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Cristiano Ronaldo
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From a CQ article today:
....Queiroz also praised Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo, whom he coached for both United and Portugal, for his perfectionism and compared him to the bodybuilder, actor and former governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He added: "It was rare to see in a young player so much talent and such a strong personality, purpose, persistence and commitment. I read about Arnold Schwarzenegger learning to dance the tango -- he was obsessed with being a perfectionist. Cristiano is the same,
"I was once in my office at Carrington and saw something moving in the trees far away. Maybe it was a spy -- we used to have them.
"I called security and asked. They came back to me and said: 'It's Cristiano Ronaldo. He's training alone.' He is unique as a footballer."
....Queiroz also praised Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo, whom he coached for both United and Portugal, for his perfectionism and compared him to the bodybuilder, actor and former governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He added: "It was rare to see in a young player so much talent and such a strong personality, purpose, persistence and commitment. I read about Arnold Schwarzenegger learning to dance the tango -- he was obsessed with being a perfectionist. Cristiano is the same,
"I was once in my office at Carrington and saw something moving in the trees far away. Maybe it was a spy -- we used to have them.
"I called security and asked. They came back to me and said: 'It's Cristiano Ronaldo. He's training alone.' He is unique as a footballer."
This is I love him. He maybe a cnut but he's a bloody committed hard worker to go with it. Deserves all the success he gets.
He really is a machine isn't he. I'm sure if our boy Rooney had followed in his footsteps he'd be top 3 with Messi and Ron.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/feedarticle/11625138
Wants to be the best ever. That's why he probably will be the best ever or top 3 at least. His numbers don't look real. The other day I was reading his stat line and they just don't seem real. They look fake.
I don't think you could put up those numbers on FIFA if you played under legendary mode.
Wants to be the best ever. That's why he probably will be the best ever or top 3 at least. His numbers don't look real. The other day I was reading his stat line and they just don't seem real. They look fake.
I don't think you could put up those numbers on FIFA if you played under legendary mode.
The three are widely considered to be Maradona, Pele and Messi. You think he's a better player than them? I wonder if the older generation of Real fans consider him to be better than Di Stefano.
He's better than Pele, yes.
Pele is so overhyped it's not even funny. Scoring 1000 goals in a garbage Brazilian league is his best feat. He has been better than Messi for a good two years now. For a while Messi was better but he doesn't look like the same player he was a few years ago, whilst Ronaldo has gotten even better than the player he was a few years ago. The fact is he's smashed two leagues now. The two leagues that are hailed as the best in the world.
Face it, the people who don't give Ronaldo enough credit are the ones who don't like his attitude. But they should realize that his attitude only consists of striving to be the best ever. Such attitude should be hailed, especially if you are a former Manchester United player and in my eyes, legend.
Such high praise, what with you being such an impartial observer.
I'm not going to argue the Messi point cause quite frankly it's bollocks. He's not as good as Messi and never has been, but how on earth can you say Pele is overhyped or flat out say Cristiano Ronaldo is better than him?
It's a bit funny calling Pele overhyped and pointing out his goal tally in a garbage league. Remind me again exactly what Cristiano is doing right now? Scoring lots of goals v crap teams in a rubbish (from a competitive POV) league.
Yeah by the time he retires, he can and most probably will have a claim to be among top 3 of all time. To me though, it is really tough selecting out 'just 3' from all time. Most of the time that is skewed towards forwards anyway which is unfair and not correct. If anything, he will obviously will be among the games all time greats and best, whether a few agree or not.
He's undoubtedly been better than Messi for 2 seasons now. I believe that Messi is burned out, personally. The question you have to ask though is Ronaldo right now better than level we seen from Messi between 08-12? The answer is pretty obvious, IMO. He's a great player but he'll never ever be top 3.
It's his attitude that I respect most about him. His desire to be the very best he can be and his work ethic is second to none.
He won't. Only in Ronaldo's mums eyes maybe.
This is just ridiculous. Santos of early 60's was one of the best club team globally of that time. Christiano would not survive a single season in that league, which was far rougher and tougher than what you get now. Garbage league, huh? Ever wonder why there are so many brazilians around when their home league is garbage?
Messi is individually more talented, but Ronaldo is a better footballer overall. Very similar to Pele/Maradona I would say.
Yeah, echo that 'eh?'
I knew that would attract attention. I really do think Ronaldo is more rounded off the two. Pace, dribbling, heading, free kicks, he can do the lot...probably Messi does some things better..I really like CR7, esp in United style of play at that time.He makes a ridiculous point, downplaying Pele's achievements and a league which was competitive that time, so you add your bit of insanity with the bolded bit. Good going.
Yeah the Champions league is definitely crap.
He bullied the PL and La liga but yeah let's just gloss over that.
Put the joint down...
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/
Read this properly. If you have any valid arguments with proper facts/analysis, feel free to share.
The point was about mismatch in comparison between different times. The gameplay was far rougher then, the players are far fitter now etc etc. Calling Pele's Santos garbage in comparison to current Real Madrid is just ignorant.
Let others have their fantasies. Still, that was a great analysis article. Cheers for posting that!
Doesn't Messi have a better free kick record than Ronaldo in recent years? Ronaldo's certainly better in the air but that's kind of stating the obvious, bit like how Messi's got better balance (because he's a short arse). Not a better dribbler than Messi either is he? Ronaldo's definately faster, though you could argue Messi's quicker over the first few yards.
IMO, Messi's alot better on the ball, Ronaldo's alot better off it, and it's a very under-estimated part of football. Making space for a pass, disrupting a teams shape, pulling defenders into unwanted positions, getting into the right positions to score etc. Ronaldo works alot harder not just because he's alot more driven, but because he has too. If he's as static as Messi is he can be god awful, Messi can do it but still be a threat or carve something out of nothing.
No, it isn't. At the end of the day Pelé had done more on the international stage at the age of 18 than Messi or Ronaldo have in their entire (international) careers so far.
And he also had a better team to do it with as well. Ronaldo has a garbage national team and you know it.
Top 3 ever?! Don't be ridiculous...
More like top 30, am I right, ShedEnd?
More like top 30, am I right, ShedEnd?
Ronaldo played in the best, most successful Portuguese team in almost 50 years* at the age of 19 and wasn't anywhere near the level of Pelé, and throughout his career both he and the team underperformed massively. The idea that he's played in a poor team since then is silly...it's a good team that have played poorly. A bit like France post-Zidane. Without Maradona that Argentina team would've been called a "garbage" national team...
That's about right, I'd say.
He debuted in that team, and if I need to remind you - that team won nothing.
Portugal is trash and I'm not sure why you're comparing with France considering the latter always produces top talent. In the last 10 years, Portugal haven't really produced anyone noteworthy.
with the other ronaldo, zidane and cruyff, or even better than them
not in the top three or four, a step above, but a class of his own
I am not for one second saying that Ronaldo is better than Pele but I cannot believe that you are comparing the national teams they play for and saying that Ronaldo plays for the "best most successful Portuguese team in almost 50 years" as if they could still be compared to Brazil. And saying that they are a good team that is playing poorly is not true at all. They are a good team but they have massively overachieved in some of the tournaments over the years and were not expected to go as far as they did in any of them apart from perhaps Euro 2004 when they were at home. The majority of their players are hard working and have decent to good technical ability and they have had terrible strikers. Since Figo and Deco retired what world class players have they had in midfield or attack other than Ronaldo? There have been plenty of teams that have had much better squads than them over the years.
They have done very well to go as far as they have over the years and that is due to them being very hard working, defending well and having a fantastic attitude and team spirit (as well as nerves of steel when it comes to penalties). What Portugal have done over the years is a success in my book and Ronaldo did well in Euro 2004, World cup 2006 and Euro 2012. I do not think Ronaldo is as good as Pele or Messi at his peak but to make out that he plays for an underachieving national team and that he has underachieved massively is not true. He could have done better sure but he has certainly has done ok. If he played for Spain or Germany (the best national teams around) like Pele did back in the day I am sure he would have had a better international career and so would Messi.
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They'll never get a better chance to win something than they did when they played Greece in the final as the host nation. But they (your boy included) choked.
There's no objective measurement available, it's subjective opinions, based on your own opinion based on what you have, seen, heard, read, smelt etc. Too many dynamics, it's impossible to compare different generations, it's all opinion at the end of the day.
In this case by a player who is nowhere near the end of his career, impossible to judge at the moment, even to get to a considered very subjective position.
you are right, of course, is always a matter of opinion, it's all subjective
and be sure that if he doesnt perform well for four or five games in a row, a lot of people will say that he is not even top 10
we are football fans, and that's what we do
Yes, the fact he debuted in that team and the fact that team won nothing is sort of the whole point. If he performed at the same level Pelé had performed at in his first international tournament then Portugal would undoubtedly have won the Euro's...and on the flipside it's entirely possible Brazil would have failed to win yet another World Cup without Pelé's vital contribution. It's easy to talk about the amazing team he played in but back then they were just a collection of talented individuals who hadn't won anything. Without Pelé there would likely be no World Cup win in '58 and who knows what happens after that.
I'm not sure what "top talent" has to do with it? Who from Brazil was a "top talent" when they won the world cup in '94? Romario, Dunga and Bebeto at a stretch. Argentina in '86 and '90 had no-one but Maradona. Germany in '82 had Breitner and Rummenigge. Argentina in '78 had Kempes, Passarella and Ardiles at a stretch. England in '66 had the two Bobby's. There are very few teams that have more than a couple of top talents...and you could argue Portugal in 2004 had that with Ronaldo, Figo and Deco/Rui Costa at a stretch.
Since then they've dropped down a level in terms of individual quality, yes, but let's not pretend their Euro 2008 team was in any way poor. In terms of individual quality they were every bit as strong as the German side that beat them, they just didn't play well at all. Ronaldo in particular was well below-par and barely had an impact. You can try and re-write history re: Pelé but with Ronaldo it's right there for everyone to see.
I don't think you understand the fact that bar Ronaldo, there is not a single world class player in that Portugal squad. This is contrary to Pele's Brazil.
They were a collection of talented individuals which is way more than you can say of anything Portugal has ever put together. I don't know why you're counting Ronaldo as a top talent in 2004. He was just a kid ffs. That's like saying United had top talent last year because of Januzaj.
I don't need to re-write anything. The fact is, Portugal's squads have been downright pathetic, whilst Brazil during their world cup winning years have had a far stronger side.
Well there you go. When we're comparing him against the best players in history "ok" looks pretty bad. Yes, if he played in the Brazil team they most likely would have won in '62 and '70 (although I don't think they would have won in '58), but if you put Pelé in that Portugal team I reckon they could well have won back-to-back international tournaments in 2004 and 2006. That's the difference.
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