The reason for that is simple. Ribery won the treble and used that his marketing tool to be named the best in the world thee truth is he is not even top 5 not then and not now. His season in 2013 was nothing close to that of a best player in the world level and Bayern would have won that final or finals and the league without him ( robben was their best player that year. As for Sneijder not only did he win the treble and not only was he the best player on that team he led his country to a World Cup final. He had a best player in the world worthy season hence he should have won it . Modric can make a smilier case this year certainly with his country and debateable as to if they would have got to the CL final without Ronaldo. The point is Ribery should have never even been close. It is not just about winning a treble.
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Never ceases to amaze me how emotive people find the Ronaldo v Messi debate.The same way Ronaldo should win it this year then no?
I agree there are many who choose Messi and thats fine I enjoy both tho prefer Ronaldo. But many can argue if both ended their careers today Ronaldo would slightly edge it. Regardless this is not to be a Messi vs Ronaldo debate but rather how he gets the amount of disrespect he does not ARGUABLY the best player of the generation.
Like I said I dont want to make it a Messi v Ronaldo debate but that was a reply to the dumb post above
So just to confirm, all the messi fanboys are finally agreeing that goals are the only criteria to judge players by?
Nope. He was often a substitute that season. He had a very good CL final but he definitely wasn't their best player that season. Ribery had an outstanding season, to say he wasn't top 5 that year is well of the mark imo. He deservedly won Bundesliga player of the year, also won the best player in Europe award. Having said that, I agree with you about him not deserving to win the Ballon d'Or and wouldn't have put Ribery above Ronaldo or Messi that year, despite his trophy success. He'd certainly have been my choice for the third spot though, comfortably.
The funny thing is that because they are blinded by their worship for their idol they react instinctively to every perceived attack - and that's true for fanbois on both sides. And this thread more or less proves it as not a single one of the CR fanbois realized it when I said I'm glad "WE got rid of him". I'm a RM fan through and through and witnessed the decline of Ronaldo first hand, saw all of his games for 9 seasons. This isn't the same player and he won't get any better. The only question left is how fast and steep the decline will be - and last season was bad. In retrospect he had 2-3 good months, all in this calendar year.
His self inflicted red card in the super copa and his lack of goals in the first half of the season was a main reason why the league was decided in October already and even this year he was only good until the first leg against Juventus where he missed a sitter from three yards out for the fourth goal. In the second leg he was invisible during the game but had the deciding moment with the penalty (I'm 100% convinced Messi would have missed that as he falters under pressure) and after that he was a non-factor in the semi-finals and the final.
It's sad to see these kinds of emotions in normal people for millionaires who try to dodge every cent of taxes they can. The Messi-Ronaldo debate is more or less a symbol for the extremism we can see in the wider society between left and right. Both sides think they have the absolute truth, they feel attacked by the slightest perceived criticism and then they will denounce, demonize and viciously attack everyone who doesn't agree 100%. Because if you don't agree 100% you're part of the other camp...
Saying he's flopped after 2 games
Hasn't he always started slow in the recent years? No doubt he'll end up scoring goals for fun sooner than later. He has set himself up to be at his peak at the later stages of the season.
Hasn't he always started slow in the recent years? No doubt he'll end up scoring goals for fun sooner than later. He has set himself up to be at his peak at the later stages of the season.
Saying he's flopped after 2 games
Hasn't he always started slow in the recent years? No doubt he'll end up scoring goals for fun sooner than later. He has set himself up to be at his peak at the later stages of the season.
Last season he wasn't at his peak in the deciding games. He was at his peak during February and March, after that it went downhill again...
I would find it equally bizarre for anyone to stop watching Real Madrid, or start watching Juventus, simply because Ronaldo now plays for them!
The 'product' of football is getting worse and worse, and the cost is getting higher and higher.
The broadcaster that has taken over coverage of Italian football in the UK is constantly touting Ronaldo moving to Serie A as being exciting, when the reality is that Juventus have won the title for seven years in a row, and have done the double for the last four seasons. La Liga is somewhat better because of the rivalry between Barca and Real, and also Atleti have been strong over the last few seasons. But most of the time Barca and Real are facing teams and clubs who can't possibly compete with them, while Juventus have completely dominated Italian football for the best part of a decade.
That's why I can't understand why Ronaldo has moved to a much worse league, to effectively a one-team league, where anything other than winning the title every season will be failure. His entire season at Juventus will come down to whether or not Juventus win the Champions League, to basically a few games in the knockout stages of the Champions League, as they should walk through the group stages.
Equally, they should be an absolute shoo-in to win Serie A, and are already heavily odds-on with the bookmakers. Ronaldo barely bothered with the league last season, bombing up until Christmas, being rested half the time after it, and scoring some meaningless goals months after Real were out of the title race. However, this season his league form and performances are now almost irrelevant. As I say, anything else other than Juventus winning the league is a massive failure, so what difference does it make what he does?
The question I would ask is...why would anyone watch these games, unless they were Italian?
Real + Portugal fans: Ronaldo has been superb!
Barca + Argentina fans: He‘s been decent.
Barca + Argentina fans: He‘s been decent.
It's bizarre that anyone thinks he's not in decline tbh. He's nearly 34 and has shitloads of football.
Probably good business for Madrid, getting that price for him and accepting they need to rebuild.
How long is his Juve contract? Will be interesting to see what his legacy there ends up being.
Where else would he go if he was looking for something new? In England only City and Liverpool look like they can win stuff, Guardiola probably would not want to buy him and Klopp couldn't even if he wanted to. Bayern wouldn't pay his wages, PSG appears restricted by FFP and already has Neymar as a team diva on the (half-)left - both clubs also fall under the same criticism you've applied to Juventus.
Serie A is actually not a one team league. It was but Juve was on the verge of losing the league last season and they're winning matches with difficulty. It's not easy anymore as most of the teams around Juve have significantly improved.
Again, I never said that the Ballon d'Or has to be won every year by the best player in the world, I don't want to make this into another debate between Cris and Leo so I'll use another examples with Cannavaro, Nedved, Owen or to a certain point Shevchenko (the year he won wasn't his best year, he was riding the hype of his team winning UCL in 2003 and the league in 2004). Those players weren't the best players in the world those years, they reaped the profits of playing for successful clubs.
And with Ribery, he got the Bundesliga player of the year and UEFA player of the year. If his team wins the treble and the 2 biggest of the 3 competitions he won design him as the best player in the tournament... that's Ballon d'Or winner material for any other era in the history of the award until the Leo vs Cris rivalry surfaced.
This thread is fecking mental
Out of all the players in the world to doubt because he hasn't scored a goal in two games? Who for the past two seasons doesn't start off the season in blistering fashion. Jesus, people never learn.
He was pretty good in the games so far, just unfortunate not to score. Not phenomenal, but I'm sure he will end up being a huge success overall for Juventus.
Why go somewhere new at all? You could perhaps understand it if Real were running away with the Spanish League, similar to PSG and Bayern Munich, but they've only won it twice in the last 10 years, and their league campaign last season was appalling.
The answer, in my opinion, is that he only really cares about the Champions League because it's the vanity trophy that wins you the Ballon d'Or, so he might as well move to a league in which there is no domestic competition, then he can pick up league winners medals without having to make the same effort as would be required to dethrone Barcelona, and claim that this is then a success and that he has overcome this new 'challenge', even if Juventus don't win the Champions League.
I can't see any other reason for going there, apart from money. Undoubtedly it would be far more interesting for people watching, and far more challenging for him as a player, if he was still at Real, competing with Barcelona. Moving to Juventus is just flat-track bullying, really.
Didn't he look pretty much shot a year ago? Bounced back from that so he could do that for Juve too. However he's a the age now that you expect him to decline.
Money is the reason he left, and he went to juventus, not al halal of the qatar league...
They all leave and plan their careers for money. Ronaldo cannot be criticized for joining one of the biggest clubs in Europe, some people are just ready to criticize no matter what, it's nuts
Didn't score in his first three games last season and then had one goal in his first 8 appearences
It's not even like he had other options. His options were go to juventus, stay in madrid, or leave europe.They all leave and plan their careers for money. Ronaldo cannot be criticized for joining one of the biggest clubs in Europe, some people are just ready to criticize no matter what, it's nuts
Im curious what he took for smoking. Gotta have one of those too.
Why leave at all? Why join a league that has been won by the same club for seven consecutive seasons, and which is odds-on to win it again?
In my opinion, the answer to that question is that he knew he was going to come second best to Barcelona again, so he joined a club where he doesn't even have to play well for them to win the league. It's basically nailed-on. And then if they don't win the Champions League, when Juventus inevitably win Serie A he can claim that he has succeeded in this new 'challenge' (some challenge!).
Clearly it would have been far more challenging to stay with Real and attempt to overturn the 17-point gap between them and Barcelona last season.
Because he didn't want to stay in Madrid. His relationship with Florentino Perez was broken beyond repair.
Yeah, he must have had a really hard life out there, I feel sorry for him.
Using that same 'logic', why would he walk away from a guaranteed CL win?
It's like you can't read, and you just want to push your own agenda.
He left for more money.
He has come out and said he hates Perez and feels cheated by the club over the tax issue. If Perez gave him a new contract he would have stayed.
Where else can he go that is free from lame hater criticism?
If he goes to PSG you will use the same odds-on to win it argument.
If he goes to City you will use the same odds-on to win it argument.
If he goes to Bayern you will use the same odds-on to win it argument.
If he goes to Barca he gets more hell.
Every league is a one horse league, deal with it. At least he didn't go to Qatar or China or the MLS.
Much less than what he gets at Juve.
If Perez offers higher than the market to make up for his tax losses, he wouldn't be unhappy and will stay.
He wanted €30m in base salary plus 9-10 in bonuses. We refused to offer him that until juventus did. He also stands to make considerably more money in Italy thanks to the new flat tax, through the sponsorships and image rights. And he no longer has to deal with the spanish tax authorities
And that's exactly the core of the problem. Cristiano saw how Barca fans hoisted the tax evading criminal Messi on their shoulders and celebrated him on their shoulders through the city and expected the same to happen. But neither the club nor the fans were willing to do that as his tax problems were his own personal issue and they didn't want to pay for it. That's just common sense. If Perez had done it that would have been the biggest point of criticism fired in his direction during his second stay at the club and could have resulted in a revolt. RM is bigger than any one player, even Cristiano Ronaldo.
(And on a personal note: Hearing him say that the competition should be renamed the CR CL - and that directly after a final where he was more or less invisible - shows that his ego got out of hand and it was finally time to say thank you and goodbye.)
Sneijder was in the running until fall when Messi ended up having a ridiculous hotstreak while Sneijder struggled to perform. The deadline was a day after the 5:0 classico win which sure helped too.
He got snubbed hard finishing behind Iniesta and Xavi though.
He has a better chance of winning the CL with Juve than Madrid, even if he stayed, the chances of winning a fourth in a row were one in a million. The four favorites for me this season are Barça, City, PSG and Juve. You can bet your ass that one of this four is the winner.
Pffft....
Bale > (Ronaldo+Messi)
Am I right, guys? Like if u agree.
Bale > (Ronaldo+Messi)
Am I right, guys? Like if u agree.
If he went to PSG or Bayern then obviously the same comment would be perfectly valid.
If he went to a club in the PL then he would not be nailed on to win anything.
Frankly, I find it preposterous to suggest that Real Madrid didn't want to keep him.
This would all equally apply to Messi BTW. Except the suggestion that Barcelona wouldn't want to keep him, which would be even more ridiculous.
If Messi ever slouches out of Barcelona claiming he was unloved and they didn't value him or want to keep him, I will treat it with equally short thrift, rest assured.
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