Dani Alves | PSG Player

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Raoul said:
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Surprising that although not so much about PSG offering him incredible wages, just that City wouldn't come close. Speculation that his new fashion model of a wife preferred life in Paris over Manchester, can't fault her there

Sporting wise, disappointing since Dani could've/would've added something special to City's attack - we'll see if it ends up a good move with Emery et al. Alves must've been enticed by the large Brasilian contingent in Paris too
 
Martial said:
It seemed he turned down the higher offer offered by City.

Also a few Italian sources have said over the year that Alves said off-the-record that he didn't like playing under Guardiola despite all the public comments, and were surprised when it seemed as if he was about to rejoin him.
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Not true on the wages, reports are that he will be getting €14 million per season at PSG - more than KDB, Silva et al. I am sure it came down to the wages, Brasilian contingent and Paris. The player bungled a lot of his finances ahead of his divorce from his current agent (Yep, can't make that up) and I'm sure financial security weighed into it for a player who has already won & proved everything

As for the not a fan of Pep nonsense, not sure I've come across a professional footballer more direct & true to his word than Alves - he has always been effusive in his praise of Guardiola
 
FCBarca said:
As for the not a fan of Pep nonsense, not sure I've come across a professional footballer more direct & true to his word than Alves - he has always been effusive in his praise of Guardiola
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So direct and effusive in his praise despite stringing Guardiola along all summer and humiliating him by rejecting to rejoin him last-minute after giving City his word.
 
Martial said:
So direct and effusive in his praise despite stringing Guardiola along all summer and humiliating him by rejecting to rejoin him last-minute after giving City his word.
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Sounds like you want to manufacture your own narrative, money talks and P$G won out
 
FCBarca said:
Sounds like you want to manufacture your own narrative, money talks and P$G won out
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I mean, Mina Rzouki also repeated it last night on the BBC. Apparently Alves was less than effusive about Guardiola behind closed doors.

And the proof is in the pudding, he turned down Guardiola despite giving him his word. You don't do that to a manager you are effusive over. It seems like it was just a ploy to get more money from PSG.

Also, I wasn't surprised he left Juventus so soon, as Italian Journalists including Mina Rzouki stated last year that Alves audibly belittled the size of Juventus in front of minor staff many times at the start of the season, stating that he saw them as a "small club".
 
Nick7 said:
Do you use the cent symbol for City then?
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No one is quite sure what PSG are doing but City actually look like they intend to build something longterm - I would say that is the biggest difference apart from leagues.
 
FCBarca said:
No one is quite sure what PSG are doing but City actually look like they intend to build something longterm - I would say that is the biggest difference apart from leagues.
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My question stands. They're both oil money clubs. Does City get the cent symbol? Or does acting like a child only fit your agenda when it doesn't involve Pep?
 
FCBarca, Pep's PR machine. If Pep wasn't there he would surely add a dollar sign. But they're building something unlike Psg who is just throwing money away.
 
Nick7 said:
My question stands. They're both oil money clubs. Does City get the cent symbol? Or does acting like a child only fit your agenda when it doesn't involve Pep?
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My response stands, if you think PSG & City are the same you've allowed your bias to lump one Arab owned club vs another. Last I checked, it's Qatar that is the dubious player in politics & sport (i.e. World Cup bid fiasco, slavery & supporting terrorism) as PSG is owned by the country itself while City is privately owned. One has made it a point to not just buy a club or winning but create a project and develop ties within the community coupled with a stable infrastructure that has not changed with each passing season like their Parisien counterparts.
 
To add a bit more to the Dani Alves thing, turns out City were very much in for him and increased their offer by a substantial amount at the last minute, they offered 3 million more euros in terms of salary but he still picked Paris.
 
FCBarca said:
My response stands, if you think PSG & City are the same you've allowed your bias to lump one Arab owned club vs another. Last I checked, it's Qatar that is the dubious player in politics & sport (i.e. World Cup bid fiasco, slavery & supporting terrorism) as PSG is owned by the country itself while City is privately owned. One has made it a point to not just buy a club or winning but create a project and develop ties within the community coupled with a stable infrastructure that has not changed with each passing season like their Parisien counterparts.
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Mansour is the the deputy prime minister of the UAE, minister of presidential affairs and member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi, is the half brother of the current President of UAE, and sits on the board of The Supreme Petroleum council and countless other government owned companies boards.

Let's not pretend, that he isn't government.

Now, back on topic...
 
FCBarca said:
No one is quite sure what PSG are doing but City actually look like they intend to build something longterm - I would say that is the biggest difference apart from leagues.
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Nothing indicates your claim that Citeh are building for the future. Their " state of the art" youth development system and facilities have failed to produce even a single young player who Pep fancies to have a future in the XI. Just because they have offloaded some over the hill average players and brought in well known talents for huge sums doesn't make it building for the future. The fact that Pep is after Sanchez despite having the likes of Jesus, Sterling and B.Silva just shows how their priority is immediate success rather than taking a risk with these talented young players. The Sheiks and Pep want immediate success, not building some long term dynasty.
 
AN17 said:
Nothing indicates your claim that Citeh are building for the future. Their " state of the art" youth development system and facilities have failed to produce even a single young player who Pep fancies to have a future in the XI. Just because they have offloaded some over the hill average players and brought in well known talents for huge sums doesn't make it building for the future. The fact that Pep is after Sanchez despite having the likes of Jesus, Sterling and B.Silva just shows how their priority is immediate success rather than taking a risk with these talented young players. The Sheiks and Pep want immediate success, not building some long term dynasty.
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Hmm, I don't know enough about the differences or similarities between how City and PSG are run to get involved in the debate per se, but I think you're underestimating what City are doing in Manchester. They are investing heavily (time and money) in the local community and infrastructure, which is creating goodwill and helping them to win the hearts and mind of youngsters in the city who a few years ago wouldn't have given City a second thought unless their dad had brainwashed them. Talented youngsters are actively choosing to play for City over United now and that would have been unthinkable a few years ago. United need to up their game or they will be left behind - especially if Guardiola manages to win a Champions League or two over the next few years and they start to claw back some of the gulf in glamour and prestige that currently exists between the two clubs.

I don't think City would be so interested in the community/infrastructure/regeneration of local areas/youth football if they weren't trying to build something for the long-term. Just using the fact they currently don't have any decent youth products as a metric is missing a lot of the point - these things take time and it might not be for another few years until that pays dividends...again, the fact that they are doing it at all suggests that they have a bigger picture in mind.

Having said all of that it may be that PSG are doing exactly the same things in Paris - I don't know...
 
AN17 said:
Nothing indicates your claim that Citeh are building for the future. Their " state of the art" youth development system and facilities have failed to produce even a single young player who Pep fancies to have a future in the XI. Just because they have offloaded some over the hill average players and brought in well known talents for huge sums doesn't make it building for the future. The fact that Pep is after Sanchez despite having the likes of Jesus, Sterling and B.Silva just shows how their priority is immediate success rather than taking a risk with these talented young players. The Sheiks and Pep want immediate success, not building some long term dynasty.
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Development takes time, La Masia didn't produce world class talent for a long time after it was revamped by Cruyff in the 70s

I am not arguing the merits of the academy, just that City & their ownership have taken a distinctly different approach to building a longterm project than the Qataris
 
BBRBB said:
City offered more money to Alves.
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If that were true then a different story but so far nothing corroborates that theory - especially when you consider that the salary it would take to do that would trump every other City player, making it highly unlikely. PSG on the other hand, are renowned for paying silly money
 
AN17 said:
Nothing indicates your claim that Citeh are building for the future. Their " state of the art" youth development system and facilities have failed to produce even a single young player who Pep fancies to have a future in the XI. Just because they have offloaded some over the hill average players and brought in well known talents for huge sums doesn't make it building for the future. The fact that Pep is after Sanchez despite having the likes of Jesus, Sterling and B.Silva just shows how their priority is immediate success rather than taking a risk with these talented young players. The Sheiks and Pep want immediate success, not building some long term dynasty.
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Or both.
 
FCBarca said:
If that were true then a different story but so far nothing corroborates that theory - especially when you consider that the salary it would take to do that would trump every other City player, making it highly unlikely. PSG on the other hand, are renowned for paying silly money
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So what corroborates your theory that he's moving to Paris for the money? Or can you only make assumptions when it suits your festish?
Plus I'm pretty sure City have spent more money than PSG through the year so you're talking absoulute drivel here.
 
cyberman said:
So what corroborates your theory that he's moving to Paris for the money? Or can you only make assumptions when it suits your festish?
Plus I'm pretty sure City have spent more money than PSG through the year so you're talking absoulute drivel here.
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Repeated reports in media of the wages PSG offered (More than double City) along with PSG's history of using money to get what they want - care to name any aspiring footballers that have been enticed to PSG's project for sporting reasons?
 
BBRBB said:
French sources report that City offered higher wages when they realised he was going to Paris. Unlike City at the start of their "project", PSG never offered silly wages and always paid market value. Anyway your prejudice seems too strong to have a meaningful conversation, let's get back to tweets.
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:lol: You took very long to realize that.
 
FCBarca said:
Repeated reports in media of the wages PSG offered (More than double City) along with PSG's history of using money to get what they want - care to name any aspiring footballers that have been enticed to PSG's project for sporting reasons?
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The location plays a big part in players moving to PSG.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
The location plays a big part in players moving to PSG.
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Right, location over money. Same wages, Alves would be at City right now regardless of Paris vs Manchester as locations


BBRBB said:
French sources report that City offered higher wages when they realised he was going to Paris. Unlike City at the start of their "project", PSG never offered silly wages and always paid market value. Anyway your prejudice seems too strong to have a meaningful conversation, let's get back to tweets.
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No prejudice, just the facts. Try providing these alleged French sources, even L'equipe is echoing what you can largely find on twitter - more than double the money to go to Paris.

Here are some tweets







 
Alves was pretty decent from what I saw last season.. Considering he is moving on a free, 115k wasnt exactly a great offer for his last (big) contract.
 
FCBarca said:
Right, location over money. Same wages, Alves would be at City right now regardless of Paris vs Manchester as locations




No prejudice, just the facts. Try providing these alleged French sources, even L'equipe is echoing what you can largely find on twitter - more than double the money to go to Paris.

Here are some tweets







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That's nice face saving briefing from City.
 
Borden said:
For a 34 year old full back that's an excellent offer. £230k is just obscene.
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On a free. No transfer fee. Its not any 34 year old. He is still performing at a pretty high level..

and there has to be some incentive for him to move from a team as good as Juventus.
All that considered, 115k/week doesnt sound tempting enough.
 
prateik said:
On a free. No transfer fee. Its not any 34 year old. He is still performing at a pretty high level..

and there has to be some incentive for him to move from a team as good as Juventus.
All that considered, 115k/week doesnt sound tempting enough.
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He was unhappy at Juventus, doubt he needed much other incentive.

On £115k he'd be one of the (if not THE) highest paid full backs in the world.
 
that figures are 100% bullshit.

psg have not a single player above 200k wages (euros). he chose paris most likely over manchester as i highly doubt psg would destroy their wage structure for a 34 year old rb in his last years of football. in fact psg's current squad average wage is €131,100
 
VanGaalEra said:
That's nice face saving briefing from City.
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Le Parisien and L'Equipe both point to Alves on same wage bracket as T.Silva & Cavani at PSG which convinced the player. Irony is many PSG fans furious with the move & wages but c'est la vie en France
 
FCBarca said:
Le Parisien and L'Equipe both point to Alves on same wage bracket as T.Silva & Cavani at PSG which convinced the player. Irony is many PSG fans furious with the move & wages but c'est la vie en France
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Irony is City fans or pep fan boys crying over wages.
 
FCBarca said:
Le Parisien and L'Equipe both point to Alves on same wage bracket as T.Silva & Cavani at PSG which convinced the player. Irony is many PSG fans furious with the move & wages but c'est la vie en France
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Maybe City offered more than their putting out to the press in order to save face?

Maybe you've already linked it, but can you give me the Le Parisien and L'Equipe links?
 
VanGaalEra said:
Maybe City offered more than their putting out to the press in order to save face?
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Yet even French papers fail to mention it? Unlikely. It's even more unlikely that Txiki et al would risk turning heads within the squad by putting Dani on the highest wages - perhaps the biggest difference between the two clubs apart from owners & leagues. At PSG, they all are focused on their wages
 
Ah yes, City, a club that spent more than any other club in the world last summer, and will probably end up spending more than any other this summer, weren't prepared to pay Alves as much as PSG. of course, that's completely believable...if you're gullible.
 
ChaddyP said:
any Dani Alves tweets?
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He had an odd instagram post, perhaps trying to spin it in a positive way. I remember his financial issues at the time of his divorce and he has always said he doesn't play for the money but this sort of deal gives him the financial security you'd hope for at this stage of your professional career. Can't say I fault him there but gotta wonder what has been going on behind the scenes, I think it's a big blow to City & Pep
 
FCBarca said:
Try providing these alleged French sources, even L'equipe is echoing what you can largely find on twitter - more than double the money to go to Paris.
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It was was mentioned on L'Equipe TV on the same show that broke Dani Alves to PSG last week.
FCBarca said:
Irony is many PSG fans furious with the move & wages but c'est la vie en France
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Now you're straight up lying, I'll just put you on ignore list.
 
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