Rio said last week that the reason why he's not on the Australia tour is because a family member is unwell. Bruno said the other day that he spoke to Ronaldo but only to ask about his family. Who knows what's going on, it could be an excuse to find Mendes time to get him a move away but it could be a real issue for all we know.
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It's the usual "we would be bottom side of table without Ronaldo goals" bollocks.
Some people have such simplistic view of things, it's amazing.
Were you in cryosleep last season? Not just you but a lot of posters here... did you all forget what a cluster feck it was?
Didn't Rio also allude to Ronaldo being unhappy over United's transfer business?
It's interesting to see that view laughed it with regards to Ronaldo, while the De Gea thread last season was full of "we'd be bottom half with De Gea" type posts which seemed commonly agreed with.It's the usual "we would be bottom side of table without Ronaldo goals" bollocks.
Some people have such simplistic view of things, it's amazing.
Both shite viewpoints if you ask me but there you go.
I wish I was in hibernation, but sadly, no, I did see it. Absolutely nobody's contribution deserves being called "phenomenal".
That is just rubbish.
The season before we did not have Ronaldo, we scored more goals...
This view of Ronaldo carrying us is quite boring, anyone who understands football knows this is pure rubbish.
Its not how football works, without him, we play a different style and maybe score more goals.
It's the usual "we would be bottom side of table without Ronaldo goals" bollocks.
Some people have such simplistic view of things, it's amazing.
As bad as Ole was, sacrificing fluidity for the sake of feeding a 37 year old, even if that man is Ronaldo will obviously result in him having to carry the team. Looking at us now in pre-season everyone is trying to create for each other. There's no one player demanding the ball.
Didn’t he force his way out of Juve, too? (I didn’t follow that ’saga’)
Ronaldo has never had to toe the line since he became a ballon d‘or player, and even before that he was given allowances and whatnot because of his talent. We’ve not seen such an extreme before because in the past, he’d have not even reached an open market before being snatched up. It’s just that now nobody has a desire to pay the wage and take the risks on the player he is in his near-retirement years.
Yes, both views are kinda shite, but it makes a bit more sense for GK because he prevented a lot of goals that would directly lead to lost points, for striker, you have to take context into it, different players would score goals instead of him, we would have different approach to some games etc.
But yeah, both are overdramatic views.
There are many variables contributing to our shite season, it was not just down to Ronaldo, that's the boring opinion.
Presumably we’d still have to pay him if we did that? So why bother?
Well there is a school of thought that it only started to be a cluster feck after Ronaldo joined.
I’m not entirely convinced that it was just down to that, but it does seem to be a likely contributor.
Yeah he was likely one of the contributors to the issue, but was it his problem, or the other players not being able to get to his level?
It seemed like from the start many players form was off, this started at the end of the previous season actually. And they never regained their form, it got worse. It was down to Ole/Rangnick to bring them back and they failed. I do not subscribe to the thought that Ronaldo is the sole reason for our poor season.
And anyone who understands football knows that no single player can singularly cause the destruction of any entire team. If Ronaldo was the biggest problem from last season and we finished 2nd without him the season before, then surely we only need 1-2 additions then to be a good team again? Not 7-8 players like most people think or even rangnick thought. Clearly most of our players aren’t that great which contributed to us finishing where we did.
Fair enough. Nice answer.
It doesn't though because, similar to a striker, it does not account for the variables of their game. So if the question is would a different goalkeeper have made that save, it doesn't factor in the possibility that a different goalkeeper could prevented the opportunity in the first place - particularly given our goalkeeper offered no chance prevention whatsoever last season, by being the worst goalkeeper in the league at dealing with balls into the box and sweeping.
The striker angle might be that, well the centre forward was starved of chances falling to him in a certain game and backed up by a stat showing they only had 2 shots, whereas another striker may well have pressed defenders into errors or linked up better with the other attackers and therefore had 5 opportunities.
I think we're in agreement overall that both points themselves are ridiculous, football is too fluid of a game to say "change x and the result would be the same".
Don’t worry boys! The trust worthy Portuguese outlets have emphasized the fact that 9 Bayern players have started following Ronaldo, stay tuned !
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I love Rio but you can't trust him on Ronaldo related issues. He is too emotional invested.
Someone should ask Rio this... Why is every big club with a serious manager rejecting Ronaldo ?
His “level” varied tremendously over the season. Brilliant at times, particularly after we were out of the cups and he was only playing once a week. But really poor for a while before that.
Agreed.
People keep saying it was a mistake bringing him back must've been expecting Cavani to rip open his shirt to reveal an S underneath to come save us after losing you know who in the middle of the season..
The thing is we aren't as good as the 2nd place finish, we only finished second that season because of Liverpools injuries and Lampard at Chelsea for half a season. However, we were better than we were under Ronaldo. Now in terms of the additions, with Lingard, Pogba, Matic, Mata all leaving add those replacements to the 1-2 additions it is close to the number most people are talking about.
Unless you think we shouldn't replace those players ?
Oh come on, nobody believes that at this point.
Yeah, the same Cavani who was living it up "injured", not playing and taking the right piss out of our club but gets a free pass for some reason...?
One good thing about him was I remember he out-paced Martial last season for a loose ball
Yeah we'd have been better off without Ronaldo. If he isn’t on tour for legitimate, family reasons that’s perfectly agreeable.
If he’s trying instead to push for a move then obviously needs addressing.
the club the knows the answer to this and I’ll trust them (ETH) to act accordingly.
All the media coverage on offer provides us nothing but speculation and can be ignored
If he’s trying instead to push for a move then obviously needs addressing.
the club the knows the answer to this and I’ll trust them (ETH) to act accordingly.
All the media coverage on offer provides us nothing but speculation and can be ignored
a lot of you are forgetting that without ronaldo’s goals last season, hitler would have won the war.
He did certainly not carry us. We were a much worse team with him in the team, every player arround him regressed.
Exactly
The players were regressing towards the end of the previous season, I suppose that was Ronaldo's fault too?
You still believe that?
Ah man, don't waste your breath. You're correct of course but this is an argument that is impossible to win.
I can tell you haven't seriously thought about how the modern game is played.
You number one 'chance creator' in the modern game is the teams ability to cohesively press and win back the ball higher-up the field. This required zero technical skill. It is primarily a function of your physical abilities and organisation at a team.
Your second biggest 'chance creator' in a high functioning football team is running to create space for others. Liverpool are the masters at this. A lot of this is unrewarded running but gives an opportunity for someone else to score in your team.
On both these metrics Ronaldo is in the bottom 10% of premier league players. He is 37 turning 38. It is OK to say that he no longer has the physical attributes to play in a high functioning premier league team.
though with him now holed up in his portuguese bunker i think it’s clear that you either score the goals enough to stop hitler or eventually become hitler yourself.
I don't know if it's true or not, at the same time you don't know whether he's just pieing us off to leave the club.You still believe that?
The only people that likely know is the club and Ronaldo.
Invalid. Choosing a small period of time to make your assumption? How about the 2 years before his arrival?
Have I said that Ronaldo is the reason we were dysfunctional? Wanting to put words in my mouth it seems.
You dont have to be in the club or in Ronaldo's house to know the details. Just use your logic and the information from the press and then you can make a very good understanding of the case.
Keep moving the goalposts why don't you
lets go back 10 yearsThere's information from the press and the club about a personal issue, but sure choose to ignore it to fit your own agenda.
When is the right time to start writing about him in past tense?
To be fair, very few posters on here do that.
It's mainly a debate over whether he was an overall positive - or not. It's just that the debate has gotten extremely polarized and exaggerated - as per usual.
If you - actually - believe that Ronaldo cost Ole his job and/or that we had a team ready to challenge, but that Ronaldo fecked it up for us...and so forth, then you weren't paying attention to what happened on the pitch in the season before. We weren't the 2nd best team in the league in terms of potential - more like 4th at best. And many people did see this.
However, we did regress as a team in ways that you can attribute to some extent to Ronaldo and the way he functioned in the team - that some people just flat out refuse to entertain this idea is part of the reason why the debate becomes so ridiculously polarized.
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