Why do people care if he is egotistical or not? I doubt too many Madrid fans give a shit considering what he produces on the pitch and that should always be the main thing. He has worked damn hard to be such a talent and I have read many times that he is always last to leave the training field. He really deserves all the plaudits he gets in my opinion.
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He did celebrate with his teammates, but he also spared 10sec of posing for himself, it's a new record and he is not allowed to spend a spare 10sec to celebrate it at his home soil?
Why do people keep asking this question?
You don't have to "care" about something to comment about it on an internet forum.
In the grand scheme of things, I couldn't give two shites whether Tom Ince will do well in Italy. Does this mean I'm not allowed to discuss the transfer?
I'm sure 99% of the people posting in this thread won't lose any sleep about whether or not Ronaldo is a knob. If they see him acting like one, though, what's your problem with them pointing this out?
I didn't write it FWIW so can't really testify for its veracity. Just posting what I read up on some other sites.
I honestly don't remember Messi taking off his shirt in a celebration and posing for it. Do you?
You failed to mention it was his 17th goal, all time record. Before he made that pose he did hug with his teammates to celebrate.
This is all rather absurd, the lad didn't do anything outside the legal or moral confines of the game and yet he gets stick. Is this what a dismal season has reduced us to? arguing aimlessly about whether or not former player of ours and a current CL winner should have celebrated scoring a goal in the CL final?
It was a decent final for us the neutrals and if anything it underscored the gap in quality that we need to make up to be an effective force in world football once again.
It was a decent final for us the neutrals and if anything it underscored the gap in quality that we need to make up to be an effective force in world football once again.
Of course he is allowed to do it. But in doing so, he must accept he will have some people on an internet forum calling him an arrogant narcissistic prick. The greatest punishment known to man.
So says the man who is entering the exact same debate he apparently scorns...
It's pointless debating it with someone who clearly has a hard-on for him. I have nothing but respect for Ronaldo but that doesn't mean he isn't arrogant and he deserves criticism for it at times.
Where did this come from? Discussions on Ronaldo and his ego have been going on for ages, even when we won the league. Our performances this season have got nothing to do with what's being discussed here.
I give it up, just remember he didn't celebrate after scoring against us last season out of his respect to us. In return this is how our fans repay him...
I agree with his being arrogant, but don't agree with the "deserves criticism" for it part. He is one of the best footballers of this generation and it would have been great had he been humble. But him having some ego does not make him bad.
Don't get me started on the whole pointedly not celebrating goals against your old team shtick. If ever there was a celebration intended to seek out the spot-light...
Not unique to Ronaldo, of course. They're all fecking at it. Should probably add it to that thread about irritating aspects of modern football.
Not unique to Ronaldo, of course. They're all fecking at it. Should probably add it to that thread about irritating aspects of modern football.
I disagree. Always last off the training pitch, the real Ronaldo has always been one to shun the limelight...
I'm not saying it makes him bad. But he cannot justify his celebration. If it was the last minute and he scored his third goal to make it 3-0 and celebrated like he did his penalty to make it 4-1 it would have been funny. You would have had no choice but to admire and respect what he did. But in a Champions League final, a team effort, where he has played dross, he scores a last minute inconsequential penalty and makes it so the limelight is on him and not the team
The criticism are fine but not to this extent, it's not like he bites or dives or hurts anyone, yet such slating has been going on here for several days already.
If you are posting about something then surely you have some sort of opinion towards it and considering the amount of people who discuss about Ronaldo's ego, clearly they feel strongly about it one way or the other.
Decent bit of irony there Pogue. Let me just cop out of this
Ronaldo is arrogant but that's his choice. It's that confidence that means he can score 50 a season. It doesn't make him a bad person. I think he's a tit for leaving United, especially at the time as he could have a shed load more medals - however, if he's happy he's happy. A happy tit.
Of course people criticising him have an opinion. You're making a bit of a leap to infer from this that they "feel strongly about it".
I would wager that the majority of posts in the football forums are about stuff that people don't feel strongly about. I reckon every single one my posts would fall in that category. Doesn't stop me blabbering on though.
I'm not saying it makes him bad. But he cannot justify his celebration. If it was the last minute and he scored his third goal to make it 3-0 and celebrated like he did his penalty to make it 4-1 it would have been funny. You would have had no choice but to admire and respect what he did. But in a Champions League final, a team effort, where he has played dross, he scores a last minute inconsequential penalty and makes it so the limelight is on him and not the team
Quite a contrary he was largely a team player in this match, didn't shoot at half chance like he does usually, he did keep tracking back and passing to his teammates in better position throughout the match.
He had 9 shots in the game...
Some of the comments here are ridiculous, it's as if they didn't actually watch it and simply relied on the papers to pass judgment.
1st goal : he reacted first to the goal, put his arm up to celebrate, then went to grab the ball because to him, the game wasn't finished and there to be won.
Then he looked up and saw his whole team running off the pitch to celebrate.
He looked bemused at the lack of professionalism.
2nd goal : he just sprinted the length of the pitch to help out with defending.
You can see he started the sequence near the Althetico box, next to someone else who was completely not interested in getting back and help out.
Ronaldo, despite being injured, did the professional thing and sprinted back.
You can see he's quite shattered afterwards, he couldn't make the run up to join in the counter attack.
So I can see why he didn't spend all his energy sprinting up to celebrate, especially when the game is not finished yet.
3rd goal : clear images of him celebrating and smiling
4th goal : he celebrated with the team first, then had a 10 second moment playing to the crowd.
Feck me, what a crime.
This was his home final, probably a final he earmarked well in advance.
A final he was very much in danger of missing due to injury.
A final that risked his participation to the World Cup.
He had a frustrating game, probably had to play through the pain but still gave everything he had right to the end.
So I don't see what's the problem with him releasing all those pressure and stress when he scored that goal.
Those criticizing him probably also said Giggs was a tosser for his celebration for THAT goal...
1st goal : he reacted first to the goal, put his arm up to celebrate, then went to grab the ball because to him, the game wasn't finished and there to be won.
Then he looked up and saw his whole team running off the pitch to celebrate.
He looked bemused at the lack of professionalism.
2nd goal : he just sprinted the length of the pitch to help out with defending.
You can see he started the sequence near the Althetico box, next to someone else who was completely not interested in getting back and help out.
Ronaldo, despite being injured, did the professional thing and sprinted back.
You can see he's quite shattered afterwards, he couldn't make the run up to join in the counter attack.
So I can see why he didn't spend all his energy sprinting up to celebrate, especially when the game is not finished yet.
3rd goal : clear images of him celebrating and smiling
4th goal : he celebrated with the team first, then had a 10 second moment playing to the crowd.
Feck me, what a crime.
This was his home final, probably a final he earmarked well in advance.
A final he was very much in danger of missing due to injury.
A final that risked his participation to the World Cup.
He had a frustrating game, probably had to play through the pain but still gave everything he had right to the end.
So I don't see what's the problem with him releasing all those pressure and stress when he scored that goal.
Those criticizing him probably also said Giggs was a tosser for his celebration for THAT goal...
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Alright mate, whatever, you have a picture in your head of me ranting and being angry and hating Ronaldo (I guess by your name you're not being very objective on the matter), I'm not being any of those things.
I'm saying it was a attention seeking, contrived celebration. As you admit yourself - Ronaldo is a narrcicist, so I don't really get what all the fuss is about in saying that. He also didn't do much else during the game, but then he was pretty obviously not match fit.
It's ok, he's still an outstanding player, and a Utd legend, I have a huge amount of respect for him as a player. I'm not telling you to take your posters down or anything
He just acted like a bit of a dickhead, thats all.
So? He did track back and pass to his teammates who were in better position than him to which result in 2 other goals scored (pass to Di Maria to Bale header, pass to Marcelo which result in his solo goal)
Don't have an issue with that, just the he didn't shoot at half chance like he usually does part. 9 shots is higher than his average per game - expected given it was 30 minutes longer than usual, but not indicative of him choosing his shots more carefully.
Alright mate, whatever, you have a picture in your head of me ranting and being angry and hating Ronaldo (I guess by your name you're not being very objective on the matter), I'm not being any of those things.
I'm saying it was a attention seeking, contrived celebration. As you admit yourself - Ronaldo is a narrcicist, so I don't really get what all the fuss is about in saying that. He also didn't do much else during the game, but then he was pretty obviously not match fit.
It's ok, he's still an outstanding player, and a Utd legend, I have a huge amount of respect for him as a player. I'm not telling you to take your posters down or anything
He just acted like a bit of a dickhead, thats all.
Well it's a direct quote coming from your keyboard you know, who else could you blame
I see your trying real hard to portrait other as fanboy instead, if that makes you feel better I don't mind.Point is he didn't play selfishly for this particular match, he played for the team to win,and he did play his part. In perspective it's only his 10sec of posing which people don't like. But with game already done and dusted, and everyone were in ecstatic mood, I think any kind of over the top celebration should be forgiven.
Ronaldo is one of the few people in the world that can put a beaming smile on Roy Keane's face. And here some of you criticising his character!
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The Rodger comparison was simply to highlight what I perceive to over way the top criticism of Ronaldo.
Hardly anyone has a bad word to say about Ronaldo. He had a spat with Van Nistelrooy and apparently a couple of the Spanish Madrid divas do not get on with him. Aside from that though, most players that have been on the same team as him hold him in the highest regard. Fergie, Rio and Keane are just three that seem to adore him. Even Rooney is good friends with him. If he was really perceived to be so self centred and anti team ethic this would not be the case, especially from a guy like Keane.
The witch hunt just seems to me as being people getting needlessly righteous and taking the game too seriously.
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The Rodger comparison was simply to highlight what I perceive to over way the top criticism of Ronaldo.
Hardly anyone has a bad word to say about Ronaldo. He had a spat with Van Nistelrooy and apparently a couple of the Spanish Madrid divas do not get on with him. Aside from that though, most players that have been on the same team as him hold him in the highest regard. Fergie, Rio and Keane are just three that seem to adore him. Even Rooney is good friends with him. If he was really perceived to be so self centred and anti team ethic this would not be the case, especially from a guy like Keane.
The witch hunt just seems to me as being people getting needlessly righteous and taking the game too seriously.
Ronaldo is a cnut, has always be a cnut, will always be a cnut, the only difference being, he used to be our cnut.
the context is completely different. Ali did the same in boxing, but at the heart of it all he was likeable and beat his opponents, which makes his actions justified. Ronaldo is in a team, he did nothing in the final and goes off and celebrates like he single handedly won the match.
Bolt only does that because he knows he can win. If bolt did what he does and then came fourth, hed look like a fool, a bit like ronaldo did last saturday night.
Yep, that's what I saw too. He and Bale were quite effectively marked out of large chunks of the match by Atletico, but they kept working incredibly hard (and Bale did eventually start to carve out a few unlikely chances for himself in the second half.) Their hard work created the spaces which Di Maria and Modric exploited so brilliantly.
Yeah, he looked like a right fool celebrating winning the most prestigious trophy in club football having proved himself not only the best player in the world this season but one of the best of all time, breaking multiple records and undoubtedly his team's best and most important player this season. How embarrassing for him!
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in the world for some people.exactly
First it was moyes, now ronaldo. Why cant we just be united in our hate against liverpool. make the rawk meltdown thread popular again..... that was a good laugh and we were all friends
Yeah, he looked like a right fool celebrating winning the most prestigious trophy in club football having proved himself not only the best player in the world this season but one of the best of all time, breaking multiple records and undoubtedly his team's best and most important player this season. How embarrassing for him!
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wow im quite impressed by your incredible insight. I didnt know ronaldo was the best player in the world. Ok given that, his celebration was justified.
Yeah, he looked like a right fool celebrating winning the most prestigious trophy in club football having proved himself not only the best player in the world this season but one of the best of all time, breaking multiple records and undoubtedly his team's best and most important player this season. How embarrassing for him!
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Don't think "fool" is the right word but you're completely missing the point if you think anybody is criticising him for celebrating winning the CL.
The criticism begins and ends with his evident focus on individual glory in a team sport. Obviously, this bothers some people more than others. To each their own, eh?
Glad you've seen sense. Not that your assertion that a team's best player shouldn't celebrate a goal in a victorious Champions League final didn't make a lick of sense or anything...
not the celebration but the manner of it
Where did the idea come from that the two are mutually exclusive? Because he celebrated his own goal exuberantly he cares less about the team?
It's all symptomatic of this obsession with imagining a load of drama into football which isn't actually there. You think any of his teammates gave a solitary feck about how he celebrated his goal? You think they'd have wanted some muted reaction because it was a penalty and therefore 'doesn't count' or something? Do you think the Madrid fans don't want to see their players ecstatic about every single goal?
No-one who matters would be anything but pleased.
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