Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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goldenstatesplash said:
"He was born.. Good on the lad"...
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Okay well if you're happy for our supposed future striker to have as many goals in the last 2 seasons combined as he had when he was 22, despite playing twice as many games, then go ahead. I'd want a bit more then that personally. Scoring 10 goals is ok at best. It's not great though. If you're happy with games like today, where he doesn't really do much at all for the entire 90 minutes, then go on believing he had a great season. He'll never be a top player like that though. He has to seriously work on a few parts of his game, like consistency, like his positioning, getting into attacking positions, final ball, decision making, end product, etc., if he wants to become a top player. He's not a kid anymore. He's turning 24 this year. He has to make the step up unless he's content with being a squad player, and complaining in the media and asking for a transfer because he isn't an automatic first choice ahead of Rooney or Van Persie isn't the way to go about it, especially when he hasn't done enough to get in the team in front of them.
I like Welbeck but he shouldn't be praised just because he's homegrown.
 
Some of his touches around the halfway line were absolutely world class today. He drifted by defenders in a way almost none of our wingers have done this year. But then he reaches the box.

And screws up. Every time. If it needs to be a cross, he hits the first man. If it needs to be pulled back, he hits it to the back post. If it needs to be a shot, he mishits it. If he needs to keep dribbling, he falls over.

Someone needs to train him to do the exact opposite of whatever his first instinct is in the final third. He is baffling. So much ability, but it's like he crosses the 18 yard line and falls apart.
 
bosnian_red said:
Okay well if you're happy for our supposed future striker to have as many goals in the last 2 seasons combined as he had when he was 22, despite playing twice as many games, then go ahead. I'd want a bit more then that personally. Scoring 10 goals is ok at best. It's not great though. If you're happy with games like today, where he doesn't really do much at all for the entire 90 minutes, then go on believing he had a great season. He'll never be a top player like that though. He has to seriously work on a few parts of his game, like consistency, like his positioning, getting into attacking positions, final ball, decision making, end product, etc., if he wants to become a top player. He's not a kid anymore. He's turning 24 this year. He has to make the step up unless he's content with being a squad player, and complaining in the media and asking for a transfer because he isn't an automatic first choice ahead of Rooney or Van Persie isn't the way to go about it, especially when he hasn't done enough to get in the team in front of them.
I like Welbeck but he shouldn't be praised just because he's homegrown.
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If you like Welbeck then why can't you just sit back and say.. There is a player there and be fine with that? Why have you got to negatively pick through all of the deficiencies just to form an argument. I don't get it, for however old he is, to me he is fine playing up front. I don't like it when he plays on the flanks but that's not his fault. To get games he needs to be adaptable and he's shown that while in some parts he can be, the other parts suffer. It is what it is and I am not going to waste time moaning about it.

He's got plenty of time to become a top player. Even if he doesn't he's got plenty of room and time to at least make valuable contributions. Why does it have to be 'world class or not good enough for United'? When Van Persie goes and he finally has to step out on the plank then we can start judging him. He's not carrying the team yet and he's not the main man. Until he is, why not just sit back and have a little faith that he actually isn't as bad as some of the people running the scope over his flaws suggest.

I am also not saying 'don't discuss it' but it gets a bit tedious when people try to tell you he's rubbish. We can clearly all see that there is a pretty good player in there when he plays up front.
 
bosnian_red said:
Because of all the options we have up front, the only way for him to get games is off the wing as a wide forward or something, and when he plays there is when he usually just lacks any real penetration. Its out of position sure but there's not really much else to base his season off, other then 1 month of playing as a striker. That's why I say he hasn't had a great season. He had a great month and a half, but other then that, for various reason, was very inconsistent and didn't do much of note.
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Ever since C. Ronaldo left, our wide players haven't been direct and penetrative. Welbeck, a forward player, doesn't have the ability to create chances from out wide that our actual wide players and attacking midfielders have. Hence, even with his technique on the ball, good link-up play, and pace, he won't be that effective out wide as his crossing and final passes aren't that good.

He'll need to be played as a proper wide forward in order to be effective, not as a winger. If the new manager has him play as a wide forward, he can be more effective. He's not a winger, and if he plays as a winger, he won't ever be effective.
 
goldenstatesplash said:
If you like Welbeck then why can't you just sit back and say.. There is a player there and be fine with that? Why have you got to negatively pick through all of the deficiencies just to form an argument. I don't get it, for however old he is, to me he is fine playing up front. I don't like it when he plays on the flanks but that's not his fault. To get games he needs to be adaptable and he's shown that while in some parts he can be, the other parts suffer. It is what it is and I am not going to waste time moaning about it.

He's got plenty of time to become a top player. Even if he doesn't he's got plenty of room and time to at least make valuable contributions. Why does it have to be 'world class or not good enough for United'? When Van Persie goes and he finally has to step out on the plank then we can start judging him. He's not carrying the team yet and he's not the main man. Until he is, why not just sit back and have a little faith that he actually isn't as bad as some of the people running the scope over his flaws suggest.

I am also not saying 'don't discuss it' but it gets a bit tedious when people try to tell you he's rubbish. We can clearly all see that there is a pretty good player in there when he plays up front.
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Well it's a forum, where we discuss players' qualities and deficiencies... wouldn't be much discussion if someone said he's alright and everyone just left it at that and nobody talked about anything?

I'm not saying he's bad at all. He's a good player, just not ready to start week in week out for United, or at least hasn't shown it yet. I'm not picking through all his deficiencies, I'm just stating the key things that he lacks and he doesn't have much of a future here if he doesn't improve on them. He's shown this season by complaining and asking for a transfer just because he wasn't playing every single game, even though he didn't really merit it, so he's not somebody who will be content as a squad player. For United strikers, we've pretty much always had world class players up front. So in a way, it is become world class or not good enough for United to start. Maybe not world class, but if he wants to become a key player for us who starts all the time, he needs to become a top player at the very least. He has it in him, but he's got a long way to go and until now hasn't really progressed as well as he should have.

Also, there's no chance we'll wait or he'll wait until RVP and Rooney leave pretty much. RVP has another few years if he stays clear of injuries, Rooney has another 4 years probably as well of being top players, so can you see Welbeck being content with being played out of position or not being first choice? If we had the Europa league or Champions league it would help for next season as we could rotate a lot, but next season we'll be playing once a week all season, no need for rotation unless there's loss of form or injuries. That's why I'm saying its really important for him to improve quite a bit on this season, progress like we know he has the ability too, or else he just might not end up playing much next year and as a result he'll look to move on.
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
It really shouldn't be, especially not England fans. Emile Heskey scored 7 goals in 62 games for England, Welbeck already has 8 in 21 games.

Absolutely ridiculous comparison.
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Heskey has averaged 0.22 goals a game throughout his career. Welbeck has averaged 0.21 goals a game so far. They are so similar in terms of goal scoring output that it is uncanny. But yeah, it is because they are both black or something.
 
If he was more natural and lethal around the box he would be a quality player. I still rate him though. Think he needs more games in his best position though. Hopefully the new manager will see it and develop him into a top player.
 
When we see teams like City who have four players on 20+ goals this season can we really afford to waste time trying to turn Welbeck who averages 6 league goals a season for us, into a top forward?

Practically, I mean. The lad has completed three whole seasons with us, his fourth as a senior Premier League player and his finishing is no better now than it was then. His goal scoring average is a goal every 5 games (rounded up) which is a decent return for a midfielder but not really one who spends much time up top.

I don't mean to be mean about him but how long do we wait in the hope that suddenly he'll get that area of his game sorted. Generally isn't there supposed to be a progression rather than hoping something will dramatically change in his fifth or sixth season as a senior player? I'm not sure how much more patience we'll afford before we either move him on or resign ourselves to the fact that we're not going to make a 25 goal a season player out of him. Our patience can't be limitless
 
Plugsy said:
When we see teams like City who have four players on 20+ goals this season can we really afford to waste time trying to turn Welbeck who averages 6 league goals a season for us, into a top forward?

Practically, I mean. The lad has completed three whole seasons with us, his fourth as a senior Premier League player and his finishing is no better now than it was then. His goal scoring average is a goal every 5 games (rounded up) which is a decent return for a midfielder but not really one who spends much time up top.

I don't mean to be mean about him but how long do we wait in the hope that suddenly he'll get that area of his game sorted. Generally isn't there supposed to be a progression rather than hoping something will dramatically change in his fifth or sixth season as a senior player? I'm not sure how much more patience we'll afford before we either move him on or resign ourselves to the fact that we're not going to make a 25 goal a season player out of him. Our patience can't be limitless
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Are you talking about the league or everything?
(I assume you were talking about the league since you only mention Welbeck league goals). If you are talking only the league then
Are you sure if there are 4 players? Only Yaya scored 20 goals in the league this season.
Even for everything there are 3 players only. But those 3 players have more appearances than Welbeck.

Welbeck scored 9 "league" goals this season. And he's not always play as a strikers and only made a 15 league games as starter. We will know what happen if he has enough games as a striker.
 
JSMHE said:
Are you talking about the league or everything?
(I assume you were talking about the league since you only mention Welbeck league goals). If you are talking only the league then
Are you sure if there are 4 players? Only Yaya scored 20 goals in the league this season.
Even for everything there are 3 players only. But those 3 players have more appearances than Welbeck.

Welbeck scored 9 "league" goals this season. And he's not always play as a strikers and only made a 15 league games as starter. We will know what happen if he has enough games as a striker.
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Well the difference between his league total and his overall total this season is one goal so I don't see that being a huge distinction. Fine, let's take overall then. His overall average for is roughly a goal every 5 games (4.7 if you want to be exact)

There reaches a point where you accept someone's limitations. You can't just endlessly keep playing them on the basis that they might suddenly turn into a 20+ goals a season striker. Welbeck spends plenty of time in front of goal when he plays. People act as if he's tethered to the touchline. Yes he's often asked to do a job wide but he's also very often asked during significant periods of the game to play up top. It just seems as if excuses are being made. 36 appearances this season, 40 appearances the season before where he's had ample opportunities to improve his average. His average is poor. You could make excuses for him until he's nearly 30 but it won't change that.

Why would you give someone with that goal goal scoring record a run in the team a striker, unless you had to, anyway? It doesn't work like that. Players are supposed to force they way into the manager's plans not be afforded the chance to play up top regardless on the off chance that 'who knows, they might score'
 
Plugsy said:
Well the difference between his league total and his overall total this season is one goal so I don't see that being a huge distinction. Fine, let's take overall then. His overall average for is roughly a goal every 5 games (4.7 if you want to be exact)
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Well, if you are trying to compare someone then you need to compare them in exactly fair. Well anyway let's move on from there, I assume we will talk about the league because you are the one who started his league goals.
That's for Welbeck who played on the left in all his Champion League games.
That's why he scored more in the league because during RVP absent in December until mid January he played as a striker. Apart from 2nd leg Olympiakos game (which is CL) he never started a single game anymore from mid January until end of may (against City as a striker). Which is more than 2 months he didn't start any games. And only came from the bench against WBA (beginning of May). Even after City games, he only be a starter twice (Norwich (striker) and Southampton (left). Though he didn't score a goal at least he won the PK and yesterday Free kick.

Plugsy said:
There reaches a point where you accept someone's limitations. You can't just endlessly keep playing them on the basis that they might suddenly turn into a 20+ goals a season striker. Welbeck spends plenty of time in front of goal when he plays. People act as if he's tethered to the touchline. Yes he's often asked to do a job wide but he's also very often asked during significant periods of the game to play up top. It just seems as if excuses are being made. 36 appearances this season, 40 appearances the season before where he's had ample opportunities to improve his average. His average is poor. You could make excuses for him until he's nearly 30 but it won't change that.
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Well, I guess 8 starter game as a striker with 5 goals from total 9 goals. it's a good one.
From Aston Villa game until Chelsea game (league). Where he played as a striker, he scored 6 goals in 7 matches (5 goals + 1 goal against Norwich). If he played more as a striker from the beginning of match. He might score more goals. 36 apperances (I assume you are changing it again by including the other competition) And I guess you didn't know that 36 appearances is already included coming from the bench which some of them are only 5 until 10 mins. Even the one against Liverpool in capital one cup he came from the bench in only 1 or 2 mins left might already included in that "36 appearances".
Calm down mate, we haven't finish talking about this season. So there is no need to go far into previous season or when he turns 30.

Plugsy said:
Why would you give someone with that goal goal scoring record a run in the team a striker, unless you had to, anyway? It doesn't work like that. Players are supposed to force they way into the manager's plans not be afforded the chance to play up top regardless on the off chance that 'who knows, they might score'
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I don't only see Welbeck's goal. I never see someone from their goals only. Playing football isn't just about individual stats but it's a teamwork play. Players support each other. It's pointless in teamwork play for a player scoring hattrick but then giving the ball away and end up losing 4-3. Welbeck is very effective in teamwork team and play. He is always giving trouble to opponent defenders.
 
His goal scoring record in terms of his first 3 senior seasons here is worse than Giggs in his first full 3 seasons, worse than Beckham's his first full 3 seasons, worse than Paul Scholes his first full 3 seasons, worse than Kanchelskis over his first 3 seasons. In terms of league goals Steve Bruce's record between 1990-93 was virtually the same vs Welbeck's last three league seasons.

And I'd bet he's spent far more time up top, on average, during that time than most if not all of the above. Let's face it he is never going to be a 25 goals a season striker and we won't wait forever for him to become that. Its complete nonsense to pretend his chances up front have been limited this year. With the odd exception even games he started wide he has spent large parts of those games in an advanced/forward position.

If playing any part of a game as anything other than striker excuses someone their goal scoring record the with the places Rooney is often asked to play away from the CF role his record this year is mind blowing
 
His best position is as the left forward in a 4-3-3 imo. With Van Gaal's 4-3-3, I think he'll be perfect for that role. He needs to add a lot more goals next year though.
 
To be honest, if we'd had a good season as a team we'd all have been happy with Danny's progress. He scored a lot more goals, led the line well when we had injuries and showed vs Bayern that he has the pace and power to trouble defences.

Danny's main failing this year was not being a one man rescue mission able to save our failing season.
 
I will never turn against Welbeck because I was a great fan of his when most here seemed to view Macheda as the superior talent. During his loan spell at Sunderland, I promised he would return and play a key role for us in the next season, 2011/2012, which he of course did.

However, since that year I will concede his development has been stalled. Very worrying times when Welbeck, Jones, and Smalling all looked certain to become magnificent players, but have made zero progress over the past two seasons.

Will be happy to see Chicharito and van Persie leave so we can see Rooney and Welbeck link up again as they did so well in 2011/2012.
 
bishblaize said:
To be honest, if we'd had a good season as a team we'd all have been happy with Danny's progress. He scored a lot more goals, led the line well when we had injuries and showed vs Bayern that he has the pace and power to trouble defences.

Danny's main failing this year was not being a one man rescue mission able to save our failing season.
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I tend to agree with this, out of the attacking players this season, Danny has shown progression and for me when we needed him to step up with Rooney and RVP out he did. Now add the fact that our whole team in general this season has been poor, I think Danny personally has had a decent season.
 
Yes he scored more goals this year so that part of his game obviously improved from last season. But what am I missing?
I read on here all the time about how he will be a great player for us through the middle I just do not see it. His final ball, his decisions, his shooting all leaves a lot to be desired. If he had no pace or close control he'd be pretty ordinary. I like that he is a local lad who come up through the ranks but for me he will be no more than a squad player. If he is not happy with coming off the bench or doing a job out wide when necessary I'd happily see us make money from his sale and then buy a proven goal scorer. He will be 25 in September so hardly a young up and comer any more. I just think to challenge at the top we need someone who will score more than 32 goals in almost 100 starts. Hernandez is not that man, RvP will not go on forever and Rooney seems to think he is gods gift to the no 10 role.
Hopefully Wilson could prove a real gem as opposed to a Macheda.
 
NJM78 said:
Yes he scored more goals this year so that part of his game obviously improved from last season. But what am I missing?
I read on here all the time about how he will be a great player for us through the middle I just do not see it. His final ball, his decisions, his shooting all leaves a lot to be desired. If he had no pace or close control he'd be pretty ordinary. I like that he is a local lad who come up through the ranks but for me he will be no more than a squad player. If he is not happy with coming off the bench or doing a job out wide when necessary I'd happily see us make money from his sale and then buy a proven goal scorer. He will be 25 in September so hardly a young up and comer any more. I just think to challenge at the top we need someone who will score more than 32 goals in almost 100 starts. Hernandez is not that man, RvP will not go on forever and Rooney seems to think he is gods gift to the no 10 role.
Hopefully Wilson could prove a real gem as opposed to a Macheda.
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Just out of curiosity what is Wellbecks goal ratio when he actually is played as a Striker this season?
 
Cassidy said:
Just out of curiosity what is Wellbecks goal ratio when he actually is played as a Striker this season?
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If playing out of position for periods of the game negates or qualifies a goal scoring record Rooney must be up there with the likes of Ronaldo and Messi the amount of time he's asked to play deep or on the left or anywhere else on the pitch.

We have to stop this idea that because Welbeck starts a few games wide that he doesn't play up front. In the majority of games he plays he spends a significant amount of time up top. He may not start there or he may not end there but in-between he hasn't been without opportunities up top this year. He's certainly hasn't been a stranger in front of goal. He is used wide at times but is nearly always afforded large parts of every game to move inside.
 
NJM78 said:
Yes he scored more goals this year so that part of his game obviously improved from last season. But what am I missing?
I read on here all the time about how he will be a great player for us through the middle I just do not see it. His final ball, his decisions, his shooting all leaves a lot to be desired. If he had no pace or close control he'd be pretty ordinary. I like that he is a local lad who come up through the ranks but for me he will be no more than a squad player. If he is not happy with coming off the bench or doing a job out wide when necessary I'd happily see us make money from his sale and then buy a proven goal scorer. He will be 25 in September so hardly a young up and comer any more. I just think to challenge at the top we need someone who will score more than 32 goals in almost 100 starts. Hernandez is not that man, RvP will not go on forever and Rooney seems to think he is gods gift to the no 10 role.
Hopefully Wilson could prove a real gem as opposed to a Macheda.
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He'll still be 23 in September though he will be 24 at the end of November. Also, most players would be pretty ordinary if you took away two of their best attributes.
I'm a bit more optimistic about Welbeck than you but I do think that it's coming to crunch time with him. If he can't force himself into the first team picture a bit more next season then he should probably leave to further his career elsewhere.
 
Conrad said:
He'll still be 23 in September though he will be 24 at the end of November. Also, most players would be pretty ordinary if you took away two of their best attributes.
I'm a bit more optimistic about Welbeck than you but I do think that it's coming to crunch time with him. If he can't force himself into the first team picture a bit more next season then he should probably leave to further his career elsewhere.
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Yes you are right I took his date of birth from ESPN, obviously they are useless.
Did think it seemed a bit old but I feel about 50 after the season we've just had!

Well in that case he can have one more year but I'm also basing it on the apparent unrest and him potentially wanting to leave. It is just my opinion but I do not think he is more than back up quality.
 
NJM78 said:
Yes he scored more goals this year so that part of his game obviously improved from last season. But what am I missing?
I read on here all the time about how he will be a great player for us through the middle I just do not see it. His final ball, his decisions, his shooting all leaves a lot to be desired. If he had no pace or close control he'd be pretty ordinary. I like that he is a local lad who come up through the ranks but for me he will be no more than a squad player. If he is not happy with coming off the bench or doing a job out wide when necessary I'd happily see us make money from his sale and then buy a proven goal scorer. He will be 25 in September so hardly a young up and comer any more. I just think to challenge at the top we need someone who will score more than 32 goals in almost 100 starts. Hernandez is not that man, RvP will not go on forever and Rooney seems to think he is gods gift to the no 10 role.
Hopefully Wilson could prove a real gem as opposed to a Macheda.
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I think it's hope over expectation. It's almost as baseless as faith. We see a player who has consistently since he became a full-time/first team player score on average 7 goals a year being held up as an example as someone who will obviously score 20+ goals a season. It might happen but I can't see any reason to believe that. His future is as a 'deep' forward and his attributes far more in build-up than anything else. I just worry for him whether his contribution is at the level that we can't easily better either within the squad already or as it will stand after summer purchases.

I'd be very surprised if he's a regular first 11 player next season. He's does well at holding the ball up but I don't if that's enough compensation for other areas of his game for him to be anything more than a back-up/rotation option.
 
Plugsy said:
If playing out of position for periods of the game negates or qualifies a goal scoring record Rooney must be up there with the likes of Ronaldo and Messi the amount of time he's asked to play deep or on the left or anywhere else on the pitch.

We have to stop this idea that because Welbeck starts a few games wide that he doesn't play up front. In the majority of games he plays he spends a significant amount of time up top. He may not start there or he may not end there but in-between he hasn't been without opportunities up top this year. He's certainly hasn't been a stranger in front of goal. He is used wide at times but is nearly always afforded large parts of every game to move inside.
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I get your point, however take Rooney for instance.

When played as an out and out Striker on the two occations that I remember he scored 30+ goals in the season, he has only done that whilst playing as an out and out striker consistently during the seasons mentioned.

Yes Welbeck plays a significant amount of the game up top, but not as the main, or main goal threats, when he has this season he bagged goals. Also you have to look at his record for England too.

Anyway for me Wellbeck brings alot more to our attack than just goals anyway, however when people question his goalscoring record I think it's important to point out he is mostly not deployed as a Striker (even if he is deployed as an attacking winger/inside forward or whatever)
 
Cassidy said:
I get your point, however take Rooney for instance.

When played as an out and out Striker on the two occations that I remember he scored 30+ goals in the season, he has only done that whilst playing as an out and out striker consistently during the seasons mentioned.

Yes Welbeck plays a significant amount of the game up top, but not as the main, or main goal threats, when he has this season he bagged goals. Also you have to look at his record for England too.

Anyway for me Wellbeck brings alot more to our attack than just goals anyway, however when people question his goalscoring record I think it's important to point out he is mostly not deployed as a Striker (even if he is deployed as an attacking winger/inside forward or whatever)
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But Rooney rarely plays every game as an out and out striker. This idea that where you start is where you play doesn't hold true any more. Rooney starts up front but very often plays significant parts of the game holding on the wing or deeper. Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Kanchleskis all have a better record in their first three full seasons with us.

It's an okay return for an attacking midfielder but when you consider how much he does get a chance to play up front during games it isn't great. I certainly don't know where the insistence he'll suddenly more than double his average overnight comes from. I think that's crackers.

Mata's goal to games ratio for us is nearly twice as good and he rarely if ever gets any time as a 'striker' in games. In fact since Mata has been in England his goal scoring record is better. It's not to criticise Welbeck per se but he simply won't become someone who scores 20 goals a year, it's not within him to do that. His talents lie elsewhere and other than holding up the ball I don't know if his talents outshine what we have elsewhere.
 
Cassidy said:
Just out of curiosity what is Wellbecks goal ratio when he actually is played as a Striker this season?
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I'm not actually sure to be honest but he has hardly scored any goals from distance or from his own making. That's the crux of it for me he does get chances to score and he either A) has his legs in a knot B) tries to pass when easier to score or C) just blasts it as hard as he can and hope it goes in.
I think being a clinical finisher is natural. Yes even the best can shank one now and then but you look back at his goals for us and he scores some really nice instinctive flicks, when he has time he fails 9/10 just like Hernandez.
I just do not see him as a main striker or a target man. He is built like a sprinter and has great strength so it is easy to see why he is played out wide. However he does not have the passing range to play this position well enough. He really does need to either leave for his own good or be content with his squad player status IMO.
 
As a United fan I hope we keep him, because he has the talent to succeed here, but taking my tints off, he deserves to be starting for a major team. It's the only way he will develop the ability to score consistently and lose that clumsy factor. If I was him I would be looking to move to another club. Probably an Everton or Tottenham.
 
adexkola said:
As a United fan I hope we keep him, because he has the talent to succeed here, but taking my tints off, he deserves to be starting for a major team. It's the only way he will develop the ability to score consistently and lose that clumsy factor. If I was him I would be looking to move to another club. Probably an Everton or Tottenham.
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This I agree with maybe he will become less clumsy and more clinical if being the main man for another team. Lukaku has done wonders this year and Benteke the previous season. We cannot afford that luxury though when trying to get back into Europe's elite, RvP and Rooney will always be chosen ahead of him and I'm still hoping we buy another forward or give youth a chance in that back up role.
 
NJM78 said:
This I agree with maybe he will become less clumsy and more clinical if being the main man for another team. Lukaku has done wonders this year and Benteke the previous season. We cannot afford that luxury though when trying to get back into Europe's elite, RvP and Rooney will always be chosen ahead of him and I'm still hoping we buy another forward or give youth a chance in that back up role.
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I honestly wouldn't mind giving him the chance to start for us for an entire season, he has the potential. It might backfire, but what's life without risk? Plus we've always given chances to youth. Rooney and Ronaldo started for us as 18 year olds all those years ago. I understand if the manager and other fans think differently, but he needs to do the best for his career, and I'm not sure staying with us will be the best for him personally.
 
adexkola said:
I honestly wouldn't mind giving him the chance to start for us for an entire season, he has the potential. It might backfire, but what's life without risk? Plus we've always given chances to youth. Rooney and Ronaldo started for us as 18 year olds all those years ago. I understand if the manager and other fans think differently, but he needs to do the best for his career, and I'm not sure staying with us will be the best for him personally.
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He's 24 in November he isn't 'youth'. In fact he's older now than Kagawa was when he joined.
 
adexkola said:
I may have used "youth" liberally. What is your point though? :confused:
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The point is that you compared two 18/19 year olds who were streets ahead to someone who is 23/24 and tried to make a comparison solely on the fact you consider them "youth"

Rooney and Ronaldo played regular when they were 18/19 so Welbeck should, seems to have been what your point was.
 
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