Damien Duff
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Altho' you should never signa player on the strength of performances in the World Cup, the tournament has helped sharpen my thoughts on who we should be after. Duff who looked a good bet be4, has proved he can cope at the highest level. i can't honestly think of someone I'd be happier for us to sign. He could paly wide left giving us the option of Giggsy upo front, on the right with Giggsy left ( Terrifyinggggg) up front with Ruud. He would also give giggsy the pressure on his place he needs and hasn't really had since he first broke thru' and vied with sharpie.
I have been on eof those who would prefer Veron to stay in the hope he can come good. But given the realities of the finances it's hard to argue that if we could get Rio for 25 mill and duff for 15 and were offered 30 for Seba ( barcelona.. remember they payed 25 for Overmars for Christs sake) that it would not represent fantastic business.
I have been on eof those who would prefer Veron to stay in the hope he can come good. But given the realities of the finances it's hard to argue that if we could get Rio for 25 mill and duff for 15 and were offered 30 for Seba ( barcelona.. remember they payed 25 for Overmars for Christs sake) that it would not represent fantastic business.
Duff would be great. He can cover for Giggs and Beckham as well as being our fourth striker. He should get enough games to be satisfied.
If Fergie thinks Ronaldo is worth buying for football reasons he should be bought. I have serious doubts about the 'conspiracy theories'.
My concerns are:-Many seem to think that a Portugese speaking coach and the Nike deal will help us sign him. Some even suggested we got Queiroz because he speaks Portugese. I hope this is not the case. If it is Nike will probably insist that Ronaldo plays regardless of what is best for the team. Do we want Nike executives picking the team based on shirt sales prospects or Fergie picking the team for football reasons?
If Fergie thinks Ronaldo is worth buying for football reasons he should be bought. I have serious doubts about the 'conspiracy theories'.
My concerns are:-Many seem to think that a Portugese speaking coach and the Nike deal will help us sign him. Some even suggested we got Queiroz because he speaks Portugese. I hope this is not the case. If it is Nike will probably insist that Ronaldo plays regardless of what is best for the team. Do we want Nike executives picking the team based on shirt sales prospects or Fergie picking the team for football reasons?
Hoping Ferdinand comes, hes jumped to the top of my defender wish list.
Duff would be a very useful player, for all those reasons; pace, penetration, holds up the ball, shoots well(scored some good goals off his right this sesason), distributes well, and gets stuck in. 20mil is a lot, but if his form continues another season there will be no argument with 20mil. His versatility(cover for Giggs, link-up for RVN) also adds a lot to his value and means he would get plenty of games with us. I wouldn't mind a midfield of Giggs-Duff-Scholes-Keane-Beckham, with RVN hammering them in. With Yorke and Fortune probably going, I would have no reservations moving for Duff.
To fuel the conspiricy theories further, I believe the following are 'Nike' players: Ferdinand, Duff and Mexes.
But before we get too excited with another attacking player, a couple of defenders are needed- Rio, thurham, Ayala, or whoever. BTW if Romania were at the the WC we would be talking about Chivu(CB/LB-Ajax,22).
Duff would be a very useful player, for all those reasons; pace, penetration, holds up the ball, shoots well(scored some good goals off his right this sesason), distributes well, and gets stuck in. 20mil is a lot, but if his form continues another season there will be no argument with 20mil. His versatility(cover for Giggs, link-up for RVN) also adds a lot to his value and means he would get plenty of games with us. I wouldn't mind a midfield of Giggs-Duff-Scholes-Keane-Beckham, with RVN hammering them in. With Yorke and Fortune probably going, I would have no reservations moving for Duff.
To fuel the conspiricy theories further, I believe the following are 'Nike' players: Ferdinand, Duff and Mexes.
But before we get too excited with another attacking player, a couple of defenders are needed- Rio, thurham, Ayala, or whoever. BTW if Romania were at the the WC we would be talking about Chivu(CB/LB-Ajax,22).
The only reason Butt got a look in last season was because of Seba's injury and the dropping of Becks. It was only his form after he was re-introduced that kept him in the side.
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
Thats just speculation. Duff has so many opportunities to get a foul but how many times did you see him wrestling with 2-3 players trying to stay on his feet?
He tried to stay on his feet the majority of the time, when he was outside the box.
Do you think he'd risk such a suspicious penalty claim when he had the player beaten?
If he had the player beaten, why did he go down? The ball was going to go out of play, if not, cause a difficult cross to be made. And of course he's going to try it as it aint suspicious at full speed.
Btw, you're contradicting yourself, you said "he was lunging and leaning across the defender" earlier - you don't do that if you've already beaten him!
I dont think you've ever even tried this so how can you judge?
I've played footy all my life, not much recently due to injury, but I know all the tricks just like the next guy does.
I dont dive because we dont even play with fouls when I play with friends.
Your friends don't play with fouls? How old are you?
If your trailing foot doesnt come up to catch you, you fall.
If my trailing foot doesn't come up to catch me I fall? wtf are you on about?
It seems you think you know it all i.e. you know what Duff intended, you think you know I dive. What more can you read from your tea leaves?
You seem to think you know it all too mate, did Duffer call you and tell you he didn't intend to get a penalty?
You said you do it, he dived, ergo, you dive!
I don't need tea leaves SC, just a TV and slo mo replays.<hr></blockquote>You seem like a good SC kid but your youthful naivety needs to wisen-up a tad.
Anyway, I'm off to watch Italy v's So Ko. I bet Inzaghi doesn't dive in this game either.
We dont foul each other, its very rare. Average age of group is 20/21. Fouls just dont occur - its kinda strange now that I think about it. In the event that there is a foul we do have free kicks etc. These are all friendly games with friends. Competition is different.
Duff was across the player, he had lunged across and had him beat. There was no way he could be tackle without conceding, the defender was eliminated from the game.
He didnt dive, he may have looked for the foul. I dont care too much, but your cynical view is too cock-sure for my liking. There is no way you can be sure he dived/waited for it.
When you run that fast, your body is propelled (almost falling) forward, leaving your legs behind. You then bring your leg forward to catch yourself, and then propel/fall forward again - this is the whole process of walking/running. When your legs are caught behind you, you have nothing to interupt your fall, and obviously, your fall continues. Basic science. or even P.E!
Its very possible he was caught like that. Its also possible he was looking for it - there was definite contact. But someone said he was already mid-dive before contact - I argue that this was just the process of running.
And Inzaghi is not a diver, he is just very small and delicate.
Duff was across the player, he had lunged across and had him beat. There was no way he could be tackle without conceding, the defender was eliminated from the game.
He didnt dive, he may have looked for the foul. I dont care too much, but your cynical view is too cock-sure for my liking. There is no way you can be sure he dived/waited for it.
When you run that fast, your body is propelled (almost falling) forward, leaving your legs behind. You then bring your leg forward to catch yourself, and then propel/fall forward again - this is the whole process of walking/running. When your legs are caught behind you, you have nothing to interupt your fall, and obviously, your fall continues. Basic science. or even P.E!
Its very possible he was caught like that. Its also possible he was looking for it - there was definite contact. But someone said he was already mid-dive before contact - I argue that this was just the process of running.
And Inzaghi is not a diver, he is just very small and delicate.
I didnt think we were discussing the entire summer spending spree. I usually discuss each rumour seperately.
Only thing I presume is that our defence is priority. I try not to go into how many players we'll buy/sell, budgets or how much any player will cost. I dont know any of these, I can only speculate/guess so I rarely do so.
Theres too many things to consider i.e. is Silvestre leaving. Is Veron leaving. Is Blanc leaving? Can we even sell Yorke?
But since you push me - if we can get £37m from Yorke £4m, Veron £30m and Fortune £3m. (Already I'm pushing the boundaries with the sale of Veron)
Rio = £26m (confident about this though)= £11m leftover.
If Transfer budget is £25m like you suggest = £36m.
£10m on a fullback = £26m spare on any world class player you want. Ronaldo, Nesta etc. We need a 4th striker too - thats key to success.
I think we have enough to get Duff, just that we dont rate him as high as the asking price.
Only defenders I want are Mexes and Rio. Nesta ok. Thuram, Ayala = no no. So I'm not as bad as you think. I'm aiming for 3/4 players this Summer depending on who leaves as well.
Any problems?
Only thing I presume is that our defence is priority. I try not to go into how many players we'll buy/sell, budgets or how much any player will cost. I dont know any of these, I can only speculate/guess so I rarely do so.
Theres too many things to consider i.e. is Silvestre leaving. Is Veron leaving. Is Blanc leaving? Can we even sell Yorke?
But since you push me - if we can get £37m from Yorke £4m, Veron £30m and Fortune £3m. (Already I'm pushing the boundaries with the sale of Veron)
Rio = £26m (confident about this though)= £11m leftover.
If Transfer budget is £25m like you suggest = £36m.
£10m on a fullback = £26m spare on any world class player you want. Ronaldo, Nesta etc. We need a 4th striker too - thats key to success.
I think we have enough to get Duff, just that we dont rate him as high as the asking price.
Only defenders I want are Mexes and Rio. Nesta ok. Thuram, Ayala = no no. So I'm not as bad as you think. I'm aiming for 3/4 players this Summer depending on who leaves as well.
Any problems?
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>I didnt think we were discussing the entire summer spending spree. I usually discuss each rumour seperately.
Only thing I presume is that our defence is priority. I try not to go into how many players we'll buy/sell, budgets or how much any player will cost. I dont know any of these, I can only speculate/guess so I rarely do so.
Theres too many things to consider i.e. is Silvestre leaving. Is Veron leaving. Is Blanc leaving? Can we even sell Yorke?
But since you push me - if we can get £37m from Yorke £4m, Veron £30m and Fortune £3m. (Already I'm pushing the boundaries with the sale of Veron)
Rio = £26m (confident about this though)= £11m leftover.
If Transfer budget is £25m like you suggest = £36m.
£10m on a fullback = £26m spare on any world class player you want. Ronaldo, Nesta etc. We need a 4th striker too - thats key to success.
I think we have enough to get Duff, just that we dont rate him as high as the asking price.
Only defenders I want are Mexes and Rio. Nesta ok. Thuram, Ayala = no no. So I'm not as bad as you think. I'm aiming for 3/4 players this Summer depending on who leaves as well.
Any problems?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It makes sense if you sell Veron as you suggest, I wasn't aware that you were of that mind. What with him being a good foreign player n'all.
Rio is being talked about as costing more than Nesta now considering how they've done in the WC, and Rio being younger. And of course there is O'Leary's comment of £40m which is of course him talking up the price. I'm slightly skeptical that they'd sell anyway, but if they did I would expect it to be for £30-35m. If we don't get him then Nesta would cost 25-30 and probably nearer the 30, although I think he is Juve bound. Thuram we could get for £20m and this seems the most likely, and maybe Ayala as well for £10m. If we got those 2 then that would be our ordinary transfer budget, plus revenues from the sale of yorke and fortune, gone. If we wanted ronaldo then it would have to be as a swap/sale of veron (or someone else?), which would reduce our number of midfielders by two (fortune and veron) - so Duff would be a better bet, but he doesn't want to leave, his club don't want him to leave nor need to sell, and we would probably only offer him a squad place.
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Rio is being talked about as costing more than Nesta now considering how they've done in the WC, and Rio being younger. And of course there is O'Leary's comment of £40m which is of course him talking up the price. I'm slightly skeptical that they'd sell anyway, but if they did I would expect it to be for £30-35m. If we don't get him then Nesta would cost 25-30 and probably nearer the 30, although I think he is Juve bound. Thuram we could get for £20m and this seems the most likely, and maybe Ayala as well for £10m. If we got those 2 then that would be our ordinary transfer budget, plus revenues from the sale of yorke and fortune, gone. If we wanted ronaldo then it would have to be as a swap/sale of veron (or someone else?), which would reduce our number of midfielders by two (fortune and veron) - so Duff would be a better bet, but he doesn't want to leave, his club don't want him to leave nor need to sell, and we would probably only offer him a squad place.</strong><hr></blockquote>
haha its these kind of posts I try to avoid. I end up going on for ages about this possibility and that etc.
I think the Rio deal was agreed pre-WC (read my Joe Cole, Duff and Rio thread) and the price was set at £20-£25m. Since then I think our board will up that to £26m just to be generous. If not then I cant see these £35m rumours materialising.
If we're talking budget buys I think we got a good chance of getting Desailly short term and waiting for Mexes although I'd dislike Desailly. fergie loves him - did you see Fergie after our Chlsea game? He was clapping our players then Des walked past, immediately Fergie jumped all over him, arms round shoulder, pat on the back type thing - it looked very chummy. Kinda gay actually.
I dont think we'll get Thuram for £20m - I'd rather not get anyone. Dont rate Ayala much at all...I hear Breen is on a free
Veron : I try to support struggling players. I think he is trying his best to adapt and fit in and play for the club. If it was a case of not trying I'd kick him out before Fergie could. Plus I dont like the fact so many reds have been taken in by this anti-veron campaign. But I would sell him for the sake of the team.
What's the likelyhood of United getting Mexes? Is he a player Fergie admires?
Dont know why, but I almost consider him a Utd player - Fergie is definitely in for Mexes even if he has cooled on Cisse.
We're the favourites, Roma chasing him also though and he has said he'd like it in Roma. So I'd say its between us and Roma. We're leading because Ferguson is really going after this guy.
Guy Ruox has said awhile back that Mexes will be a Man Utd player in Summer 2003. God I hope so.
We're the favourites, Roma chasing him also though and he has said he'd like it in Roma. So I'd say its between us and Roma. We're leading because Ferguson is really going after this guy.
Guy Ruox has said awhile back that Mexes will be a Man Utd player in Summer 2003. God I hope so.
Thanks
Bad news re. Duff; Liverpool are very close to signing him
He's rubbish anyway
He's rubbish anyway