Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Yeah, weird reactions, everyone saying he was either poor or our best player! I'm in the camp who thought he was very, very good. Our best outfield player for me, his touch, link up, distribution and defensive positioning from the front were absolutely top drawer.

Apart from the header I also don't think his finishing was too bad, just a touch unlucky. Yes you would back Hernandez or Ruud to bury those chances, but Welbeck just isn't on that level as a finisher yet, I just don't think it can be expected of him, although it may come.
 
Snow said:
Doesn't really matter a whole lot how his build up is for himself if he can't make anything of it not can it? The final product is his main problem. Like when he came on against Ajax. Shortly after he made that big touch down the left and ran past everyone where we were then 3 vs 2. All that build up for nothing because his pass was this half-assed pass with the outside of his foot.
I'm pretty sure he's a poor penalty taker because every time he comes inside the box he gets worse at football.

He's probably over thinking it too much when he has a chance to score or make an assist. His connection with the ball is sloppy and that's a sign of someone whose complacent or over analyzing the situation a bit too much and I definitely don't think he's complacent.
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He's got a very decent return of goals for someone his age as it goes, and link up play/movement is very important. It's about creating the space. It doesn't always have to be him that plays the final pass or puts the ball in the net...though it's not as if he never does this anyway...he does it a lot.

Have you forgotten what Andy Cole or Saha were like, or how much better they made us as a team? They were both god awful at converting chances. Cole used to send me into fits of rage...but it was about the problems they caused opposition as much as how often they put the ball in the net. Welbeck's a very similar player and also very young. Unless something weird happens, he'll get stronger, more experienced, and score more and more goals.

and he was great today. The Norwich defence didn't know whether to get tight to him or drop off. Whenever they tried to mark or kick him out of it, he was turning them, and whenever they tried to drop off, he was linking up play and creating problems in front of them.
 
Big fan of Welbeck but I thought he was very poor today. A lot of very heavy touches and seemed to hold back from running at their defence a couple of time. Needs to sharpen up in front of goal too. That header could've been very costly.
 
The goals will come soon enough, he's getting into good positions which is the main thing.

He does suffer a bit from the Berba's though, being so lackadaisical with a finish or pass that it goes astray when it was seemingly easier to find the target. At the same time he can also waltz through challenges without appearing bothered at all, so it has its advantages as well.

When he starts getting clinical and playing the percentages, as well as getting his partnership with Rooney fully honed, he's going to be an excellent player.
 
he has potential but today he could cost us 2 points, he is a striker not a midfielder therefore after Chicarito substitution he was in charge but he failed...poor today
 
noodlehair said:
He's got a very decent return of goals for someone his age as it goes, and link up play/movement is very important. It's about creating the space. It doesn't always have to be him that plays the final pass or puts the ball in the net...though it's not as if he never does this anyway...he does it a lot.

Have you forgotten what Andy Cole or Saha were like, or how much better they made us as a team? They were both god awful at converting chances. Cole used to send me into fits of rage...but it was about the problems they caused opposition as much as how often they put the ball in the net. Welbeck's a very similar player and also very young. Unless something weird happens, he'll get stronger, more experienced, and score more and more goals.

and he was great today. The Norwich defence didn't know whether to get tight to him or drop off. Whenever they tried to mark or kick him out of it, he was turning them, and whenever they tried to drop off, he was linking up play and creating problems in front of them.
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I'm not having a go at Welbeck. I'm talking about his performance today specifically and how this kind of finishing is a regular feature for him.

And he wasn't great today. At least not by my rating of strikers. Two of his best chances came whilst playing alone up top so don't be pawning that on to being a link up man. Three chances one vs keeper and 1 chance were he got a decent shot on but keeper made a good save.

Like I said. Pretty much everything else about his game is good but in games where we need goals it doesn't matter at all. You don't win games if you don't score goals.
 
Fiskey said:
Yeah, weird reactions, everyone saying he was either poor or our best player! I'm in the camp who thought he was very, very good. Our best outfield player for me, his touch, link up, distribution and defensive positioning from the front were absolutely top drawer.

Apart from the header I also don't think his finishing was too bad, just a touch unlucky. Yes you would back Hernandez or Ruud to bury those chances, but Welbeck just isn't on that level as a finisher yet, I just don't think it can be expected of him, although it may come.
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Agree 100% Fiskey
 
Another good performance, but he needs to be more clinical in front of goal. He had three great chances, I'm sure Rooney or Hernandez would score at least two goals from those situations. I still think he is our first choice striker though, but he really needs to score his chances.
 
The thing Welbeck has on his side, a bit like Rooney, is work rate. His game is much more than just goals and does a lot of chasing off the ball and gets involved in the build up so if he has a bad day it's less noticeable than the likes of Berbatov and Hernandez.
 
Welbeck has everything except doing well with chances if it's scoring or assisting in the end. It's more likely a mental problem because he's essentially doing the same thing further away from goal. First touch passing, holding the ball, taking on a man. But when it's come to being inside the box there's something missing.

Just needs some buffing out and he can be world class.
 
thought he did well except for not scoring which was what he actually needed to do to finish norwich off. but much better player than at the start of the season. he held it up well , linked it up but he has to finish better.
 
Pexbo said:
The thing Welbeck has on his side, a bit like Rooney, is work rate. His game is much more than just goals and does a lot of chasing off the ball and gets involved in the build up so if he has a bad day it's less noticeable than the likes of Berbatov and Hernandez.
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He links play and can operate in tight space better than those two as well.
 
Pexbo said:
The thing Welbeck has on his side, a bit like Rooney, is work rate. His game is much more than just goals and does a lot of chasing off the ball and gets involved in the build up so if he has a bad day it's less noticeable than the likes of Berbatov and Hernandez.
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Hernandez does not lack work rate. He lacks consistent on the ball skills.
 
More than happy with him, he was getting chances that if he'd have been a millisecond quicker would have been in the back of the net, he's still young and once it all clicks into place the lad could be lethal.
 
I'm surprised by the amount of criticism as I didn't think anyone considered him to be a great finisher. He's still developing, right now he brings a lot to the game but clinical finishing isn't one of them, it'll come in time.
 
Smores said:
I'm surprised by the amount of criticism as I didn't think anyone considered him to be a great finisher. He's still developing, right now he brings a lot to the game but clinical finishing isn't one of them, it'll come in time.
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To be fair, the headed chance didn't require him to be a great finisher. It was piss easy.

I thought welbeck did extremely well in the buildup today. But infront of goal he was poor. He has this habit of overcomplicating things at times. Just a bit of fine tuning. He improves in this aspect and hell be very complete.
 
Fiskey said:
Yeah, weird reactions, everyone saying he was either poor or our best player! I'm in the camp who thought he was very, very good. Our best outfield player for me, his touch, link up, distribution and defensive positioning from the front were absolutely top drawer.

Apart from the header I also don't think his finishing was too bad, just a touch unlucky. Yes you would back Hernandez or Ruud to bury those chances, but Welbeck just isn't on that level as a finisher yet, I just don't think it can be expected of him, although it may come.
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I don't expect to score from the type of chances Hernandez or Ruud are renowned for, just to see a bit more conviction with his shooting.
 
gambit28 said:
More than happy with him, he was getting chances that if he'd have been a millisecond quicker would have been in the back of the net, he's still young and once it all clicks into place the lad could be lethal.
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That is exactly what I thought. C Ronaldo was the same for a while, he was always getting in the positions but not finishing well. I remember one season he must have hit the post about 20 times, anyway, when it clicked for him he turned out all right.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Hernandez does not lack work rate. He lacks consistent on the ball skills.
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Welbeck is supposed to be a forward tbh I would expect better finishing from a centre half.

He had some decent runs today but lacks final third inteligence.
 
All 3 United said:
Welbeck is supposed to be a forward tbh I would expect better finishing from a centre half.

He had some decent runs today but lacks final third inteligence.
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it will come to him, other than today quite often he tries exquisite finishes but sometimes all he needs to to is hit it hard and low but he tries to do other things, a great example of this is vs Chesney Hawks of Arsenal or when he tried to bridge Pepe roni
 
Poor finishing from him today. He needs to be more clinical. He has three good chances to score. Lets hope he picks it up from now on and takes his chances. But he is involved in a lot of 1-2 passing, which is nice to see.
 
Have only seen highlights.
Could have had four goals but at least he is getting chances, in those positions and looking like a goal threat.
I've never thought Welbeck was ever the most clinical while he was coming through the ranks but now he is playing first team he will HAVE to sharpen up that side of his game and with time will.
But look at the chances he is getting and how much of a threat he looks - so much promise.
Compare that to the likes of Andy Carroll who rarely looks a danger.
 
Every single striker in the world misses sitters, the really encouraging thing was how many chances he had today. Up till now he only ever really seemed to get 2 or 3 chances a game max, nice to see him get in the positions 4 or 5 times today
 
Snow said:
I'm not having a go at Welbeck. I'm talking about his performance today specifically and how this kind of finishing is a regular feature for him.

And he wasn't great today. At least not by my rating of strikers. Two of his best chances came whilst playing alone up top so don't be pawning that on to being a link up man. Three chances one vs keeper and 1 chance were he got a decent shot on but keeper made a good save.

Like I said. Pretty much everything else about his game is good but in games where we need goals it doesn't matter at all.
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His chance in the first half was down to his own good work. The first time Giggs put him through in the second half was down to his own touch and movement...in fact Giggs played the return ball too far ahead of him.

He created several good openings for other players which we didn't take advantage of, and for much of the game was the only reason we ever made it out of our own half.

He's not all about scoring goals at all. Even when he plays up top ahead of Rooney, it's as much about stretching players away from Rooney as it is about Welbeck finding space for himself.

The two he missed at the end where Giggs set him up were the ones he should have done better with...but two chances at the death when cool experienced heads usually prevail, it's hardly criminal. One of them also involved some very alert goalkeeping. They were the kind of chances Rooney misses for fun too. To be fair I criticise Rooney when he misses them, but I don't judge Welbeck by the same standards yet...Rooney's got bags more experience. With Welbeck I'd be more concerned if he wasn't getting the chances or getting into games, but that's less and less the case the more he plays.


Snow said:
You don't win games if you don't score goals.
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Ironically, we beat Sunderland this season without scoring any goals, because Welbeck put Wes Brown under pressure and caused him to head the ball into his own net.
 
He has everything to be a good striker. Balance, strength, can shoot with both feet. Just need to have a little bit of accuracy.
 
Rooney was a good bit older than Welbeck is now when a lot of people were bemoaning his inability to convert chances. How times have changed. When he's through on goal nowadays, I expect him to score and am surprised if he misses.

Finishing is all about composure. Which improves with age/experience. Welbeck has proved himself a lethal finisher at underage/reserve level and demonstrated a range of clinical finishes for the first team. He'll get better and better in front of goal. Patience.
 
Welbeck is not a poor finisher per se - it was just one of those days. With more experience and composure, he would have scored easily
 
By some of the reactions in this thread, if you hadn't seen yesterdays game, you'd have thought that Welbeck missed about 10 sitters!

He missed one really good chance in the whole game... that's it! Other then that, he had one cleared off the line, and made their keeper pull off 2 excellent saves... so really, was his finishing that poor??

Also, his link-up play was cracking yesterday, the football and movement for both his chance and Hernandez's chance in the first half were first rate.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
By some of the reactions in this thread, if you hadn't seen yesterdays game, you'd have thought that Welbeck missed about 10 sitters!

He missed one really good chance in the whole game... that's it! Other then that, he had one cleared off the line, and made their keeper pull off 2 excellent saves... so really, was his finishing that poor??

Also, his link-up play was cracking yesterday, the football and movement for both his chance and Hernandez's chance in the first half were first rate.
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It's the best part of his game. Really good to see that inter-play with Hernandez. We already know how well he links up with Rooney, him and Cleverley have an almost telepathic understanding and remember that back-heel assist to Anderson?

No coincidence that he's been involved in all our slickest one touch passing moves around the box this season.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's the best part of his game. Really good to see that inter-play with Hernandez. We already know how well he links up with Rooney, him and Cleverley have an almost telepathic understanding and remember that back-heel assist to Anderson?

No coincidence that he's been involved in all our slickest one touch passing moves around the box this season.
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That's one of the things I found intriguing about Welbeck as an English striker.
He has a touch of x-factor/foreign flair about him.
To see an English striker come through and have flicks and tricks as such a notable part of their game is unusual, I would say.
Is that the Meulensteen effect?
 
Snow said:
Were pretty bad misses all three of them. He didn't connect with the ball properly on every single one. It is his most obvious weakness. Being a striker that's a poor finisher. Almost everything else is good.
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Agree with this. Really hope he can improve his finishing. Those misses were criminal.

Commadus said:
Strikers have it easier. just look at the flack DDG gets for a mistake. Yet missing 3 clear chances in a game is easily forgotten.
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If they wouldn't have been forgotten so easily if it wasn't for Giggsy saving his ass.
 
Fiskey said:
Yeah, weird reactions, everyone saying he was either poor or our best player! I'm in the camp who thought he was very, very good. Our best outfield player for me, his touch, link up, distribution and defensive positioning from the front were absolutely top drawer.

Apart from the header I also don't think his finishing was too bad, just a touch unlucky. Yes you would back Hernandez or Ruud to bury those chances, but Welbeck just isn't on that level as a finisher yet, I just don't think it can be expected of him, although it may come.
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Nah, he had 2 or 3 other top drawer chances in the last 10 minutes which he panicked with.
 
Remember how young Welbeck is still, he's only going to get better.

Hernandez has just lost his confidence, not nearly as composed as he was last season.
 
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