Damien Duff

If Fortune has to go:

Fletcher - is he ready?
Richardson - " " "
Djordic - Seems a bit frail to me.
Chadwick - He's kack on the left.

At this point, I'd ship any one of the above off to B'burn + cash for Duff, no problem.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Errr... what about Fletcher, Richardson, Djordic, Chadwick? The left winger position is one of our most catered for positions. Duff is going to be too expensive now for a very low priority, and imo unrequired, squad place.</strong><hr></blockquote>


give blackburn giggs and a few million and get duff
;)
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>If Fortune has to go:

Fletcher - is he ready?
Richardson - " " "
Djordic - Seems a bit frail to me.
Chadwick - He's kack on the left.

At this point, I'd ship any one of the above off to B'burn + cash for Duff, no problem.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Duff is young, if we get him then it means that all our best youngsters will never get a 1st team place. Should we just shut down the academy then?
 
Don't write off Ryan just yet. He remains a world class player but unfortunately for us due to frustrating inconsistentcy and injuries a flawed genius all the same. Without having seen Richardson and having doubts about Chadwick playing on the left - he's better on the right, as well as Djordic's future, Duff would be a great signing. He seems to be able to play on either flank and would also allow David to come inside and be more influential. Ryan should remain at United but unfortunately we can no longer completely rely on him. Perhaps he should now play more of an impact role coming off the bench.
 
Duff is class, and i posted a few months back that we should sign him.
However, Giggys not finished either by a long shot. Id actually like to see the 2 of them play together!
 
Damien Duff, Superstar!

He's great. He'd be great at United.

But a word of warning on this WC transfer speculation -

Poborsky.

Remember that word of warning, it could save us a lot of time money and effort!
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
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Duff, however, started his 'dive' as soon as the defender went down for the tackle. When Duff was in mid 'dive' he dragged his trailing foot, blatently, onto the defenders outstretched leg.
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i spot that too

his body was already half way in the air when that defender leg made contact with his leg

however the Irish's second penalty was well deserved
 
Originally posted by Tomo:
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however the Irish's second penalty was well deserved</strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case, maybe it's Niall Quinn we ought to sign <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Btw, is Duff really 23? He looks like he's 40.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>Btw, is Duff really 23? He looks like he's 40.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thought he was younger than 23. The way I look at it is that he is so good at 23. Imagine what he will be like at 26 ! He has some maturing to do as a player, and no better place to learn than at Old Trafford. As for the Porborsky point that someone made - you can't really compare, because Duff has been playing consistantly well for both Blackburn and Ireland over the past year. Porborsky was bought on the basis of 2 good performances and a wonder goal.

Personally I would suggest we concentrate on our defence initially, working toward the midfield and forward line after. If Ronaldo is going to United I would imagine there would be hidden funding from Nike to be honest. It is a much better move for them corporatly to have him at United. If they want him there they will make sure he goes - with or without the help of United !

Rio Ferdinand has been fantastic - truly amazing, and the English defence looks awesome. Fair play to them. I would welcome him to OT with open arms so long as he has someone proficiant to play along side, such as Nesta. If we bought both Nesta and Rio you all may forget about Duff unless a swap + cash deal is arranged.

The transfer system will be bright this summer at OT. ;)
 
Duffman, oh yeah!!! :D

Would love to see us buy him but I doubt the board will sanction his massive transfer fee when we already have one of the best left wingers in the world. He would be ideal cover for Giggs and maybe even Beckham, but as an Irishman I'd like to see him stay at Blackburn for another year or two to help his development.

There's the chance he could end up sitting on the bench at a big club like United (albeit slim after such a great WC) and that wouldn't help him realise his full potential. However, I'd prefer we buy him than scumpool because he's just the type of player they need.....
 
I think he'd play a fair bit Niall. Between covering for Giggs, Beckham, and being played as an AM or Striker.
 
maybe, but in world cup his best performances have been when he's been on the wing and most of the time that's where he plays for blackburn, so I don't think we have enough evidence to pay some mad fee for him and play him as striker....I'd love to see him come to United and play on the wing, but how can you leave out giggs or beckham ?? personally I think he could well be better than Giggs...but I don't want to have that argument on this site <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Duff is young, if we get him then it means that all our best youngsters will never get a 1st team place. Should we just shut down the academy then?</strong><hr></blockquote>Of course we shouldn't shut down the academy but there's no point in playing players just coz they came throught it. By all means, play them if they are good enough but, if they aren't, which the ones you mentioned aren't, don't; Duff, conversely, is.

Should Mark Wilson still be at OT?
 
moratti will never aloud ronaldo to live. he has been bulding his super attack for last 5 years.
and now when both of them vieri and ronaldo are finaly fit and able to play you think he will left ronny to join Man Utd? even nike can't change nothing here. plus Man Utd is already a worldwide trademark while Internazinale is also becoming one.
can't see this deal go thru
 
Duff has played every WC game up front alongside Keane. He was fine, scared the life out of every defence he came up against. He has also been good in the Premiership down the wing.

As for our left wing being our most catered for position - <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Haven't you noticed that Scholes is more likely to play there than anyone else?

Djordic will not make it, I have seen plenty of him and he is not good enough. He has decent feet but lacks pace and other attributes etc. A mid table Premiership side could use him.

Richardson is about 18, he is not yet ready but he should be a star in the future, could solve Englands left side problem one day.

Chadwick has gone down and I dont know if he will ever make that final step. Has his moments but will he ever be strong enough? His all-round game needs alot of improvement.

Which leaves Fortune and not much else.

DUFF AND OWEN DID NOT DIVE

There was contact for both. When you run that fast, a little nudge can send you sliding across the mud where you're just a little guy like Duff/Owen. Duff's standing leg was caught, its obvious. It probably looks like he was already diving because he was going so fast, he was lunging and leaning across the defender - I know because I've done that before, sometimes I've fallen over, sometimes I've been fouled, sometimes I get past.

Dont you guys know that when you walk, you're basically falling over and catching yourself?
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Duff has played every WC game up front alongside Keane. He was fine, scared the life out of every defence he came up against. He has also been good in the Premiership down the wing.

As for our left wing being our most catered for position - <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Haven't you noticed that Scholes is more likely to play there than anyone else?

Djordic will not make it, I have seen plenty of him and he is not good enough. He has decent feet but lacks pace and other attributes etc. A mid table Premiership side could use him.

Richardson is about 18, he is not yet ready but he should be a star in the future, could solve Englands left side problem one day.

Chadwick has gone down and I dont know if he will ever make that final step. Has his moments but will he ever be strong enough? His all-round game needs alot of improvement.

Which leaves Fortune and not much else.

DUFF AND OWEN DID NOT DIVE

There was contact for both. When you run that fast, a little nudge can send you sliding across the mud where you're just a little guy like Duff/Owen. Duff's standing leg was caught, its obvious. It probably looks like he was already diving because he was going so fast, he was lunging and leaning across the defender - I know because I've done that before, sometimes I've fallen over, sometimes I've been fouled, sometimes I get past.

Dont you guys know that when you walk, you're basically falling over and catching yourself?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Its being suggested then that we should get rid of all our youth team players because none of them will ever reach the grade. Don't y'all realise that belief in youth is one of our proudest traditions? You have to give the kids a chance to play for them to develop, to write off the likes of Fletcher and Richardson already is ridiculous. Giggs went into the first team at the age of 17. The rest of the fledglings weren't that much older. They need to be played, why buy in an expensive top player and reduce the chances of these kids from ever getting first team games to nil. It would send a clear signal to young kids that Old Trafford is a bad place to play for because you'll never be given a chance.

The point about Giggs being too old is stupid too, he's still in his prime, only 29, has many years ahead of him and is recognised as a World Class player. Yes he needs backup because he is injury prone, but Duff is being classed as World Class himself now, so he's hardly going to be an understudy is he? Its not like there aren't loads of teams needing a top quality first choice left winger. Get real guys.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Duff's standing leg was caught, its obvious. It probably looks like he was already diving because he was going so fast, he was lunging and leaning across the defender</strong><hr></blockquote>Bollocks man, he started to DIVE before the defender even hit the deck, he purposely trailed his foot so as to make contact with the defenders outstretched leg. One thing and one thing only was on his mind and that was to get a penalty.

He got one, more power to him.

They all do it nowadays, evidently, so do you.

FIFA will catch up with it someday, just like they have figured out the off-side rule. :rolleyes:

Duff to OT <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Bollocks man, he started to DIVE before the defender even hit the deck, he purposely trailed his foot so as to make contact with the defenders outstretched leg. One thing and one thing only was on his mind and that was to get a penalty.
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Thats just speculation. Duff has so many opportunities to get a foul but how many times did you see him wrestling with 2-3 players trying to stay on his feet? Do you think he'd risk such a suspicious penalty claim when he had the player beaten?

I dont think you've ever even tried this so how can you judge? I dont dive because we dont even play with fouls when I play with friends.

If your trailing foot doesnt come up to catch you, you fall.

It seems you think you know it all i.e. you know what Duff intended, you think you know I dive. What more can you read from your tea leaves?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Its being suggested then that we should get rid of all our youth team players because none of them will ever reach the grade. Don't y'all realise that belief in youth is one of our proudest traditions? You have to give the kids a chance to play for them to develop, to write off the likes of Fletcher and Richardson already is ridiculous. Giggs went into the first team at the age of 17. The rest of the fledglings weren't that much older. They need to be played, why buy in an expensive top player and reduce the chances of these kids from ever getting first team games to nil. It would send a clear signal to young kids that Old Trafford is a bad place to play for because you'll never be given a chance.
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Neil, no one has written off Richardson and Fletcher. I said Richardson is a future England star, possibly captain, but thats pushing it on my part.

Fletcher is also a promising player, but these guys are too young, they dont even play in our reserves, they play in the U17s/U19s. Give them a few sub appearances in the worthington cup etc but not in the first team squad. Timms is good also.

In case you didnt notice, Giggs was a genius and the other fledglings are world class players. They didnt just find this ability through regular first team football, they have the talent to start with. Most of our reserves dont have what it takes to step up - understandable. We're playing champions league football and have a great squad. For any youngster to step up - they're gonna have to be special, as good as what we have already or at least the potential to be. Its safe to say such special players are rare. We've had 6 all at once - its natural for there to be a recession period.

There is no point in reducing the quality of our squad just so we can keep faith in youngsters. If so, we should've never have sold Greening or Healy and should've left RVN and Veron to the other fishes. Suicide IMO.

No one is saying scrap the youth team, if anything it needs improving - and Fergie has said he will after a few years taking it easy. Only a few have a chance they are Brown and O'Shea, Stewart, Chadwick trail behind. Notice that only the best get through. Survival of the fittest. When a youngster is good enough, Fergie will put him in.
 
Duff on the left and Giggs and RVN down the middle, oh God I'm drooling already. They can also interchange positions, now how scary would that be to defend against?? :D
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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Neil, no one has written off Richardson and Fletcher. I said Richardson is a future England star, possibly captain, but thats pushing it on my part.

Fletcher is also a promising player, but these guys are too young, they dont even play in our reserves, they play in the U17s/U19s. Give them a few sub appearances in the worthington cup etc but not in the first team squad. Timms is good also.

In case you didnt notice, Giggs was a genius and the other fledglings are world class players. They didnt just find this ability through regular first team football, they have the talent to start with. Most of our reserves dont have what it takes to step up - understandable. We're playing champions league football and have a great squad. For any youngster to step up - they're gonna have to be special, as good as what we have already or at least the potential to be. Its safe to say such special players are rare. We've had 6 all at once - its natural for there to be a recession period.

There is no point in reducing the quality of our squad just so we can keep faith in youngsters. If so, we should've never have sold Greening or Healy and should've left RVN and Veron to the other fishes. Suicide IMO.

No one is saying scrap the youth team, if anything it needs improving - and Fergie has said he will after a few years taking it easy. Only a few have a chance they are Brown and O'Shea, Stewart, Chadwick trail behind. Notice that only the best get through. Survival of the fittest. When a youngster is good enough, Fergie will put him in.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know what you are saying, but my point is that buying someone young like Duff in will block that first team position for a very long time, thus preventing the likes of Fletcher, Richardson and Chadwick from exploiting it to become better players. I agree what you said about Giggs, he had incredible natural talent, but a lot of other players get to the top by practice and experience and still go on to be top players. Some are late developers (e.g. Sheringham). We can't just spend BIG money on every good great player there is, particularly when we already have that first team spot sorted both now, and for the future with our very promising youth prospects.
 
I see your point, but Fletcher plays in the middle.

Richardson is one for the future, and Duff can play on the left, right middle or up front. Theres no problem. Richardson will not break through this year, maybe not even next. Fortune may leave so its time Giggs had some back up. I hate us having to struggle with a central mid there all the time.

Any successful squad needs continuous improvement and where this improvement comes from doesnt matter. Adding our reserves now would not improve us, it would only build up numbers. Buying Duff would improve the squad.

I know that some are late developers and some will always get missed i.e. Platt. Basically its up to Fergie what to do. If it was me, I'd get someone who can cover all those positions. Simple as that.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>I see your point, but Fletcher plays in the middle.

Richardson is one for the future, and Duff can play on the left, right middle or up front. Theres no problem. Richardson will not break through this year, maybe not even next. Fortune may leave so its time Giggs had some back up. I hate us having to struggle with a central mid there all the time.

Any successful squad needs continuous improvement and where this improvement comes from doesnt matter. Adding our reserves now would not improve us, it would only build up numbers. Buying Duff would improve the squad.

I know that some are late developers and some will always get missed i.e. Platt. Basically its up to Fergie what to do. If it was me, I'd get someone who can cover all those positions. Simple as that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You say Richardson is one for the future, which I agree with, but that future won't be with us if we get Duff. I don't see Duff as a forward player, because he wouldn't be a 20+ goals a season man which I think is required in that position. He certainly won't oust becks from the right flank, so he would basically be an incredibly expensive reserve player, which is a waste of money. I presume also that when you say get Duff, you mean to pay for him by getting rid of Veron right? Otherwise how are you going to keep 7 world class midfielders happy when we only have 4 slots for them?
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Duff has played every WC game up front alongside Keane. He was fine, scared the life out of every defence he came up against. He has also been good in the Premiership down the wing.
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no, he started every game alogside Keane, and did his best work when he moved out to the wing after quinn came on during the games.... I rate him very highly, and I hope we sign him wherever he plays though, but I think he's better on the wing...and mick mccarthy disagrees, so I must be right

;)
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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There are only 3 big name Brazilians. Ronaldo, Rivaldo, and Bobby Carlos. Could be any of em, but I think its Ronny because of the common relationship that United and Ronaldo have with Nike.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ronaldo's also stated a number of times he'd be interested in a move to O.T. at some point in his career. If Nike step in, it could be soon than you'd think.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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Ronaldo's also stated a number of times he'd be interested in a move to O.T. at some point in his career. If Nike step in, it could be soon than you'd think.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1. Ronaldo would cost more than we could afford after shelling out big time on defenders.
2. He would break our wage structure - Keane and Beckham would have to have parity.
3. Why do people think that Nike are somehow different to other team sponsors and they'll just throw countless millions of extra cash to us above the agreed deal, and also try and interfere with the management of our team? Is this what they've done at all the other clubs they sponsor?
 
Richardson is 5-6 years younger than Duff. Duff is 6 years younger than Giggs. There will be rotations, injuries etc.

By your meaning, why dont we sell Butt rather than keep him for his expensive wages? Because squads need strength and back up.

By buying Duff I mean paying £15m. Giggs NEEDS competition, he is not performing as the guaranteed number one. I remember Blomqvist being here and him and Giggs did just fine together. Thats sharing one position, we won the Treble.

As for scoring, he can score better than Giggs, he played up front in the WC and played great. If he were to grow into the role, as a striker and not a link up man, he has the potential to do for us what Owen does for Liverpool. Dont need 20+ goals a year, Cole didnt get 20+ a year, Ole doesnt always get there. One striker scoring 20+ is enough. Duff will be our utility striker. He will be a squad player like Butt and will take over from Giggs eventually.

Besides, who says he wont be a prolific goal scorer? Henry made a great striker once converted. Duff has the pace, a good left foot, a decent right foot, good shooting etc. He could do it.

Otherwise we'd be left struggling whenever Giggs is injured, Becks is out injured or rested and we'd have to spend loads to get a decent 4th striker in whose either pacy or a link up man. Duff can play all these roles.
 
Originally posted by RedBelly:
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no, he started every game alogside Keane, and did his best work when he moved out to the wing after quinn came on during the games.... I rate him very highly, and I hope we sign him wherever he plays though, but I think he's better on the wing...and mick mccarthy disagrees, so I must be right

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, he is best on the left, but thats because he has never really played as a striker before. He didnt do bad did he? Just remember Henry's transformance given time.

I dont think it was a case of Duff suddenly getting better when he moved out wide, it was Ireland getting better when Quinn moved in and troubled defences. As a partnership, Keane and Duff shouldnt really work, but they did ok against the odds (and logic). Duff would be better with RVN.

As for Ronaldo - he doesnt earn as much as Beckham.

As for Nike, they are different IMO. They interfered with the 98 WC Final, Ronaldo and Nike are very tightly associated, and if that isnt the case, Nike will make it the case. They forced him to play the final and then made him dangle his boots around his shoulders for the cameras - so they'd get maximum exposure right next to his toothy grin.

I think any move for Ronaldo would depend on Nike. They must be fed up of him being at Inter. He might be fed up too...

Ronaldo is a huge part of Nike's strategy, HUGE, but if anything rivals that, its Man Utd, their deal with us totally eclipses their deal with Brazil. I have to admit, we're bordering on conspiracy theories, but theres definitely a chance of Nike doing this IMO. They're capable, but doesnt mean they will.
 
I think ppl should stop using what happened with Nike and Ronaldo 4 years ago as an argument that Ronaldo will be coming to Man United. Very very weak speculative argument, and I don't buy it. I doubt Ronaldo will come, in fact, I'm almost sure Ronaldo will not come. Just be happy with Duff and Rio if we could get.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Richardson is 5-6 years younger than Duff. Duff is 6 years younger than Giggs. There will be rotations, injuries etc.

By your meaning, why dont we sell Butt rather than keep him for his expensive wages? Because squads need strength and back up.

By buying Duff I mean paying £15m. Giggs NEEDS competition, he is not performing as the guaranteed number one. I remember Blomqvist being here and him and Giggs did just fine together. Thats sharing one position, we won the Treble.

As for scoring, he can score better than Giggs, he played up front in the WC and played great. If he were to grow into the role, as a striker and not a link up man, he has the potential to do for us what Owen does for Liverpool. Dont need 20+ goals a year, Cole didnt get 20+ a year, Ole doesnt always get there. One striker scoring 20+ is enough. Duff will be our utility striker. He will be a squad player like Butt and will take over from Giggs eventually.

Besides, who says he wont be a prolific goal scorer? Henry made a great striker once converted. Duff has the pace, a good left foot, a decent right foot, good shooting etc. He could do it.

Otherwise we'd be left struggling whenever Giggs is injured, Becks is out injured or rested and we'd have to spend loads to get a decent 4th striker in whose either pacy or a link up man. Duff can play all these roles.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps this is the source of our disagreement. You think Duff would be worth £15m? I think double that. Shocked? Dyer is worth over £20m and he's half the player, whereas Duff is one of the players of the tournament, and only 23.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>I think ppl should stop using what happened with Nike and Ronaldo 4 years ago as an argument that Ronaldo will be coming to Man United. Very very weak speculative argument, and I don't buy it. I doubt Ronaldo will come, in fact, I'm almost sure Ronaldo will not come. Just be happy with Duff and Rio if we could get.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its not my argument, I WAS speculating cos someone asked. I dont think he'll come, but no smoke without fire.

I wont pay £30m for Duff and I dont think Blackburn will want that. pre-WC he was gonna join pool for £10m but duff said wait til after the WC. £15m is my limit. Any higher and we wont pay. We wont be paying more than RVN or close to world stars like Nesta etc. It'll be below 20 million.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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I agree, he is best on the left, but thats because he has never really played as a striker before. He didnt do bad did he? Just remember Henry's transformance given time.

I dont think it was a case of Duff suddenly getting better when he moved out wide, it was Ireland getting better when Quinn moved in and troubled defences. As a partnership, Keane and Duff shouldnt really work, but they did ok against the odds (and logic). Duff would be better with RVN.

As for Ronaldo - he doesnt earn as much as Beckham.

As for Nike, they are different IMO. They interfered with the 98 WC Final, Ronaldo and Nike are very tightly associated, and if that isnt the case, Nike will make it the case. They forced him to play the final and then made him dangle his boots around his shoulders for the cameras - so they'd get maximum exposure right next to his toothy grin.

I think any move for Ronaldo would depend on Nike. They must be fed up of him being at Inter. He might be fed up too...

Ronaldo is a huge part of Nike's strategy, HUGE, but if anything rivals that, its Man Utd, their deal with us totally eclipses their deal with Brazil. I have to admit, we're bordering on conspiracy theories, but theres definitely a chance of Nike doing this IMO. They're capable, but doesnt mean they will.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ronaldo more than Beckham in wages, but less in sponsorship deals. See this <a href="http://www.soccernet.com/england/news/2002/0501/20020501mufcbeckham.html" target="_blank">link</a>.

Anyway, here is what Edwards had to say about signing Ronaldo.

UWS: United fans have been disappointed with the seeming inability to attract players such as Batistuta and Salas to Old Trafford and they believe that it is because of the clubs' refusals to make their wage demands. Is this the case and how will the takeover affect future transfer dealings at the club?

Edwards: Salas would not have been a problem. We knew what the terms were and if the manager wanted Salas he could have had him - we've said that publicly. Alec went to see Salas in South America, and came back impressed but it was just at the time when Cole had started firing on all cylinders. Alec felt that Salas was a risk and questioned whether he would settle in this country with the different climate and language. Alec felt he was a box player and that we already had a perfectly good box player in Cole.
In terms of Batistuta you're quite right. His terms were at least three times more than the highest paid player and quite frankly we weren't prepared to bust the wage scale for one player. We've made no secret of our wage scale and we adopt the policy whereby we budget sensibly in terms of the players we bring in and in terms of wages and we're not prepared to broker the club for one player and that's quite right. We haven't had many refusals with that policy. Batistuta was one and Ronaldo may have been another one.

UWS: Say we broke the bank for Ronaldo. We'd have the world's best player in the side, the share price would rise and surely there would be associated spinoffs in merchandise. Wouldn't the transfer pay for itself?

Edwards: Perhaps you're right but the transfer fee element is only one part of the deal and the wages have become a major element. If we bring in Ronaldo and pay him three times more than everybody else, when it comes to the other players renegotiating their contracts: the likes of Giggs, Beckham, Schmeichel and Keane, then they're going to want a huge rise too. They're not going to be too happy playing alongside someone who's earning three times as much as them. With our twenty first team players, we could end up doubling our total wage bill just for one player and we're not prepared to do that. In the last three years the salaries of all our players have gone up by 30% a year - it's incredible. We'd end up losing money and we are a public company who is answerable to our shareholders and expected to make money each year.
Look at Real Madrid - who won the European Cup last season. Real Madrid are millions and millions of pounds in debt - I hear all sorts from £25 - 50 million. They don't know how they are going to get out of that debt, whether they are going to mortgage the ground or whatever.
We'd hate to be in that situation at United because we've always run the club as a serious business and we've been successful along the way too winning championships and developing the stadium. You could say that if we'd gone a little bit further, then we might have won the European Cup, but last year we got to the quarter final and the year before we got to the semi. We're not far off and it's not worth putting the club in jeopardy because the day of reckoning always comes.
If anybody accuses me of pulling back on players then I would have to accept that but whilst I'm the chief executive, I will always do what is best in the long term for Manchester United and the long term interests may not coincide with the supporters short term interests. They might say, "win the European Cup this year at all costs," but I have to take a longer, more pragmatic business view on that one because I'm responsible for the club. I can't please everybody all the time.
 
Whats that link supposed to prove? Nothing about Ronaldo's wages/sponsorships.

Ronaldo does not earn more than £95,000 a week, which is what Beckham gets. Recoba earns more than anyone in the world and he gets £120,000 so Ronaldo is lower than that for sure.

I thought Ronaldo earned something like £80,000 a week.

That interview is way old, it was way before we broke the wage structure for Keano. Beckham used to earn £25,000 so its no surprise he'd be jealous of Ronaldos £80,000. It was also Edwards who made us miss out on so many good players.

With Kenyon things have changed, we broke the wage structure, we finally start getting world class players, we manage to convince Fergie to stay. Kenyon rules, Edwards drools.

Good thing is it shows that Ronaldo was once negotiating to come here!! WOOHOO!! Even if it broke down, it shows he is willing and that Fergie likes him.
 
Duff would be a great buy for us. No doubt.

About Ronaldo: if there's a possibility (i.e. Inter ready to sell etc.) of him coming I can see no reason what so ever not to get him. He's the most talented striker in the world IMO and after having some bad four years he's now back to his good old self. He's only 25 years old I believe thus we'll be able to count his goals for 5-10 years.

Now Ronaldo and RVN? That would be sweet... Sorry Ole but you'll still get your chances. Injuries, playing on the wing, bad form etc... Maybe even playing three strikers?

About the youth policy: When Giggs, Becks et al came trough we had no world class players in their position. They were better than those at the club and therefore they got the chance. A player doesn't get world class over night. We can't play the likes of Fletcher in our team for 2-5 years and then realise he if he's good enough or not. We must still bring the best available talents to the club but the way to the first team might be trough loan deals like the Italians do. But we can't afford to play players who might get great one day, if they aren't good enough ATM. It might cost us a Premiership and that's not a price I would like to pay.
 
BTW: I seem to remember after the Keane fiasco many on here were making it out that United would never sign an Irishman for the forseeable future <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
Considering the current state of this transfer forum, I don't think we can take the piss out of KopTalk any longer...

Apparently because of the Nike deal we can afford Ronaldo AND Nesta AND Ferdinand AND Duff ...

Just take a look at the sums on this <a href="http://www.manutd.com/news/features.sps?iType=784&icustompageid=2722" target="_blank">page</a> and see if you can make them balance.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Considering the current state of this transfer forum, I don't think we can take the piss out of KopTalk any longer...

Apparently because of the Nike deal we can afford Ronaldo AND Nesta AND Ferdinand AND Duff ...

Just take a look at the sums on this <a href="http://www.manutd.com/news/features.sps?iType=784&icustompageid=2722" target="_blank">page</a> and see if you can make them balance.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah I've noticed that too... even the "respected" people are starting to get "weird".
 
I don' t think anyone believes we'll get all four of the players mentioned, but a combo of Ron and Nesta or Duff and Rio is certainly feasible imo.