Ronaldo has more than a few good years left in him. As people have already said the guy is clearly superhuman or something. It would be like an excellent investment all over again.
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That last point isn't that hard to beat though is it? We were successful with Ronaldo and have been without him. When teams buy 6/7 players spending xx amounts of money, distorting the transfer market - that's different. I know you can't see it. The only reason we'd pay THAT kinda money is THAT kinda money is what he's worth. If he was worth 20p, we'd pay it. It's not buying success. He's only one player. Most people recognize though, he would improve the team. Teams buy summer after summer..what's that?
There's a complete difference between buying Ronaldo back for 55m or whatever and buying success...
In the past, if anything we've been financially short sighted. How long did it take Madrid to make back the money on Beckham? How much did we lose by losing that revenue stream...
This assumes we wouldn't win the league without him, anyway. Why? We're doing ok this season. £55m is a lot to "guarantee" something we're strong contenders for anyway. If indeed it is a guarantee, when as has been suggested, he could be on the cusp of a decline, given his age.
It also assumes that money couldn't be spent more productively elsewhere, ie on the midfield. Who's to say that wouldn't be just as likely to deliver us success? I'd argue it's more likely - and not just for the next couple of seasons, but, if spent on the right player, for years to come.
I'm not interested in making snide remarks with asinine FM references. Rado_N made the FM reference, not me. If it's any lobby I'm pushing, it's the one I have been consistently pushing for ages in other threads. I hate the increased money influence in football and the instability of squads. That has nothing to do with FM. Anyone who reads my posts knows that is my most consistent line of thought (perhaps the only one) in these forums, ask Gio or Cal?. And that post doesn't deviate too much from that.
Whether it's a well thought post or not, whether it makes some reasonable points or not, I'm open to debate in that. Some people agreed with me, other's didn't. I accept moonwalker's criticism in his last post for example. He's looking at what I wrote and looking for incongruences. Fair play to him. Yours I don't because you're inferring about my intentions without nothing to back it up.
Not only that, I started with the expression "we", and later in a following post assumed that I myself was to blame. Anyone who reads that carefully knows it's a self-reflection as well and not directed as a dig at anyone. Just go to the Mangala thread or James Rodriguez thread and look at how I'm discussing them in the same terms I'm criticizing above.
Heard Kay Murray, formerly of Real Madrid TV speaking on radio last night and she said Perez wants to keep Ronaldo and will sit down with him in the summer to offer him a new contract, but the problem at the moment is that Ronaldo is saying he won't agree an extension, but he also doesn't necessarily want to move. She obviously has connections and knows how things are behind the scenes there and she pretty much laughed off the £55m story in yesterday's papers.
She also said there are a number of players that are waiting until the end of the season to see if Mourinho leaves, as if he does, they want to too. Whether this includes Ronaldo I don't know. She said Ronaldo is such a physical beast in training that people there think he could play on at a high level until he's 38.
Also said Bale is one who is very much on Real's radar in the summer and their fans are positively drooling at the thought of him joining them.
She also said there are a number of players that are waiting until the end of the season to see if Mourinho leaves, as if he does, they want to too. Whether this includes Ronaldo I don't know. She said Ronaldo is such a physical beast in training that people there think he could play on at a high level until he's 38.
Also said Bale is one who is very much on Real's radar in the summer and their fans are positively drooling at the thought of him joining them.
I'm sure he wasn't but do you think a lack of mental drive is what led to a drop in form? Provided this ankle injury isn't much of an issue I can see Ronaldo still scoring 20+ league goals in his mid-30s, all I was saying was I don't see him having the tools to change his game all that much - he'll just become a lesser version of himself. Whereas with someone like van Persie we'll just see him take on a more creative role.
Anyone that thinks Sir Alex would say no to signing Ronaldo at £55m must have missed the dozens of interviews he's given about the prospect of re-signing him. He loves him like a son.
Sir Alex would sign him again without at doubt even at 55M. Player with a popularity like him can drive in so much commercial money that the transfer fee wouldn't be a problem whatsoever around that mark. But I don't see him leaving Madrid. At the end of the day, Madrid after much fannying about will give him what he wants and he'll sign an extension after a summer full of 'will he, wont he' and ' god knows'.
Yeah there seems to be a special connection between the two that would suggest that Fergie would break his own rules on transfers to get him back.
It will definitely be an interesting novel until he signs an extension or leaves.
Mourinho will probably leave, and I reckon he might try to influence Ronaldo to leave with him. Whether to bring him to wherever he goes, or just out of spite towards Madrid.
Now Pizzi (Portuguese playing at Coruña) states in an interview that they're not appreciated in Spain. A few days ago, rumours of Mourinho and Ronaldo bickering. Quite impossible to predict what will happen in the future. Hopefully jojojo keeps us updated in these novels with his very interesting insight into the Spanish press.
Mourinho will probably leave, and I reckon he might try to influence Ronaldo to leave with him. Whether to bring him to wherever he goes, or just out of spite towards Madrid.
Now Pizzi (Portuguese playing at Coruña) states in an interview that they're not appreciated in Spain. A few days ago, rumours of Mourinho and Ronaldo bickering. Quite impossible to predict what will happen in the future. Hopefully jojojo keeps us updated in these novels with his very interesting insight into the Spanish press.
The Mourinho leaving angle is what makes it sound the slightest bit plausible.
But based on what we know of Ronaldo's personality, I doubt he'd do something that would seem to him at best like abandoning a project halfway through, at worst like jumping ship.
If anything we'd have a better chance if he wins the CL with them and feels like that whole "mission to lead his boyhood club back to glory" phase of his career is accomplished.
But based on what we know of Ronaldo's personality, I doubt he'd do something that would seem to him at best like abandoning a project halfway through, at worst like jumping ship.
If anything we'd have a better chance if he wins the CL with them and feels like that whole "mission to lead his boyhood club back to glory" phase of his career is accomplished.
Re: Mourinho leaving ~
I find it suggestive that Casillas has said he'll be back from injury in four weeks...just after the second leg against us; is he hoping that Mou will be fired by then?
I find it suggestive that Casillas has said he'll be back from injury in four weeks...just after the second leg against us; is he hoping that Mou will be fired by then?
It would be beyond wonderful if he came back, unfortunately all of this is clearly a bargaining ploy in the negotiations for his new contract.
Ronaldo sells papers - that's where most of the stories come from. Nowhere.
However, I'll try and piece together the current speculation and context.
What we know. His contract runs out in 2015 and he's said he's quite happy to play it out and then decide his future. With the Bernabeu now supporting him this is probably true. He actually looks more relaxed now, having made that statement, than he has in the past 4 years there. The Madrid fans don't see him as the villain of the story, some of them now suspect he's the good guy.
What we think we know. Perez wanted Kaka and Benzema to be the jewels in the Madrid crown and hasn't quite adapted to reality. So when Ronaldo went to see him and told him that he was unhappy, he did what any billionaire businessman faced with stroppy hired help might do - he laid his cards on the table. "We'd be willing to sell you next summer, if we could get enough money to buy Messi." Ronaldo didn't get the joke.
What seems to have happened next. Ronaldo having gone through a few weeks of being alternately upset and angry spoke to Mendes and came up with a plan. Stay calm, enjoy playing football, say you'll see the contract out and see what happens. This seemed to work, Ronaldo says he's very stubborn, so it's easy to see him liking this idea.
Since then there have been a few incidents that have finally established Ronaldo as a fan favourite. The cut eye in Levante where he carried on playing and scored. The hattrick in the Copa recovery against Celta. The lack of fight the team shows when he doesn't play. Even the fact that Casillas looks less like a captain every time his girlfriend speaks. It took a while but the Bernabeu finally felt guilty about how they'd treated him, and the more they responded to him, the more he responded to them.
So when Madrid did one of its membership surveys Ronaldo's renewal was top of the personnel wish list - far ahead of buying Bale or Neymar or any shiny new toys.
It's election year for Real Madrid, Perez has now realised that Ronaldo is important and will try to renew his contract. Equally Perez is a businessman and would probably view it as a personal insult if Ronaldo does walk away on a free in two years time.
Hence the re-sign or sell rumours.
However the fact there's nowhere for him to go that's got money, kudos and lifestyle advantages means that it's a very short list of teams that could take him. Hence people coming up with a figure that's inside the limit of possibility for United - one of the few clubs he wouldn't just ignore.
However, I'll try and piece together the current speculation and context.
What we know. His contract runs out in 2015 and he's said he's quite happy to play it out and then decide his future. With the Bernabeu now supporting him this is probably true. He actually looks more relaxed now, having made that statement, than he has in the past 4 years there. The Madrid fans don't see him as the villain of the story, some of them now suspect he's the good guy.
What we think we know. Perez wanted Kaka and Benzema to be the jewels in the Madrid crown and hasn't quite adapted to reality. So when Ronaldo went to see him and told him that he was unhappy, he did what any billionaire businessman faced with stroppy hired help might do - he laid his cards on the table. "We'd be willing to sell you next summer, if we could get enough money to buy Messi." Ronaldo didn't get the joke.
What seems to have happened next. Ronaldo having gone through a few weeks of being alternately upset and angry spoke to Mendes and came up with a plan. Stay calm, enjoy playing football, say you'll see the contract out and see what happens. This seemed to work, Ronaldo says he's very stubborn, so it's easy to see him liking this idea.
Since then there have been a few incidents that have finally established Ronaldo as a fan favourite. The cut eye in Levante where he carried on playing and scored. The hattrick in the Copa recovery against Celta. The lack of fight the team shows when he doesn't play. Even the fact that Casillas looks less like a captain every time his girlfriend speaks. It took a while but the Bernabeu finally felt guilty about how they'd treated him, and the more they responded to him, the more he responded to them.
So when Madrid did one of its membership surveys Ronaldo's renewal was top of the personnel wish list - far ahead of buying Bale or Neymar or any shiny new toys.
It's election year for Real Madrid, Perez has now realised that Ronaldo is important and will try to renew his contract. Equally Perez is a businessman and would probably view it as a personal insult if Ronaldo does walk away on a free in two years time.
Hence the re-sign or sell rumours.
However the fact there's nowhere for him to go that's got money, kudos and lifestyle advantages means that it's a very short list of teams that could take him. Hence people coming up with a figure that's inside the limit of possibility for United - one of the few clubs he wouldn't just ignore.
What happened to that thread in the Transfer forum?That's what people said when we bought van Persie. I don't know why we're willing to pay v. Persie 27m, but not Ronaldo (twice the player he's) for 55m. Not to mention the commercial package he'd bring to the club, would lessen his cost in the long run.
But I highly doubt Madrid would sell him for 55m to us, though. Madrid looked toothless without him on the pitch.
You're right that Madrid won't sell him for 55 so this is all very much a pointless debate.
I disagree it's the same with RVP tho. After all, he joined a team that had fallen short. And there was reason to fear City building on what they had, rather than going backwards. Whereas we relied heavily on aging stars like Scholes last year.
Plus I don't think Ronaldo is twice the player RVP is. Much better, yes. But not twice the player. And as has been suggested, you can make the case RVP's game will adapt better to age than Ronaldo's.
Anyway, it's not going to happen for a host of reasons.
get the feeling the only way we'd ever have ronaldo play for us again will be if he sits out his contract and reveals a dream to play for United again
why would Madrid sell unless someone made a bumper offer (out of our price range)
why would Madrid sell unless someone made a bumper offer (out of our price range)
What get me excited about buying RvP isn't because of what he can do later on his career, but more of what it matters to the current team/squad. We've bought too many young players with potential that enough to serve United for another decade. But they are still a long way to reach their true potential where they even might not make it.
Seeing RvP this season, it's just amazing to see what one world class player can add to our team. I don't expect him to be at his peak forever. 3 years of world class seasons is what I'm expecting from any ready made purchase, where the resale value is the least of my concern.
So for me, 55m of Ronaldo's peak is weight more than 27m of RvP's in those 3 years, regardless of what both can bring beyond those years to the team, or their resale value.
Has been great today. Not just with his direct pace that has troubled them, particularly Alves, but with his passing and discipline too.
Agree!
When he plays like this he's very effective.
Yep & it's great to see him taking people on again.
He went through a phase where he struggled to beat players.
Anyone who says they'd turn down re-signing Ronaldo clearly sees football much differently to me.
Yep I was reading through this thread wondering what the feck is wrong with half of the people. Some saying he's going to be finished in 2 years while others wouldn't pay 50m for him.
If he was available at 50m then half the clubs around Europe would be bidding for him, most of the managers would probably walk to Madrid and carry him back for that.
I guess I'm one of those people. If you say to me, would you like Ronaldo back, the answer is yes. If you say £50m yes or no, it's yes. As people have said, it's not my money. If that is the offer on the table, I'll take it. But if it's Ronaldo or someone else for that money, there are other people I'd sooner take. For example, one mentioned some pages back, Wilshere. I reckon we could use him more. I'd like to see us sign that kind of quality in that position. So it's not really about not wanting Ronaldo. It's not thinking he's not worth the money or he's past it. Its just in my fantasy that we spunk £50m on a big name signing, it's not Ronaldo we bring in.
And then there's the other point, that he isn't going anywhere for anything close to £50m anyway, so who cares?
Actually think Alves did a great job on him.. with a couple of great one-on-one tackles and blocks. None of the goals were his fault either (the 2nd one was on his side of the pitch okay, but Puyol was the one covering and getting beaten on the dribble, and Alves was busting a gut getting back and missed the block by an inch or something). Alves was probably the only decent performer for Barça. Piqué and Alba were terrible, Puyol average. The less said of the rest of the team, the better (Fàbregas horrible, Iniesta wasteful, Messi very inconsistent). RM stand-outs: Varane (exquisite
), Di María, Cristiano and Özil IMO.This was also probably the best I've seen Cristiano against Barça in terms of keeping possession (can't recall a single turnover or dispossession), his passing was very secure + his off the ball movement extremely dynamic!
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There isn't a player anywhere in the World, close to the level of Ronaldo for 50m quid. You say Wilshere but as good as he is, he doesn't make us anywhere near as good as Ronaldo does.
Signing Ronaldo would probably make us the best team in Europe again.
So I refer you to earlier points about longevity.
And would we be better than Barca with Ronaldo?
Ronnie finished in two years, someone's having a larf . He could rage on in the game just like giggsy. He's in impeccable condition.
Anywho, for something like 50mil (more like 65 I reckon) I'd fecking nab your hand off.
. He could rage on in the game just like giggsy. He's in impeccable condition. Anywho, for something like 50mil (more like 65 I reckon) I'd fecking nab your hand off.
Maybe.
Barca are beatable, this week if any has shown us that. Ronaldo, RVP and Rooney in a team would cause them an absolute heap of problems. We'd be too good for them going forward, defensively they'd cause us issues too, but I reckon we're probably capable of dealing with them better than they would be with us with Ronaldo in the team.
Well considering he scores against them for fun these days, I'd say maybe, we'd certainly be closer to them. I'm not even sure how big the gap is these days anyway.
The trophies Ronaldo would help us win in the next 4 years would more than pay for his fee, couldn't say that with any other 50m quid player.
I'll concede Ronaldo would make us better on day one. I reckon Wilshere would be better business over five years.
It's mad, they are two signings away from being a complete team and two departures away from being a distinctly average team.
One the one hand, if they add a defender and a striker (of real quality), they will not be stopped.
If they somehow lost Iniesta and Messi, they'd win feck all and wouldn't even be challenging.
Then again you could say this of most teams.
Ronnie finished in two years, someone's having a larf
Anywho, for something like 50mil (more like 65 I reckon) I'd fecking nab your hand off.
He's definitely got a lot more than two years left. I'm not that convinced he'll be so effective when he loses his pace and that strength that sets his apart, though. So much of what he does is based around completely physically dominating the opposition. It would take a big adjustment.
Wilshere will never reach Ronaldo's level, not close, Ronaldo is likely to stay at that level for the next 4 years at least.
That "level" I'm talking about is 182 goals in 179 games.
Giggs relied heavily on speed and trickery, none of us would have thought he'd have the vision, passing, and toughness to become what he is today.
Ronnie isn't just skill/speed merchant, he's a great reader of the game and a smart footballer. I'd say he'd even surpass Giggsy in modifying his game for longevity.
I think he will move more central and become a target man once he loses pace, and a very good one at that.
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