Yeah, but I have apologised.
Cristiano Ronaldo and Harry Maguire most abused players on Twitter
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I don't think anybody is suggesting it isn't any United fans, merely that it isn't all United fans.
There seems to be a desperation for some to equate the vile and often racist abuse with which twitter has become renowned for, to the clearly far milder (but still wrong*) abuse that we see for the most part on player and matchday threads in here.
20% of the 60k offensive tweets are directed at Ronaldo which I don't think correlates with the consensus on here. One of the two major peaks recorded in such tweets was on the day he signed for us last year which certainly doesn't correlate with the responses of posters on here at the time.
Twitter is a cesspit and some of the worst of it, is designed and disseminated by actors more sinister and sophisticated than your typical neckbeard neanderthal typing form his mothers basement. It's ok to discuss that and still think fan abuse of players is a problem that exists and needs to be dealt with.
* I shouldn't have to clarify that but it becomes too easy a target for lazy posters who don't want to engage in proper conversation otherwise.
Hated, adored but never ignored.
I'm sorry my laziness inconvenienced you but in my defence I was replying to someone eise.
That wasn't in any way directed at you. As should be clear from reading the thread and the sentence itself. It's the reason I added it as an appendage, rather than as part of my reply to your post.
Why is De Gea there? What did he do to warrant it?
The hate for Maguire is so strange. He's a normal bloke and really a solid professional. At most you could describe him as dull and his performances last season as poor, but I don't get how you can 'hate' him.
Wankers.What on earth is Fred doing at 6th on that list?
Who doesn't like the Pastor?
I jest. While there is a difference between caf abuse and twitter abuse I'm still not convinced a lot of twitter abusers are not United fans
From a Reddit post on the study:
- Abusive: The tweet threatens, insults, derogates, dehumanises, mocks or belittles a player. This can be implicit or explicit, and also includes attacks against their identity. We include use of slurs, negative stereotypes and excessive use of profanities.
- Critical: The tweet makes a substantive criticism of a player’s actions, either on their pitch or off. It includes critiquing their skills, their attitude and their values. Often, criticism is less aggressive and emotive.
- Positive: The tweet supports, praises or encourages the player. It includes expressing admiration for a player and their performance, and wishing them well.
- Neutral: The tweet does not fall into the other categories. It does not express a clear stance. neutral statements include unemotive factual statements and descriptions of events.
What differentiates an Abusive insult from a substantive Critical criticism?
Making a definitive statement on a player's character or ability, such as "[Player] is worthless/lazy/arrogant/selfish" is considered an Abusive insult.
Substantive Critical criticisms that convey a similar message could include phrases like "[Player] has been poor today" or "[Player] has appeared to lack effort today." The differentiation from an Abusive insult comes from the lack of a definitive statement about a player's overall character or ability.
How would you classify "player x is not good enough, please get rid"?.
How many times can someone say "[Player] has appeared to lack effort today", before it is no longer abuse to say "[Player] is lazy"?
A big part of the abuse of Maguire and Rashford I've seen is defensive action from Ronaldo fans. I've seen that exchange time and again on Twitter (also encouraged by the likes of Goldbridge) where if Ronaldo ever gets criticised legitimately those two will get the brunt of the 'whataboutery' that follows as the "English contigent that is always protected" (even though they clearly aren't protected, they're abused considerably as well).
Selfish, lazy and arrogant are not really what I'd consider abusive language.
I dont either. I also thought he had a good season for us season before last. I recall many being worried when he was injured for the Europa final
He had a very very poor season just gone, like just about everyone else. He probably gets more hate due to being captain and his price tag
Huh what? You think Maguire and Rashford received abuse, last season, because of being English (or reaction to abuse on non-English players) and not because they were actually playing like shit?
It’s disgusting and I hope the mods here lead by example and start punishing posters who carry this kind of thing on by posting here.
Matchday thread a prime example
why would opposition fans target Dave either? An awful lot of United fans simply do not like United players, lord knows why the bother supporting the club.
Yeah I hate it but you lot need to help shut it down and report it too. If mods just wade in it never goes down well. When I joined the caf first I really liked the way it was policed by the posters, albeit a bit wilder than it is now.
There is a very thin line between criticism and hate. No one knows these players personally. So most of the reactions you see on social media are based on performances on the pitch. Maguire is an 80M player and the team captain. So when he looks clueless, making silly mistakes, running into his own players, slipping on his ass, the reactions will be stronger, as compared to someone like Dalot doing it.
But the hatred became ridiculous when print and social media and meme generators decided to focus on Maguire's problems. Suddenly there was a big market (click on social media) for mocking Maguire.
People, even on this forum, downplay the media influence on the game. But media can make or break players easily. And they can influence referee decisions, FA decisions and a lot many parts of the game.
It measures abuse from August 2021 to January 2022.
In the first half of last season, Fred was directly responsible for giving away a number of goals. Not that it should have ever warranted abuse. But the first half of last season he was terrible.
It's only from about December 2021/January 2022 onwards that his form picked up. I'm sure the abuse died down significantly during that period.
The fact people have short memories explains both the overrating and the abuse that players seem to get.
It's so childish and pathetic. Imagine actually tweeting a footballer to give them stick... Weirdos
No I agree you can’t do it on your own. I’ve not read the forum rules in a while but perhaps highlighting this would be good before the new season?
Most people who persistently abuse players aren’t going to offer much to the Caf so will be no great loss.
Matchday thread is a highly reactive thread. If we start catching people based on their comments in matchday thread only, half of the forum will be on ban list.
I don't know if it will make mods life any easier if people keep reporting. There will be hundreds of them on every matchday.
I saw it happen several times in the comments on social media on Ronaldo posts, there was a weird culture war type thing going on. Not the only reason they got abuse (they played shit) but Ronaldo gets by far and away the most attention as one of the most followed people in the world and they got dragged into that debate as United failed.
Fully agree, it got to stupid levels last season. I'll bring it up with the competent mods.
I think you can criticise players without being personal and abusive though?
If people can’t do that then that’s on them really
If someone is gonna blame United's last season performance on Ronaldo, while giving Maguire and Rashford a free pass, I would also disagree. And that would have nothing to do with players nationality.
That's assuming all that abuse is coming from United fans, which I very much doubt. You wouldn't believe the number of 'football fans' who make a job out of hating everything United, and our players. We spent 80 million on Maguire, and they laughed, so of course they're going to come for him when he underperforms, and lots of them don't even support United. You only have to look at how many likes twitter sites like TrollFootball get when they post anti-United stuff, and peep their comments to see fans from other clubs piling on.
I agree. Let me give you an example I remember. A good amount of posters used to call Lukaku a feckin donkey. I would have considered that as personal and abusive. But apparently, it was well acceptable on this forum.
Not all United Fans??? Oh ffs
What is the purpose of this post? Why not attempt to engage in conversation?
40% of all abusive tweets concerning PL footballers in that time period were levelled at Ronaldo, Maguire and Rashford. This in a year where Ronaldo signed for United after coming close to signing for City, and just after a major international tournament where we saw Rashford, Maguire and other lads on the end of shocking abuse from England fans and other elements.
You think it's laughable to suggest not all of those tweets were sent by United fans? Why is it so important to you that we insist all of it is United fans? Do you feel that by acknowledging that United are a club that invoke strong responses from rival fans or that Twitter has a well documented and serious problem with bots and sinister external influencers, we are somehow suggesting that United fans who abuse players are not also wrong and worthy of attention as well?
I've never used Twitter and reading this confirms Im not missing out on anything seems like an absolute cesspit
This documentation and highlighting of internet trolls does more harm than good I feel.
Let’s face it, a big portion of our fanbase are wankers
Biggest club
Almost the entirety of our social media fan base are wankers. Also they come from all shapes and sizes and countries and colours so its just just one particular demographic.