No chance in hell he gets Welbeck. He might get Onuoha, Man City might not care, but Welbeck will be given a chance at United...
Danny Welbeck to Sunderland (Loan Watch)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Wouldn't be so sure, especially if a certain Jordan Henderson was involved in the deal....Fergies a clever man.
He is a clever man. Which is why Welbeck's going nowhere.
Unlike some on here Welbeck's performance today will have been no surprise to Fergie.
He didn't claim that Welbeck could make the 2010 world cup squad for nothing.
I think that was to give him some confidence at the top level more than actually believing he would make it.
Well given we already have plenty of striking options, a keen interest in a Sunderland rising star and a player on loan to them that they want, all im saying is i wouldn't be surprised if we came to some agreement on such a basis.
Speaking of "some on here"...
His improvement game by game has been astronomical(not sure that's correct, how can you improve game by game, yet astronomically? meh..). I've been watching all our loan players, every week, Cleverley and Welbeck specially.
I never jumped on the Frazier Campbell bandwagon, because he just seemed to be a quick player...but Danny is something else. He'll be given every chance to prove himself at United, and if he fails only then will he be sold, or if he pulls a Rossi.
I don't think Fergie will touch Henderson, and even if he does, Welbeck most definitely won't be a makeweight in that deal.
Very impressed with Danny today, if he keeps that up he'll make it no problem.
Have the dozey feckers on the mackem forums worked out he's anygood yet?
Have the dozey feckers on the mackem forums worked out he's anygood yet?
To be fair they have been the ones watching him week in week out all season.
I think that's probably true but you could always tell that - out of all our youngsters - Fergie has had the highest hopes for Welbeck. He won't speak bad of any young player but that was an unusually bullish statement. A real vote of confidence.
From the very first game played in his natural position.
To be fair, the more astute amongst them could see the potential even when he was shunted out left.
I've been following their forum pretty regularly since the loan was confirmed. Their change in tune since he's moved up top is quite amusing.
They're currently eating a lot of humble pie.
I'm liking the exciting options we have up front in Macheda and Welbeck...both these youngsters have shown great promise in spells and have had a fantastic weekend.
It is a problem for us though I think...Rooney, Hernandez, Berba, Welbeck and Macheda...looking ahead is that perhaps too many strikers? It doesn't even consider Owen, who we don't know for sure, or at all, if he's going at the end of the season. Fergie knows best and he'll know these youngsters will need games next season so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
It is a problem for us though I think...Rooney, Hernandez, Berba, Welbeck and Macheda...looking ahead is that perhaps too many strikers? It doesn't even consider Owen, who we don't know for sure, or at all, if he's going at the end of the season. Fergie knows best and he'll know these youngsters will need games next season so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
Which is the point, 5 strikers is great for squad depth but when at most 2 are starting every week it makes it hard to give them all enough game time and unless we're shunting out the likes of Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez etc anytime soon it will be the Welbecks of this world who see little time.
Fergies always said he loves to have 4 good strikers at his disposal at the start of every season, cant see all those being on the books myself.
I'd be very surprised if that wasn't our 5 strikers next season, with Owens contract not renewed at the end of this season, and Diouf sold on.
there is no way fergie is giving up on welbeck anytime soon
I dont think he will be for sale
I dont think he will be for sale
That was after his goal away to Derby (another stunning finish btw) and it turned out to be bollocks.
I'm not too bothered if he's pushed out wide when Bent is back. It's all about playing regular Premiership football at this stage.
I told you way back in 2008 that he was talent when you were all pratting on about Drinkwater and Brandy.
Only because of the potential for drinking puns. John Cofie's recently added another variation.
Credit where it's due though, I do remember you talking up Welbeck from his very first couple of appearances.
Super talent. Some people have been made to look like fools in this thread.
Some of the claims people have made are baffling:
Welbeck's creativity and link up play has always been very impressive, and it's shown throughout his loan spell at Sunderland, even before today.
It's clear you've seen very little of him or perhaps you're just clueless. Who knows?
Yeah, see, a lot of this isn't true. Welbeck was fantastic against Manchester City, at Anfield against Liverpool, and had a superb cameo midweek against Spurs in which he constantly unsettled their defence and managed to set up Gyan.
He's by and large been quite good for Sunderland before today. Today he was exceptional.
Some of the claims people have made are baffling:
Welbeck's creativity and link up play has always been very impressive, and it's shown throughout his loan spell at Sunderland, even before today.
It's clear you've seen very little of him or perhaps you're just clueless. Who knows?
Yeah, see, a lot of this isn't true. Welbeck was fantastic against Manchester City, at Anfield against Liverpool, and had a superb cameo midweek against Spurs in which he constantly unsettled their defence and managed to set up Gyan.
He's by and large been quite good for Sunderland before today. Today he was exceptional.
Please tell me you're talking about the very first question where the interviewer directs the question and the microphone at Danny.
You just got confused because the cameraman was focusing on Onouha.
Jesus Christ!
Sky Sports | Video | Football | Premier League | Chelsea 0-3 Sunderland - Welbeck
The first question was for Onouha, he looked as if he was ready to answer.
Welbecks lacks any class, and I do not like his personality.
Peter was also waffling on about Cathcart. Also, I don't think anyone on here was EVER that excited about Drinkwater (or Cleverley for that matter, so shows what we know) but Brandy was probably even more talented than Welbeck at 14/15.
Cathcart was also very good I thought he'd make it above all of them.
I didn't take the Brandy/Drinkwater comment seriously tbh but bearing in mind how rare it is for PS to talk up any United player his comments on Danny really stood out. Compared him to a young Thierry Henry iirc.
Well that contradicts what a lot of Sunderland fans have said about his performances this season.
No, it contradicts what some have said, mainly after a humiliating derby defeat. They've generally been quite positive, even when he was playing out of position.
Sky Sports | Video | Football | Premier League | Chelsea 0-3 Sunderland - Welbeck
Watching that interview is fantastic, entirely because there's a great young United player with a proper mancunian accent. When was the last time you heard that. The other lad should be playing for us as well, wasted at fecking City, he's always been far better than Richards.
Watching that interview is fantastic, entirely because there's a great young United player with a proper mancunian accent. When was the last time you heard that. The other lad should be playing for us as well, wasted at fecking City, he's always been far better than Richards.
He's getting bucketloads of praise from the media.
Here's The Telegraph's match report: Chelsea 0 Sunderland 3: match report - Telegraph
Here's The Telegraph's match report: Chelsea 0 Sunderland 3: match report - Telegraph
Wow, pimping him for a place in the England squad. I guess if this had happened last week he would have had a chance. He's got to have a brighter future for England than Jay Bothroyd.
Loved his celebration must say, did a Chelsea fan spit at him there though?
Welbeck was class today, what also has to be said is how good Sunderland were today too, Chelsea were distroyed today in defence. Sunderland have become the giant killers of this league, I think they are pushing on nicely. Fair play to Bruce.
He was excellent today, always looking to turn his man and make things happen. His control in tight areas was superb and he showed strength and awareness of his team mates for smart link-up play, it took a top drawer save from Chech to prevent his athletic header from giving Sunderland the lead and he worked his socks off; very very promising stuff.
I think the plan is for Rooney, Chicho, Macheda and Welbeck to be our striking quartet sooner rather than later.
I think the plan is for Rooney, Chicho, Macheda and Welbeck to be our striking quartet sooner rather than later.
I don't see any intention on Fergie's part to get rid of Berbatov.
It's great for Danny to have such a top game in his natural position today because it get's the doubters off his back and it builds his confidence up. It's all nice for anyone who has seen him in the youth and the reserves display his natural qualities over ninety minutes in the PL against the champions.
Nevertheless, there is no reason why when you break down his strengths and qualities as a player that he could develop into a player who can play across the front three either centrally or outwide. He was often used out wide in his youth team days, and this is probably the best chance he has of making it with United. I have always maintained this with Welbeck and sought for patience with him because he has massive talent.
WHen Bent is back to fully fitness Welbeck will be shunted out back wide left or be back on the bench. Bruce has to keep players who will be part of his future happy and he knows Fergie is not going to sell Welbeck so bearing injuries Gyan and Bent will more often not be the pairing for them.
I didn't say next season but he has one year left on his contract and will only be offered a years extension. I don't see any reason to not be hopeful that in 2 and half seasons time Welbeck and Macheda will be ready and when that happens a 32 year old Berbatov would not be needed.
Was he as good as being made? Or there is some exaggeration? I am being tempted to go watch the replay.
The entire Sunderland team were very good today and Danny was the best performer for them.
It's worth a watch if you can watch the full 90 minutes.
He was good, particularly the first half. Never used too feel too excited about Welbeck, he always seemed so gangly and rubber-legged, with an overly relaxed demeanour about him on field. (That's not saying he didn't have talent or ability).
Haven't seen him play for Sunderland until today, but have to admit he seems to have come on in leaps and bounds since he's been there. I'd watch the match if I were you.
Haven't seen him play for Sunderland until today, but have to admit he seems to have come on in leaps and bounds since he's been there. I'd watch the match if I were you.
OK. Just downloaded it. Going to forward and maybe do a compilation of his touches.
I only saw the highlights and read the match reports from his game versus Stoke, ditto for tonight's match. But I saw his second half performance against Spurs, and I can tell you that 19 year old strikers have been hailed as the next big thing for much less than what he's done the past couple of weeks. Just take a moment and consider the fact that he's doing it in the Premier League, and he's doing it against top teams while playing for a team that can hardly be classified as one (even though they've been very impressive at times this season).
For me this is the absolute best part of football, watching the youngsters stake their claim to fame, and it's all the more sweeter when it's one of our own, even if the shirt he's doing it in at the moment has a little too much white in it. I think in five years time when he's a regular for us, at the very least, we'll look back at this game and remember it as the one "made" him. A quantum leap towards the absolute highest level I'd say!
For me this is the absolute best part of football, watching the youngsters stake their claim to fame, and it's all the more sweeter when it's one of our own, even if the shirt he's doing it in at the moment has a little too much white in it. I think in five years time when he's a regular for us, at the very least, we'll look back at this game and remember it as the one "made" him. A quantum leap towards the absolute highest level I'd say!