what I'd picked up this season he's a fairly deep lying midfielder - not a defensive one necesarily, but not a very attacking one either - maybe round about Carrick's position?

But in that article Pearce says "It was probably only Welbeck's performances in training that kept Jack out of the team.":confused:
 
Scholesy said:
I keep reading Welbeck is technically gifted. Which I am struggling to make a decision on. There is something just not right. This is hard to explain, because I haven't really seen anything like it before.
I think his coordination is just off. I haven't seen it before in a player but at times he can do some great touches and dribble amazingly good and then others the ball will just bounce off him. It is carelessness. Clumsyness. Casualness. Inconsistency. This is my problem with Welbeck - and also his average football brain. However, he is a great athlete, with an ability to do the passing finishes as Datura mentioned. Combine this with the inconsistent great skill and touches and there is a good player. I don't think he will make it at United but will probably end up staying in the Premier League. I keep trying to think of a similar player, who will look careless but just as brilliant in the same match, but for now I struggle.

Here is a video of Welbeck vs City - and also Diouf vs Arsenal. I think this youtuber is doing these everyweek so something to look out for.

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He's grown a ton over the last year and is still getting used to his new size. Of course he will be clumsy, but this can (gasp) be improved.
 
I was pretty impressed with that video, sure there are the odd misplaced through balls and dead end alleys but the kids 19
 
x42bn6 said:
He's grown a ton over the last year and is still getting used to his new size. Of course he will be clumsy, but this can (gasp) be improved.
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I remember Sir Alex saying something similar a year or so back and it certainly explains his mix of clumsiness and brilliance, as he's clearly a hugely talented lad but getting used to his growing physique. I reckon we'll see him mature as a player later than most and experience rapid improvement in his early 20s, much like Adebayor and Kanu have in recent years.
 
His goal against Derby in the Carling Cup two years ago was textbook Henry.
 
Devil_forever said:
Would he get enough games though? We have Rooney, Berba and Chicharito, all ahead of him, that's if we let go of Owen. Even if we let Diouf go, we still have Macheda, how are they all going to get enough playing time?
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If he can develop into a link man striker then why not. We have two players who can currently play that role, Berba and Rooney. I doubt that we will ever see the latter play that role again.
 
devilish said:
If he can develop into a link man striker then why not. We have two players who can currently play that role, Berba and Rooney. I doubt that we will ever see the latter play that role again.
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He could also play on the right and Fergie tried him there in the past.
 
BAMSOLA said:
I think thats where he will eventually settle as an outside forward or winger.
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Agreed, I could definately see him wide in a 4-3-3. His role in the team could be similar to that of Anelka At Chelsea or Henry when he was at Barca.
 
A1Dan said:
Not about to change just yet...

Jack Wilshere is the new Eusebio, even though it was Welbeck who scored or made all the goals:smirk:

Can somebody fill me in on something... I've not seen much of Wilshere in the flesh, but fomr what I'd picked up this season he's a fairly deep lying midfielder - not a defensive one necesarily, but not a very attacking one either - maybe round about Carrick's position?

But in that article Pearce says "It was probably only Welbeck's performances in training that kept Jack out of the team.":confused:
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i was at the u-21 match yesterday, and to be honest wilshere only came on at half time but it was obvious he was a class above everyone else, he is more of an attacking midfielder from what i saw. Welbeck played well, sometimes his touch let him down a bit, but he was working hard all match closing people down.
 
I keep telling people he is our own version of Muller from Germany!! Just progressing at a slower rate!!
 
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