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They would both come further down my list of priorities for state provision - as I said I'm sure others disagree.

:lol:

So you advocate the creation of a second-class citizenry?

That's really fecking ridiculous. It's discriminatory. There's some research that says British nationals born outside the UK and granted citizenship later contribute more economically to the UK. You then want to deny them full rights that a citizen should get, even though they are already citizens, on the basis of place of birth rather than need. Idiotic.
 
:lol:

So you advocate the creation of a second-class citizenry?

That's really fecking ridiculous. It's discriminatory. There's some research that says British nationals born outside the UK and granted citizenship later contribute more economically to the UK. You then want to deny them full rights that a citizen should get, even though they are already citizens, on the basis of place of birth rather than need. Idiotic.

ffs I actually agree with something you've said ........oh I feel faint I must go and lie down ...bloody hell must avoid shocks like this :nervous: at my age must look after meself
 
assumptions may be wrong but not too far wrong I wager - the basic fact is you're no more able to discount the opininions of British people through studies of economic behaviour by region :D than I can speak for them - something i never claimed :angel:

How much would you wager? There are some charities which I've been trying raise money for.

Besides, I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about the economic situations British people face. Something which you've so far failed to grasp.

It's ironic I'm being lectured on Britain by some random bloke who happens to live in Spain, and spent the majority of his working life in the Middle East, IIRC.
 
:lol:

So you advocate the creation of a second-class citizenry?

That's really fecking ridiculous. It's discriminatory. There's some research that says British nationals born outside the UK and granted citizenship later contribute more economically to the UK. You then want to deny them full rights that a citizen should get, even though they are already citizens, on the basis of place of birth rather than need. Idiotic.
You asked, I answered, you disagree. Fine. I was born here, you weren't. That is a basis for disagreement.
 
You asked, I answered, you disagree. Fine. I was born here, you weren't. That is a basis for disagreement.

:lol: Probably the understatement of the year. I believe in democracy, you clearly don't.

Although I've still got no evidence that you're a bigot, I find your nativism pretty repellent.

Disclaimer - I don't qualify as a foreign-born British citizen. I do however aspire to be one at some stage.
 
How much would you wager? There are some charities which I've been trying raise money for.

Besides, I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about the economic situations British people face. Something which you've so far failed to grasp.

It's ironic I'm being lectured on Britain by some random bloke who happens to live in Spain, and spent the majority of his working life in the Middle East, IIRC.

:lol::lol::lol: Now thats irony!
 
:lol: Probably the understatement of the year. I believe in democracy, you clearly don't.

Although I've still got no evidence that you're a bigot, I find your nativism pretty repellent.

Disclaimer - I don't qualify as a foreign-born British citizen. I do however aspire to be one at some stage.

That would make you a third-class citizen by my previous reckoning.

And before you go off on a rant, that was a joke.
 
:lol::lol::lol: Now thats irony!
;) thought you might pick up on that.

What you and topper don't seem to have picked up though, is that I've got strong connections to Britain, and I love and believe in this country, probably more strongly than either of you. The irony is that topper beats me up (indirectly) about being an immigrant, when he himself left Britain ages ago (IIRC).
 
That would make you a third-class citizen by my previous reckoning.

And before you go off on a rant, that was a joke.

More like a non-citizen. Having direct experience of being a second-class citizen and being so inured to discrimination that I didn't even realise it was happening, I've got no desire to repeaet that experience here.
 
:lol: Probably the understatement of the year. I believe in democracy, you clearly don't.

Although I've still got no evidence that you're a bigot, I find your nativism pretty repellent.

Disclaimer - I don't qualify as a foreign-born British citizen. I do however aspire to be one at some stage.
Serious question - what is the big deal with becoming a British citizen? You're obviously doing well in the UK without being one. I don't know what nationality you are, but why do you want to change?
 
More like a non-citizen. Having direct experience of being a second-class citizen and being so inured to discrimination that I didn't even realise it was happening, I've got no desire to repeaet that experience here.

OK, I can understand that, and perhaps my comment was insensitive to you personally. There are a lot of people in the UK that feel that they are now becoming positively discriminated against in favour of minority groups, some of which are not so minor anymore? Why should the UK open it's arms to all and sundry and expect all it's existing citizens (whoever and whatever they may be) to be over the moon about it?
 
Serious question - what is the big deal with becoming a British citizen? You're obviously doing well in the UK without being one. I don't know what nationality you are, but why do you want to change?

Britain has given me a chance (as has the Labour government I suppose) to do something I enjoy. I can buy property, vote, work, and be safe. All this without being a citizen.

The country I was born in uses me as a tax cow to support the natives (i.e. people of a certain ethnic background), considers me a sufficiently large threat for politicians to wave swords around and threaten to kill me, and treated me like dirt when I needed help abroad.

Call it gratitude.
 
OK, I can understand that, and perhaps my comment was insensitive to you personally. There are a lot of people in the UK that feel that they are now becoming positively discriminated against in favour of minority groups, some of which are not so minor anymore? Why should the UK open it's arms to all and sundry and expect all it's existing citizens (whoever and whatever they may be) to be over the moon about it?

I can understand that, but I think the solution is to manage the impact better rather than to make the restrictions on immigration we're seeing now.
 
Britain has given me a chance (as has the Labour government I suppose) to do something I enjoy. I can buy property, vote, work, and be safe. All this without being a citizen.

The country I was born in uses me as a tax cow to support the natives (i.e. people of a certain ethnic background), considers me a sufficiently large threat for politicians to wave swords around and threaten to kill me, and treated me like dirt when I needed help abroad.

Call it gratitude.

But why does that necessarily mean that you should have a right to be a British citizen?

I realise we are looking at this from completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
But why does that necessarily mean that you should have a right to be a British citizen?

I realise we are looking at this from completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

My previous experiences don't mean that I have a right to be a British citizen.

However, as a British citizen I then have an unbreakable connection to and a huge stake in the country that allowed me the chance to live a great life. So I'm working towards that, because I can then be patriotic to a country that I love.

What will give me a right to be a British citizen is the fact that I will have fulfilled all the requirements as set out by law, sworn allegiance to Queen and country, and renounced my old citizenship.
 
Britain has given me a chance (as has the Labour government I suppose) to do something I enjoy. I can buy property, vote, work, and be safe. All this without being a citizen.

The country I was born in uses me as a tax cow to support the natives (i.e. people of a certain ethnic background), considers me a sufficiently large threat for politicians to wave swords around and threaten to kill me, and treated me like dirt when I needed help abroad.

Call it gratitude.

Just as a matter of interest Spin, will you apply for British citizenship at all?
 
;) thought you might pick up on that.

What you and topper don't seem to have picked up though, is that I've got strong connections to Britain, and I love and believe in this country, probably more strongly than either of you. The irony is that topper beats me up (indirectly) about being an immigrant, when he himself left Britain ages ago (IIRC).

I love and believe in the Royal Family, probably more strongly than you, but that doesn't mean that I get rights to live in Buckingham Palace or a share of their wealth.
 
My previous experiences don't mean that I have a right to be a British citizen.

However, as a British citizen I then have an unbreakable connection to and a huge stake in the country that allowed me the chance to live a great life. So I'm working towards that, because I can then be patriotic to a country that I love.

What will give me a right to be a British citizen is the fact that I will have fulfilled all the requirements as set out by law, sworn allegiance to Queen and country, and renounced my old citizenship.

I'm sure you are genuine, Spinoza, but Britain could be inundated with people who think like you. Why should the existing population let that happen?
 
Just as a matter of interest Spin, will you apply for British citizenship at all?

Yes, when I fulfil the requirements, and if I'm not prevented from doing so.

I love and believe in the Royal Family, probably more strongly than you, but that doesn't mean that I get rights to live in Buckingham Palace or a share of their wealth.

Shit analogy. There are criteria for citizenship codified in law, and once I meet them I'll be a citizen, with equal rights to any other citizen, otherwise Britain wouldn't be a democracy.

If you want to live in Buckingham Palace you either contrive to be born a Prince or Princess, or marry a Prince or Princess.

My love for Britain is why I want to be a citizen, but not why I have a right to be a citizen.
 
Yes, when I fulfil the requirements, and if I'm not prevented from doing so.



Shit analogy. There are criteria for citizenship codified in law, and once I meet them I'll be a citizen, with equal rights to any other citizen, otherwise Britain wouldn't be a democracy.

If you want to live in Buckingham Palace you either contrive to be born a Prince or Princess, or marry a Prince or Princess.

My love for Britain is why I want to be a citizen, but not why I have a right to be a citizen.

:lol: There are criteria for marrying a Prince or Princess, and you and I certainly wouldn't meet those.
 
I'm sure you are genuine, Spinoza, but Britain could be inundated with people who think like you. Why should the existing population let that happen?

:lol: You won't be inundated, believe me. In fact, you currently aren't inundated with people wanting to be citizens, because it's not easy if you don't have family connections.

There are a lot more people wanting to come here to work, because the skills of the native born are so poor and / or expensive, but the majority of them don't want to be citizens. There's a cost to becoming a citizen.
 
You can have Harry or William as far as I'm concerned.

Unfortunately, they don't meet my criteria... Zara Phillips might have, before I found someone who did indeed meet my criteria.

Anyway, I'm not advocating that the bar for citizenship be lowered either. I wouldn't be too against it being raised (except from a personal point of view of course). However, if you want to remove all possible routes to being a citizen except being born in the UK of British descent, then you end up with a racist system that encourages discrimination.
 
Unfortunately, they don't meet my criteria... Zara Phillips might have, before I found someone who did indeed meet my criteria.

Anyway, I'm not advocating that the bar for citizenship be lowered either. I wouldn't be too against it being raised (except from a personal point of view of course). However, if you want to remove all possible routes to being a citizen except being born in the UK of British descent, then you end up with a racist system that encourages discrimination.

I'm not saying that but I would like it tougher to get in, especially in the face of all the immigration via the European Community.

The Aristocracy welcome an element of very selective immigration now and again to mix up the gene pool. The tendency for the Windsor females to have big tits is one benefit from past interminglings with German nobility.
 
Just to get back on topic and demonstrate that the Daily Mail and its readership truly care about human rights.......:angel:

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Tony Blair has turned Britain into a land where we are all prisoners
by CHRIS ATKINS
Last updated at 10:20 13 June 2007


Even George Orwell would be shocked. He described the sinister machinations of a totalitarian police state in his novel, 1984, and laid bare the danger of eroding our basic civil liberties, including the right to freedom of speech and the right to privacy.

Although he famously coined the phrase 'Big Brother is watching you', even Orwell cannot have foreseen just how prescient those words would prove to be.

Today, in Tony Blair's Britain - which I naively voted into power ten years ago - we have witnessed a breath-taking erosion of civil liberties.

The truth is we are fast becoming an Orwellian state, our every movement watched, our behaviour monitored, and our freedoms curtailed.

Between May 1997 and August 2006, New Labour created 3,023 new criminal offences - taking in everything from a law against Polish potatoes (the Polish Potatoes Order 2004) to one which made the creation of a nuclear explosion in Britain officially illegal.

Then there has been the incredible number of CCTV cameras - a total of 4.2 million, more than in the rest of Europe put together.

And, yesterday, we learnt that the Government has agreed to let the EU have automatic access to databases of DNA (containing samples of people's hair, sperm or fingernails) in order to help track down criminals, even though many thousands of those on record are totally innocent

How did all this happen? Who allowed it? To try to answer these questions, I have made a film, Talking Liberties, about the attack on our freedoms.

I uncovered a disturbing roll call of ancient basic rights which have been systematically destroyed in the self- serving climate of fear this government has perpetuated since the 9/11 attack.

First there was the Act which banned the age- old right of protest within half-a-mile of Parliament without special police authorisation.

And who can forget Walter Wolfgang, the pensioner who was dragged out of the Labour Party Conference for daring to heckle the Home Secretary? He was detained under the Terrorism Act 2000, which gives the police unprecedented stop and search powers.

In 2005 alone, this law was used to stop 35,000 people - none of whom was a terrorist.


But this is only the thin end of the wedge - our civil liberties, enshrined in British law since the Magna Carta, are being whittled away.

There has been an unprecedented shift of power away from the individual towards the state - but now this power is being used not to defeat terrorism, but to keep tabs on ordinary citizens. As well as a raft of repressive anti-terror legislation, there are the more insidious infringements of our freedom and privacy.

We will soon see the introduction of the vast National Identity Register, linking all databases such as the DNA database to which the EU will soon have access.

The tentacles of these networks will intertwine until they form a vast state surveillance mechanism, which can track every detail of your life: what books you borrowed from the library as a student, your sexual health, your DNA profile, your spending and your whereabouts at any given moment in time.

Ministers are even creating a children's database, which will record truancy, diet, and medical history.


And, of course, ID cards will be issued in 2009 - to be used every time we carry out routine tasks such as visiting the dentist. Soon, biometric data - your iris scan, fingerprints and DNA, will help to identify you further.

And, all the time, there are those CCTV cameras - 20 per cent of the global total, even though Britain only has 0.2 per cent of the world's population.

N
ew Labour has an absolute obsession with these devices. Soon, more sophisticated cameras will be able to recognise your face and the information matched to one of the national databases.

All cars will eventually be fitted with a GPS chip, officially to simplify road tax payments but they will also allow government agencies to track every vehicle in the country.

There are, of course, more alarming implications to being constantly monitored - as Orwell understood. Soon, we will be living in an open-air prison.

Some may ask: why does all this matter? The answer is that to surrender our identity and privacy so comprehensively is to give up something we will never get back.

Although New Labour says its mania for data-gathering is all part of its plan to protect us, there's no guarantee that future governments (who will be inheriting a nationwide surveillance machine and the National Identity Register) won't use it to more malign ends.

Totalitarian regimes have, after all, always collected information on their citizens. Hitler pioneered the use of ID cards as a means of repression. The Belgians left Rwanda with a bloody legacy by implementing an ID card system which divided the population into Hutu and Tutsi.

When the 1994 genocide began, these cards proved a device for horrific ethnic cleansing, with one million people dying in 100 days. The Stasi secret police in Soviet East Germany kept millions of files in order to keep track of everyone in the country.

Of course these examples are the extremes - but basic liberties such as privacy and free speech have been hard-won over centuries and history shows that we should not allow them to be brushed aside.

This shift away from individual freedom towards state power has happened slowly, and almost without us noticing.

Like so many others, I was proud to put a cross against the box next to New Labour in 1997 as a first-time voter. But now I have become shocked at the vast swathe of new laws which had been introduced, most of them in response to terrorism.

We are told that this is all for the good - these laws, and the surveillance cameras and ID cards will stop terrorists. Is that the case? Sadly not.

The London bombers carried ID and were observed on CCTV - of course it did not stop them committing their terrible crime.

Intelligence experts say that most information leading to genuine breakthroughs come from informants, not through random tracking or surveillance of the general population.


In any case, liberty and security aren't balanced on some delicate equilibrium, as John Reid, the Home Secretary, and Tony Blair would have us believe. History has shown us that it is precisely when you undermine people's basic rights that they mobilise towards radical groups.

After all, one of the greatest recruiters for the IRA in Northern Ireland was the policy of internment, under which people were imprisoned without trial. Have we learnt nothing from our past?

Stop and search laws applied to Britain's Muslim communities will simply polarise those groups. Instead, we need them to help us protect the country from terrorism.

It's not all doom and gloom, of course - as I hope my film reflects. The sheer absurdity of the bewildering array of idiotic new laws has given us an abundance of bizarre and hilarious situations for our documentary.

But behind this dark comedy is something much more disturbing. Faced with the threat of terrorism, the Government has told us that we must lay down our freedoms for our lives.

Perhaps it has forgotten the millions of people from past generations who have laid down their lives for our freedom. I think we owe it to those people to turn this tide.

.....................................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461611/Tony-Blair-turned-Britain-land-prisoners.html
 
Britain has given me a chance (as has the Labour government I suppose) to do something I enjoy. I can buy property, vote, work, and be safe. All this without being a citizen.

I thought you had to be citizen to vote, correct me if I am wrong.
 
Just to get back on topic and demonstrate that the Daily Mail and its readership truly care about human rights.......:angel:

...................................

Tony Blair has turned Britain into a land where we are all prisoners
by CHRIS ATKINS
Last updated at 10:20 13 June 2007


Even George Orwell would be shocked. He described the sinister machinations of a totalitarian police state in his novel, 1984, and laid bare the danger of eroding our basic civil liberties, including the right to freedom of speech and the right to privacy.

Although he famously coined the phrase 'Big Brother is watching you', even Orwell cannot have foreseen just how prescient those words would prove to be.

Today, in Tony Blair's Britain - which I naively voted into power ten years ago - we have witnessed a breath-taking erosion of civil liberties.

The truth is we are fast becoming an Orwellian state, our every movement watched, our behaviour monitored, and our freedoms curtailed.

Between May 1997 and August 2006, New Labour created 3,023 new criminal offences - taking in everything from a law against Polish potatoes (the Polish Potatoes Order 2004) to one which made the creation of a nuclear explosion in Britain officially illegal.

Then there has been the incredible number of CCTV cameras - a total of 4.2 million, more than in the rest of Europe put together.

And, yesterday, we learnt that the Government has agreed to let the EU have automatic access to databases of DNA (containing samples of people's hair, sperm or fingernails) in order to help track down criminals, even though many thousands of those on record are totally innocent

How did all this happen? Who allowed it? To try to answer these questions, I have made a film, Talking Liberties, about the attack on our freedoms.

I uncovered a disturbing roll call of ancient basic rights which have been systematically destroyed in the self- serving climate of fear this government has perpetuated since the 9/11 attack.

First there was the Act which banned the age- old right of protest within half-a-mile of Parliament without special police authorisation.

And who can forget Walter Wolfgang, the pensioner who was dragged out of the Labour Party Conference for daring to heckle the Home Secretary? He was detained under the Terrorism Act 2000, which gives the police unprecedented stop and search powers.

In 2005 alone, this law was used to stop 35,000 people - none of whom was a terrorist.


But this is only the thin end of the wedge - our civil liberties, enshrined in British law since the Magna Carta, are being whittled away.

There has been an unprecedented shift of power away from the individual towards the state - but now this power is being used not to defeat terrorism, but to keep tabs on ordinary citizens. As well as a raft of repressive anti-terror legislation, there are the more insidious infringements of our freedom and privacy.

We will soon see the introduction of the vast National Identity Register, linking all databases such as the DNA database to which the EU will soon have access.

The tentacles of these networks will intertwine until they form a vast state surveillance mechanism, which can track every detail of your life: what books you borrowed from the library as a student, your sexual health, your DNA profile, your spending and your whereabouts at any given moment in time.

Ministers are even creating a children's database, which will record truancy, diet, and medical history.


And, of course, ID cards will be issued in 2009 - to be used every time we carry out routine tasks such as visiting the dentist. Soon, biometric data - your iris scan, fingerprints and DNA, will help to identify you further.

And, all the time, there are those CCTV cameras - 20 per cent of the global total, even though Britain only has 0.2 per cent of the world's population.

N
ew Labour has an absolute obsession with these devices. Soon, more sophisticated cameras will be able to recognise your face and the information matched to one of the national databases.

All cars will eventually be fitted with a GPS chip, officially to simplify road tax payments but they will also allow government agencies to track every vehicle in the country.

There are, of course, more alarming implications to being constantly monitored - as Orwell understood. Soon, we will be living in an open-air prison.

Some may ask: why does all this matter? The answer is that to surrender our identity and privacy so comprehensively is to give up something we will never get back.

Although New Labour says its mania for data-gathering is all part of its plan to protect us, there's no guarantee that future governments (who will be inheriting a nationwide surveillance machine and the National Identity Register) won't use it to more malign ends.

Totalitarian regimes have, after all, always collected information on their citizens. Hitler pioneered the use of ID cards as a means of repression. The Belgians left Rwanda with a bloody legacy by implementing an ID card system which divided the population into Hutu and Tutsi.

When the 1994 genocide began, these cards proved a device for horrific ethnic cleansing, with one million people dying in 100 days. The Stasi secret police in Soviet East Germany kept millions of files in order to keep track of everyone in the country.

Of course these examples are the extremes - but basic liberties such as privacy and free speech have been hard-won over centuries and history shows that we should not allow them to be brushed aside.

This shift away from individual freedom towards state power has happened slowly, and almost without us noticing.

Like so many others, I was proud to put a cross against the box next to New Labour in 1997 as a first-time voter. But now I have become shocked at the vast swathe of new laws which had been introduced, most of them in response to terrorism.

We are told that this is all for the good - these laws, and the surveillance cameras and ID cards will stop terrorists. Is that the case? Sadly not.

The London bombers carried ID and were observed on CCTV - of course it did not stop them committing their terrible crime.

Intelligence experts say that most information leading to genuine breakthroughs come from informants, not through random tracking or surveillance of the general population.


In any case, liberty and security aren't balanced on some delicate equilibrium, as John Reid, the Home Secretary, and Tony Blair would have us believe. History has shown us that it is precisely when you undermine people's basic rights that they mobilise towards radical groups.

After all, one of the greatest recruiters for the IRA in Northern Ireland was the policy of internment, under which people were imprisoned without trial. Have we learnt nothing from our past?

Stop and search laws applied to Britain's Muslim communities will simply polarise those groups. Instead, we need them to help us protect the country from terrorism.

It's not all doom and gloom, of course - as I hope my film reflects. The sheer absurdity of the bewildering array of idiotic new laws has given us an abundance of bizarre and hilarious situations for our documentary.

But behind this dark comedy is something much more disturbing. Faced with the threat of terrorism, the Government has told us that we must lay down our freedoms for our lives.

Perhaps it has forgotten the millions of people from past generations who have laid down their lives for our freedom. I think we owe it to those people to turn this tide.

.....................................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461611/Tony-Blair-turned-Britain-land-prisoners.html

its the Daily Mail ffs - all those figures above are made up or massaged - we don't have any cctv cameras on our streets and that bit about the OAP didn't mention that he was ejected and charged because he was carrying a rocket launcher and bazooka in his handbag and had a nuclear weapon hidden in his underpants - besides he was a she or maybe a shim and carried identification listing her/him/shim as George Bush Jnr
 
But only The Mail could draw a parallel between the Rwandan genocide and CCTv cameras in England.
 
Orwellian state? Isn't that like calling any group you don't like nazis?

Not really, its about the big brother is watching you mentality - an obsession with surveillance techniques, monitoring, tracking people, accumulating personal data, and ultimately control of the population. It is what New Labour are striving for under the cover of 'protecting against the terrorist threat'. It may or may not degenerate into a Nazi state in terms of repression and brutality, but the foundations are being put in place. It will be less likely if this lot are thrown out along with measures like biometric data collection on every citizen and extended detention without charge periods.

One of the main criticisms of Thatcher when she was ousted in 1990, was the Left's assertions that she was a control freak hell bent on creating an Orwellian society. Strewth, talk about pots and kettles.
 
And from today's Daily Mail. Another in a long line of potential feck-ups with your personal data...........

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Anti-terror police chief has laptop stolen

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 10:30 PM on 13th June 2008


A LAPTOP belonging to a senior police officer who has access to counter-terrorist intelligence has been stolen.

The computer, which was owned by Rob Beckley, deputy chief constable of Avon and Somerset, was taken from his car outside Marylebone railway station in Central London on Wednesday.

It is believed his police driver was distracted by one thief while another made off with the laptop.

Mr Beckley was not in the vehicle at the time.
Marylebone - deputy chief constable of Avon Rob Beckley had laptop stolen outside

Crime scene: Deputy Chief Constable Rob Beckley's lap top was stolen from a police vehicle outside Marylebone station in Central London on Wednesday

Police sources say Mr Beckley, a former member of the terrorism committee of the Association of Chief Police Officers, had insisted on using his own computer when he joined the force last year.

As a result, none of the information accessible from the machine - which includes anti-terror details, private information about individual officers, and details of criminal investigations, suspects and undercover operations - is encrypted.

Details of the theft emerged yesterday as police launched an investigation into how a senior civil servant left a key counter terrorist document on a commuter train from London to Surrey earlier this week.

The file, which should never have left the official's Whitehall office, was discovered by a commuter and handed to the BBC.

Officers are now considering whether the mandarin should face prosecution for breaching the Official Secrets Act.

Yesterday, Mr Beckley said IT experts were working to ensure no one outside the force would be able to use the computer and log on to police servers.

'Broadly speaking, there was no sensitive information on that laptop but, of course, it poses a security risk,' he added.

A police spokesman said the laptop was not targeted, but taken by an opportunist thief.

'We are confident that there has been no breach of the force's network as a result of this theft,' he added.

But he refused to discuss why Mr Beckley had insisted on having his own laptop and why information had not been encrypted

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026365/Anti-terror-police-chief-laptop-stolen.html
 
But only The Mail could draw a parallel between the Rwandan genocide and CCTv cameras in England.

Sorry Wibble - thats too glib - it doesn't mask the overall picture of a Britain that is fast becoming a land that watches its citizens a tad too much to be comfortable with
 
Also, I'm not a British citizen, but I can vote. Just thought I'd throw that in there to get you all riled up a bit. I've been voting all over the place!