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Absolutely shocked that after all the posturing and £20m nonsense…
suddenly Newcastle do in fact want to negotiate and speed up his exit.

£6m compensation and starting in September would be my guess.
 
One thing is for certain.

We cannot afford another Woodwardian decade.

If Ashworth can't get it together, and soon, he needs to be clipped regardless of reputation.
 
macheda14 said:
Yes be incredibly impatient in the restructure. That’s the spirit.
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We were patient with Woodward. Look where that spirit took us.

No more rewards for consistent failure.

Give Ashworth two manager appointments to fulfil
his remit. Not a decade plus. Executive cronyism is a massive reason for our club's decade-plus of failure to progress.

Let's combat it now.
 
brontelicious said:
We were patient with Woodward. Look where that spirit took us.

No more rewards for consistent failure.

Give Ashworth two manager appointments to fulfil
his remit. Not a decade plus. Executive cronyism is a massive reason for our club's decade-plus of failure to progress.

Let's combat it now.
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The entire p of an appointment like Ashworth, is to ensure consistency of club strategy and direction behind the scenes, regardless of the current manager, coaches or players.

Implementing your two manager deadline would completely defeat the purpose of having him.
 
Article suggests the deal they’d want to do is to let him join United before the end of the year.

Cant see the point personally. I’d either do the deal to get him in before May, or dig my heels in
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Oh, I must have forgot Woodward was a proven DoF that probably just needed “patience” to back up his excellent CV and standing in the game.
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Woodward was a mate of the big cheese who was allowed carte blanche to destroy us, with impunity, on the basis of who he knew.

diarm said:
The entire p of an appointment like Ashworth, is to ensure consistency of club strategy and direction behind the scenes, regardless of the current manager, coaches or players.
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Good. Let's hope he is a success at the role.

However, 'consistency of club strategy and direction' is what Woodward was supposed to do. The terms are not self-explanatory, either. Quite arbitrary.

diarm said:
Implementing your two manager deadline would completely defeat the purpose of having him.
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It wouldn't as much tell Ashworth we'd better see some consistent on-field results with his appointments, or he too will face the chop.
 
macheda14 said:
Yes be incredibly impatient in the restructure. That’s the spirit.
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He’s not wrong. If we can’t get the recruitment right this summer then what’s the point in him being here to collect a fat salary and sign players that Madrid are trying to get off the books?

If our signings aren’t inspired this summer then you have to ask what the feck is going on.
 
brontelicious said:
We were patient with Woodward. Look where that spirit took us.

No more rewards for consistent failure.

Give Ashworth two manager appointments to fulfil
his remit. Not a decade plus. Executive cronyism is a massive reason for our club's decade-plus of failure to progress.

Let's combat it now.
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I’m already getting tired of his name. Sack Ashy, sell Rashy.
 
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Foolsgold21 said:
Absolutely shocked that after all the posturing and £20m nonsense…
suddenly Newcastle do in fact want to negotiate and speed up his exit.

£6m compensation and starting in September would be my guess.
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No, Newcastle posters on here said there was no way that would happen.
 
brontelicious said:
One thing is for certain.

We cannot afford another Woodwardian decade.

If Ashworth can't get it together, and soon, he needs to be clipped regardless of reputation.
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Woodward was the CEO, and had zero experience in football.

Ashworth is going to be DoF, and has decades of experience in football.

Different roles, different experiences. Cant even compare them.
 
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Redivy said:
Woodward was the CEO, and had zero experience in football.

Ashworth is going to be DoF, and has decades of experience in football.

Different roles, different experiences. Cant even compare them.
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Again, the point is both men will be given senior authority to improve our fortunes.

Another point is that Ashworth's position ought not to be 'mate's rates' like Woodward, and if results/performances et al do not improve quickly, Ashworth be gone.

We cannot afford another mediocre decade of cronyism.
 
brontelicious said:
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Again, the point is both men will be given senior authority to improve our fortunes.

Another point is that Ashworth's position ought not to be 'mate's rates' like Woodward, and if results/performances et al do not improve quickly, Ashworth be gone.

We cannot afford another mediocre decade of cronyism.
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Yeah let’s make the incoming DoF solely accountable for short-term results and performances. He’ll have to dust off that magic wand of his.
 
brontelicious said:
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Again, the point is both men will be given senior authority to improve our fortunes.

Another point is that Ashworth's position ought not to be 'mate's rates' like Woodward, and if results/performances et al do not improve quickly, Ashworth be gone.

We cannot afford another mediocre decade of cronyism.
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Your points are all over the place man, sorry. You're equating things that are entirely different for some reason.
 
brontelicious said:
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Again, the point is both men will be given senior authority to improve our fortunes.

Another point is that Ashworth's position ought not to be 'mate's rates' like Woodward, and if results/performances et al do not improve quickly, Ashworth be gone.

We cannot afford another mediocre decade of cronyism.
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You won’t know if Ashworth is successful until 24 months at the earliest. His role is to improve our scouting department, fitness department, recruitment department, and coaching staff.

The first year will probably just be putting new processes in place.
 
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brontelicious said:
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Again, the point is both men will be given senior authority to improve our fortunes.

Another point is that Ashworth's position ought not to be 'mate's rates' like Woodward, and if results/performances et al do not improve quickly, Ashworth be gone.

We cannot afford another mediocre decade of cronyism.
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You don’t hire and fire DoF’s like coaches, they are hired to layout a roadmap for the clubs style and vision. It’s up to the coach to make it happen
 
brontelicious said:
We were patient with Woodward. Look where that spirit took us.

No more rewards for consistent failure.

Give Ashworth two manager appointments to fulfil
his remit. Not a decade plus. Executive cronyism is a massive reason for our club's decade-plus of failure to progress.

Let's combat it now.
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I’ll be surprised if choosing the manager will solely be on Ashworth. Watch the video on his early Brighton role talking about Hughton and Potter, it was the board and owner at the time that wanted the change, it was the owner who thought Potters vision matched the vision he seen for the club. I’d imagine the footballing board will have a massive say on Man Utd next manager, so not sure how you’d lay that solely on the door of the Technical Director.
 
Zen86 said:
Yeah let’s make the incoming DoF solely accountable for short-term results and performances. He’ll have to dust off that magic wand of his.
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Yeah, let him hire his mates and blame everyone around him when it goes wrong.

Redivy said:
The first year will probably just be putting new processes in place.
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Let's make sure they're working processes, and not the same repeated failures of the outgoing executive class.

Rooney in Paris said:
Your points are all over the place man, sorry. You're equating things that are entirely different for some reason.
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I'm not. Well, I clearly am, but I'm not.

A person's role at the club should be based on success and hard results, not, like Woodward, who you know.

I'm probably way off, it's a week day after all, but am concerned about the new regime.

GoonerBear said:
I’ll be surprised if choosing the manager will solely be on Ashworth.
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If he's marginally involved, he's involved.

Wish him, and the new set-up all the best, but we can't keep allowing executives make mistake after mistake with impunity.
 
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Any news who recruitment manager would be ? Heard of names like Paul mitchell and Jason wilcox.
 
meninred said:
Any news who recruitment manager would be ? Heard of names like Paul mitchell and Jason wilcox.
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Not sure we've settled on anyone yet.

Either way, it looks like we're setting up a proper structure, between Berrada, Ashworth, whoever we're chasing for that role, and whoever the chief scout is/will be, we'll have a decent recruitment team in place, meaning that we'll (hopefully) avoid shit deals like Antony in the future.
 
crossy1686 said:
He’s not wrong. If we can’t get the recruitment right this summer then what’s the point in him being here to collect a fat salary and sign players that Madrid are trying to get off the books?

If our signings aren’t inspired this summer then you have to ask what the feck is going on.
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What on earth is Ashworth going to do in 2-3 months? (leading up to the summer, can’t expect him to scout and buy players during the whole summer, surely? Especially when there’s no structure in place.)

The structure isn’t even in place, you won’t see the fruits of Ashworth’s labour until next Summer, possibly January at the earliest!
 
His job will be to put the right people in the right positions. Along with Berrada, he will meet with the board and set the criteria by which we hire managers, coaches, scouts, recruiters and all other football related staff.

They will be ultimately responsible for the style of football we play and our strategy when it comes to developing, recruiting, coaching and retaining or moving on players.

If our recruitment is poor in the short term, he’ll be the guy who replaces the cogs in the wheel who are responsible for identifying players and signing them.

If the head coach is not performing in the short to medium term, he will be the guy who leads the process to replace him with someone who can better execute the playing style identified.

Likewise for medical staff, academy staff, and analysts.

His effectiveness will be judged on their long term performance of such decisions. If after 5-6 years, we are still seeing a succession of ineffective managers and wasteful recruitment, then it will be time to ask questions about the guy at the centre of the wheel.

If we are going to move for a person who is seen as one of the best in the field, and go through all the trouble of prying him away from a reluctant Newcastle, we need to give him time to reshape the long term structure of the club. It’s not a role you start judging him on after 6 months or a year.
 
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i has been told constructive talks have taken place between Darren Eales and his Manchester Unitedcounterparts this week – but sources have suggested the two clubs remain a fair distance apart on a fee and terms of an agreement for Ashworth to move to Old Trafford.

A suggestion that a £9m fee was close to being agreed was strongly rebutted by Manchester United this week. Sources at Old Trafford suggest Newcastle paid £3m to Brighton for Ashworth and any compensation will be closer to that. The Magpies, obviously, want more – especially if he is to start immediately.
 
UnitedSofa said:
What on earth is Ashworth going to do in 2-3 months? (leading up to the summer, can’t expect him to scout and buy players during the whole summer, surely? Especially when there’s no structure in place.)

The structure isn’t even in place, you won’t see the fruits of Ashworth’s labour until next Summer, possibly January at the earliest!
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I would hope Ashworth already has an extensive list of targets who he feels would improve United and some plans of structure he wants to implement, otherwise what's the point? If we want someone to just sit on their arse and twiddle their thumbs all summer while they wait for scout reports we might as well just stick with what we have.
 
UnitedSofa said:
What on earth is Ashworth going to do in 2-3 months? (leading up to the summer, can’t expect him to scout and buy players during the whole summer, surely? Especially when there’s no structure in place.)

The structure isn’t even in place, you won’t see the fruits of Ashworth’s labour until next Summer, possibly January at the earliest!
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We'll see the benefits of Ineos' takeover in fifty years...
 
UnitedSofa said:
What on earth is Ashworth going to do in 2-3 months? (leading up to the summer, can’t expect him to scout and buy players during the whole summer, surely? Especially when there’s no structure in place.)

The structure isn’t even in place, you won’t see the fruits of Ashworth’s labour until next Summer, possibly January at the earliest!
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Yup. People need to understand that this is not a quick fix and that it will likely be a painful and lengthy process to get back on top.
 
Redivy said:
You won’t know if Ashworth is successful until 24 months at the earliest. His role is to improve our scouting department, fitness department, recruitment department, and coaching staff.

The first year will probably just be putting new processes in place.
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That's not good enough, we should be champions by the end of August otherwise he should be sacked.
 
diarm said:
His job will be to put the right people in the right positions. Along with Berrada, he will meet with the board and set the criteria by which we hire managers, coaches, scouts, recruiters and all other football related staff.

They will be ultimately responsible for the style of football we play and our strategy when it comes to developing, recruiting, coaching and retaining or moving on players.

If our recruitment is poor in the short term, he’ll be the guy who replaces the cogs in the wheel who are responsible for identifying players and signing them.

If the head coach is not performing in the short to medium term, he will be the guy who leads the process to replace him with someone who can better execute the playing style identified.

Likewise for medical staff, academy staff, and analysts.

His effectiveness will be judged on their long term performance of such decisions. If after 5-6 years, we are still seeing a succession of ineffective managers and wasteful recruitment, then it will be time to ask questions about the guy at the centre of the wheel.

If we are going to move for a person who is seen as one of the best in the field, and go through all the trouble of prying him away from a reluctant Newcastle, we need to give him time to reshape the long term structure of the club. It’s not a role you start judging him on after 6 months or a year.
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This, whilst recruitment is our major flaw we also have issues in terms of fitness, progression of players and mentality. I expect Ashworth, Brailsford and others to see to it that the players we have become fitter, more robust and that we see clear progression in terms of improvement as currently our players don't really improve as much we would desire.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m convinced you’re a troll.

Still thinking that things will be the same despite a clear structure being put in place with the business.
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Aye, if somebody disagrees with you, this means they're a troll. It just cannot be they disagree with the mighty you.

A different structure in place creates a difference in structure, only. We need a difference in performance, and standards. Results. My point is consistent: if the new structure doesn't improve results then its executives need to be removed, not
excused.

Greenwood's possible return, if last night's news is accurate, is a bad start. Players should not be moving to excuse their mate.

Allowing players to do what they want without serious consequence. Jolly off to Spain on full wage. Return with an unscrutinised PR campaign.
 
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