More than other big clubs you reckon?
Cristiano Ronaldo and Harry Maguire most abused players on Twitter
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More than other big clubs you reckon?
Highlighting areas were a footballer can improve or even saying a player isn't up to the required level isn't a bad thing but using bad words its just football and this guys even the least skilled United player is better at football than most people at anything should be remembered.
I think the toxicity started during the Mourinho era, United wasn't this way prior, it was a club with a largely patient fan base who saw things from the long term perspective, there was a lot of bad blood during the Mourinho era which eventually became Mou vs Players so fans picked sides after Mourinho was sacked it became Ole inners vs Outers.
Inners mainly those who sided players during Mou tenure, outers felt Ole was Glazers stooge and wanted most of the squad gone. Erik unites the fan base to an extent but a lot still want players gone.
We should just go back to supporting the club as this toxicity wouldn't help Erik succeed.
I think the toxicity started during the Mourinho era, United wasn't this way prior, it was a club with a largely patient fan base who saw things from the long term perspective, there was a lot of bad blood during the Mourinho era which eventually became Mou vs Players so fans picked sides after Mourinho was sacked it became Ole inners vs Outers.
Inners mainly those who sided players during Mou tenure, outers felt Ole was Glazers stooge and wanted most of the squad gone. Erik unites the fan base to an extent but a lot still want players gone.
We should just go back to supporting the club as this toxicity wouldn't help Erik succeed.
Not to mention their DMs, it's no surprise they all have people doing their social media for them.
Dismissing our own fanbase flaws and toxicity is what gets us to this point imo.
Yes I do think it's laughable. Obviously it's not all United fans and I didn't see anyone suggest it was. I don't think it's even up for debate. It's like the not all men thing. It's a bit ridiculous and can deflect from the issue itself. Obviously there are United fans involved and that's not really up for debate either. Maguire got boo'ed by our own fans in Australia, for example.
Damn right. I wouldn't deal with that shit of I could pay someone else who's not going to take it personally to deal with it.
How is the threshold met or managed though?
During our 5-0 defeat to Liverpool if I described Harry Maguire as a ‘shit cnut’ for his performance. Is that personal ? It’s not directed at him either because it’s on here.
Sometimes language used doesn’t necessarily equate to a person trying to be abusive, that’s how they talk. Doing the job you do I think you can relate. I know I throw around explicit wording with our players when they play like a bunch of toss bags and I’d find it absurd if I was banned or warned for it.
It’s tricky of course but I guess it’s the repeat hate some players get on here which stands out.
I’m sure you’ll agree there’s a difference?
The players performance threads are a good starting point but it is about time the match day thread was tidied up as some of the stuff posted is awful.
No shit.
Certainly the online fans I’d say so
Got to admire the likes of Ronaldo, Lebron, Mayweather et al ... Imagine if your work was there for everyone one to see - every line of computer code that you're writing or wrote, every financial model you're building or built - and it is being critically assessed and publicly debated by millions of people, most whom are no where as good as you. Imagine if they debate this while you're working, even before your deliverable is finished. And imagine if most of them have a negative opinion of you - maybe you are perceived as arrogant - and that influences their thinking.
Ronaldo is obviously paid well but that still doesn't hide the human element in all of this.
Ronaldo is obviously paid well but that still doesn't hide the human element in all of this.
Toxicity surrounding United is painful atm. It seems to have got even worse this summer, despite promising signs in pre season, getting rid of some misfits, hiring a genuinely top class managers, a handful of signings already and a couple more imminent, I don't quite get why its got so bad. Have some optimism for Christ sake, or at least don't turn your cynicism into abuse and whiny self indulgent rants.
The internet really has created a avenue for the weak coward to act all tough.
I think anyone signing up to anything online should have their details confirmed first and you are only allowed to use your real name instead of a nickname.
That would stop most of this in a heartbeat.
I think anyone signing up to anything online should have their details confirmed first and you are only allowed to use your real name instead of a nickname.
That would stop most of this in a heartbeat.
Feel a bigger story here is we have 8 of the top 10 (well 2 have recently left but still)
I think apart of being in the public eye (being that they are extra-ordinary in their fields of professions) is that they become somewhat insensitive to what many say. It's either that or they use the negative energy as a motivation to push and achieve more.
I think with most things people do in life pressure is a requirement to reach an optimum level of something. No different to the muscle it must be destroyed / broken down in order to be rebuilt stronger. Grapes goes through fermentation to create wine this methodology is cultivated within nature and my belief is that these athletes and professionals have learnt to adapt turning the negative into the positive.
The biggest criticism for me is not the fans per say because it's impossible to change the opinion of others but rather the social media sites that give people a platform to facilitate hate. There needs to be tighter measures and perhaps even legislative changes so that people who intend to be abusive have harsher even severe (jail) penalties for their contributions.
The combination of being the biggest/most supported club and having our worst ever PL season explains that.
I swear I've seen this exact set of sentences on Instagram. Are you an influencer, life-coach or motivation guru on the Internet?
It's a sad behavior abusing players on various social media. But in general it's just mad how shitty the internet people are - not just towards players and other celebrities.
Not that surprising. Maguire has been the most abused on here by far.
Maguire being that high shows the algorithims at work. Go on football tik-tok and there are a ton of repeated Maguire memes, people getting popularity by repeating the same stuff as everyone else creating the group think that leads to nonsense like this.
I have my issues with Maguire the player, but he is not shit, and there is nothing paticularily unlikeable about his personality.
People are awful twats at times.
I have my issues with Maguire the player, but he is not shit, and there is nothing paticularily unlikeable about his personality.
People are awful twats at times.
I didn't say United fans aren't doing any of the abusing. What I'm implying is that there are a lot more non-United fans in the world than there are United fans.
It’s a Catch 22 situation, the players get a lot of abuse so their confidence suffers and they get disillusioned with football and the club - which leads to worse performances - which leads to more abuse.
That’s why I hope everyone will give the team a fair chance this season under a new manager.
I swear I've seen this exact set of sentences on Instagram. Are you an influencer, life-coach or motivation guru on the Internet?
Motivation is perhaps the closest description certainly not an influencer
I'm not excusing it but, as others have pointed out, it's not a particular surprise that Ronaldo is number one. With the sheer level of international fame and idolatry that he's garnered, it's just inevitable that there's going to be a fair amount of vitriol that comes with that too.
The fact that Maguire is relatively close, though, is really quite something. Maguire's following on social media does not even begin to touch Ronaldo's; the sheer torrent of abuse that he faces must be extremely rough for him to get through. Having been a fan of his for a while now, I'll freely admit that it's a big part of why I'm so defensive of him in conversation. I'm so sick of fecking moronic social media accounts stirring what is essentially a bullying campaign against the guy because he had a bad season in a team full of players who all had bad seasons.
The fact that Maguire is relatively close, though, is really quite something. Maguire's following on social media does not even begin to touch Ronaldo's; the sheer torrent of abuse that he faces must be extremely rough for him to get through. Having been a fan of his for a while now, I'll freely admit that it's a big part of why I'm so defensive of him in conversation. I'm so sick of fecking moronic social media accounts stirring what is essentially a bullying campaign against the guy because he had a bad season in a team full of players who all had bad seasons.
Post of the year
If anyone's in any doubt about this then look at the last few weeks. We've gotten an awful lot of what we were asking for. The club has been restructured & we hired probably the best available manager out there. There are now genuine reasons to believe that the club are getting its act together.
Will our fans be patient and draw the line under what's happened? Of course not. Too many people have (consciously or otherwise) decided that they rather like abusing the club and they don't want to stop doing it.
Actually true, I don't follow any football related accounts on the social media, only redcafe. Still, there are tremendous amount of online abusers on this forum.
This place is embarrassing and many can’t act like “fans”. This news is truly embarrassing and a massive issue that will impact the club.
Wow. People really do love to hate man United (own fans included)
What on earth is Fred doing at 6th on that list?
Who doesn't like the Pastor?
Id say its all Kostov.
How are they defining abuse?
If it's as I suspect such as: "Maguire is terrible" or more likely "Maguire is abslute sh*t", then that is an opinion and not abuse if it isn't taken any further.
If it's as I suspect such as: "Maguire is terrible" or more likely "Maguire is abslute sh*t", then that is an opinion and not abuse if it isn't taken any further.
Maguire is shit is abuse. Maguire was shit today is not abuse.
Yeah it has gotten way over the top. It's just vitriol so apart from being vile at times it's not conducive to decent discussion.
If you're faltering to depression because you've put on a lot more weight than you wanted to carry (hopefully) you aren't going to get your mental boost from a diet plan and a personal trainer.
Obviously the two bear no relation, but it's the same mechanism at play. You don't win the abusive fans back with intentions, you need results.
So saying a player such as Maguire has no place in the team as he moves slower than a wardrobe and shouldn't be captain of the club would be considered 'belittling' and therefore, abuse?
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
It's hardly a compliment, even though it's probably only a 2/10 at most on the abusive post scale.
That's a lame argument, given it's being published on a public forum.
If you seriously walk around using the term 'shitc**t' in real life you might want to broaden your repertoire of insults.
If you are tweeting that at him, its absolutely abuse.
I see it at Chelsea players in replies to the most innocuous thing. " here's a pic of my dog" = "that's nice but get out of my club" (and the MY CLUB comment comes from someone you know has never been to a game).
Stop this online abuse of overseas fans
Not surprising. We're the biggest club in the PL, and had a terrible season. I don't think it's that our fans are more toxic than others. There are just more of our fans, and we were absolutely terrible all season. That isn't an excuse to send abuse, but it's hard to be surprised to see it being our lads that got the most abuse.