The total legal aid bill for the UK amounts to about £110m a year IIRC. This figure is quite small in the grand scheme of things, and I think that spending it to ensure that every defendant has a fair trial and adequate legal protection is money well spent. There would be furore if these convictions were quashed as unsafe in the future due to the individuals having unfair trials.
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The total legal aid bill for the UK amounts to about £110m a year IIRC. This figure is quite small in the grand scheme of things, and I think that spending it to ensure that every defendant has a fair trial and adequate legal protection is money well spent. There would be furore if these convictions were quashed as unsafe in the future due to the individuals having unfair trials.
but you keep buying them because their smaller bias tends to follow along with your littler bias
Not really. I buy them lacking a decent alternative. I just believe them less and less.
Oh, I know what you're saying, but it's these sort of examples which keeps the Daily Mail readers' blood pressure up.
cannot argue with that riposte and in general even the Beeb - at one time - the honest newscaster is no more
but not one tiny little bogotry/bias in you - not even a teeny bit
Only against Daily Mail readers
And Liverpudlians.
And Liverpudlians.
Absolutely spot on - that one sentence sums you up in a nutshell.
Why should I care about some random bloke whom I don't know anything about and probably won't like, and who isn't actually in real danger of any sort?
Be serious, do you? I reckon no one does, I'm just more honest about it. Because if you did, you'd care more about immigrant rights.
I eat out less, cook a bit more, buy in season fruit (apples, mostly), get groceries delivered in bulk, get more carbohydrate from potatoes instead of grains, eat less fish and more chicken, drink less milk and more fruit juice, not much red meat, bake my cakes and some of my bread, no more butter etc etc. Reckon that's saved about 15-20% of my food bill, mainly from now eating out once a week instead of 3-4 times, eating apples instead of imported fruits, and having more potatoes instead of rice and noodles.
Not that people don't do this now of course. I'm just pointing out the studies and statistics you quote don't measure the impact of this sort of behaviour very well. And indeed, they're not designed to do so either, although many media sources quote them as if they were.
If you're interested, my electricity bill has fallen too, by 94%, although I'm not quite sure how I managed that...
I have social consciences - but you are correct, immigrants rights do not figure very highly. Consider swopping 'immigrant' for 'random bloke' in your first sentence.
I take what you would probably consider the bigot's view on immigration - 'you have come to the UK for a reason, if you don't like it here, take the reverse journey.' As you are always telling the rest of us, Spinoza - my message would be stop whingeing and take responsibility for your own actions.
in any other country that would not be considered bigotted - Honestly I've heard it said to expats - often in more florid terms - in every country I've lived in - as recently as last week here in the Costa and no doubt our Aussie and Kiwi friends have said it about whinging poms in their countries BUT in the UK such language is considered racist/bigotted and not considered the done thing by the er sorry liberal/enlightened element. Why ?
Because it usually is.
My issue is with numbers - not their race, creed/religion, colour or provenance.
You may not but I'd like to bet that race, religion etc plays a large part for many.
I bet thats a broad unbiased unproven remark Wibble
but seriously that is the sort of glib remark that doesn't help because people IMO feel they cannot be vocal without a label like that being pinned on them. If you'd said the fear was a economic one then I'd agree with you
As you are aware, Wibble, the problem is that many people simply cannot (or do not wish to) distinguish between the issues of immigration and racism.
I am not racist - I do not believe that my race (stereotyped as British born, fair skinned, fair haired, blue eyed which in itself has sinister connections with Aryan and Nazi ideology) is in any way superior to that of other races with different genetic, religious or cultural characteristics. On the other hand, I think current levels of immigration into the UK are unacceptable, unsustainable and puts too heavy a burden on the public services, which in my opinion should be given as first priority to British-born Nationals of all persuasions. Many people disagree with that view. I consider this is a reasonable topic to debate in this forum in a sensible way.
I hold certain views that are most closely aligned with the British National Party manifesto presented for public consumption. However, I could never associate myself with the BNP because of the truly racist, troglyditic element in its leadership and ground support. Some of the far left extremists, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League are equally repellent.
I am not racist - I do not believe that my race (stereotyped as British born, fair skinned, fair haired, blue eyed which in itself has sinister connections with Aryan and Nazi ideology) is in any way superior to that of other races with different genetic, religious or cultural characteristics. On the other hand, I think current levels of immigration into the UK are unacceptable, unsustainable and puts too heavy a burden on the public services, which in my opinion should be given as first priority to British-born Nationals of all persuasions. Many people disagree with that view. I consider this is a reasonable topic to debate in this forum in a sensible way.
I hold certain views that are most closely aligned with the British National Party manifesto presented for public consumption. However, I could never associate myself with the BNP because of the truly racist, troglyditic element in its leadership and ground support. Some of the far left extremists, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League are equally repellent.
In my experience it is extremely true.
The colour, ethnicity and religion of the migrants in question makes a huge difference to how they are perceived. If there is a movement of "people like us" to fill the low paid jobs we no longer want to do they would be welcomed far more than if the workforce was imported from less acceptable sources. Economic issues or whatever are usually an excuse or at the least just something to latch on to that justifies people's dislike often fueled or facilitated by scaremongering crap in tabloids like The Sun and The Mail.
It has always been so.
I wasn't talking about you.
And while many or even all of the things you talk about are or at least could be of concern this doesn't mean that lots of people don't hide their bigotry behind such views.
I agree, broadly, except that in many specific cases highlighted in the media, immigrants are doing no more than exercising the rights they already have. Infringing those is criminal. I'm sure we've discussed this to death in another thread.
To make it clear, I don't consider you a bigot. And while I think that your stance of "if you don't like it here go home" is overly simplistic as a general approach and a very bad basis for an immigration policy, I agree that it applies to many situations.
Last night on the Beeb, they highlighted the cases of 2 people who were having trouble with inflation. The first was a pensioner who's surviving on £124 a week and growing her own veg to make ends meet. That's quite bad (although if I had enough land to grow food on, I reckon my strategy would be to monetise that asset), and she does need some help.
The second was a mother who said that inflation was preventing her from taking her son on trips and that she was having to work to make ends meet. She doesn't need help, she needs a reality check.
I do think the majority of British people are in the second position rather than the first. There's a sense of entitlement here that's strange, and frankly, quite silly - the government can't make much difference to inflation without compromising on other things.
The second was a mother who said that inflation was preventing her from taking her son on trips and that she was having to work to make ends meet. She doesn't need help, she needs a reality check.
I do think the majority of British people are in the second position rather than the first. There's a sense of entitlement here that's strange, and frankly, quite silly - the government can't make much difference to inflation without compromising on other things.
What about British nationals born elsewhere? And non-British nationals born in the UK?
iguanamanc with the classic, 'I'm not racist. . .' he almost said 'but' and all.
For somebody always preaching facts that is plain silly - you've been in the UK for 5 years ? work in the City - hardly representative of British workers , met 1000 possibly Brits and based on that you can make a sweeping statement to cover 55 million Brits - Wow talk of omnipotent
For somebody always preaching facts that is plain silly - you've been in the UK for 5 years ? work in the City - hardly representative of British workers , met 1000 possibly Brits and based on that you can make a sweeping statement to cover 55 million Brits - Wow talk of omnipotent
Unfortunately, most of those assumptions are wrong, and irrelevant anyway. What's relevant is the amount of time I spend working out economic behaviour by region.Besides, if you've met 55 million Brits, you tell me what they think.
Besides, if you've met 55 million Brits, you tell me what they think.
assumptions may be wrong but not too far wrong I wager - the basic fact is you're no more able to discount the opininions of British people through studies of economic behaviour by region
than I can speak for them - something i never claimed I'll use it here then. If you've nothing sensible to add - butt out and all.
They would both come further down my list of priorities for state provision - as I said I'm sure others disagree.
We have indeed.
Last night on the Beeb, they highlighted the cases of 2 people who were having trouble with inflation. The first was a pensioner who's surviving on £124 a week and growing her own veg to make ends meet. That's quite bad (although if I had enough land to grow food on, I reckon my strategy would be to monetise that asset), and she does need some help.
Why?
What do we know about how she came to be in this position?She could have earned more than me all her working life but spent it all and now finds herself up the creek and complaining.
Why?
What do we know about how she came to be in this position?She could have earned more than me all her working life but spent it all and now finds herself up the creek and complaining.
I read The Mail today
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... gets his crucifix and holy water out
Bob is lowering his IQ to prepare for his return to the US where he only reads the National Enquirer.
That is what Noodle told me anyway.
That is what Noodle told me anyway.
If he is lowering it then his new level will still be higher than anybodies in OZ Wibble
Without disputing the assertion I should point out that the national Enquirer went bust in Oz.
The first person to say that it was because Aussies can't rea .... erm .... er ...
Lets move on. Nothing to see here.
The first person to say that it was because Aussies can't rea .... erm .... er ...
Lets move on. Nothing to see here.
That's because there's nothing to enquire about, since Aussies know everything anyway.
Nearly everything.
They can't tell the difference between sarcasm, irony and outright insult.
Which is amusing when you want to insult someone but far from convenient when they stomp off thinking you have really wished a freak yachting accident on their mother.
Were you a Mail virgin, then?