Really sad news - one of those who would have properly excelled in the modern formats, and did a pretty good job of it back then. RIP
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Very sad, RIP.
Andrew Symonds, Shane Warne, Dean Jones and Rod Marsh so close together
So sad. RIP.
Sad one. Was a class player. Rip
RIP. Another terrible loss.
He’d have been an absolute mega star if he was about ten years later. Going for huge money in the franchises, such a destructive player, absolutely loved watching him.
There were some guys who just seemed formidable when on the pitch and he was one of them. An absolute monster of a player. So sad.
Super player, superb human being from what many of his peers have said. RIP big man.
Yeah he was Pollard before Pollard wasn't he. Imagine him batting 6 in the IPL now.
Mahmood out for the season. What is going on with England bowlers?
Surely it's time someone took a look at the strength, conditioning and preparation. Our bowlers are more injury-prone now than they were in the days of six pints and a curry before a game.
This should be as big a priority as the head coach positions. We can't win tests without bowlers.
Surely it's time someone took a look at the strength, conditioning and preparation. Our bowlers are more injury-prone now than they were in the days of six pints and a curry before a game.
This should be as big a priority as the head coach positions. We can't win tests without bowlers.
Fantastic news as ECB Chief Executive Tim Harrison announces he is stepping down next month.
Could have had a fantastic legacy following World Cup victories for both the men and women, however I feel it's been tarnished by the bullying push through of the Hundred and the absolute disdain it shows to the County game.
I can't see that Clare Connor will become a permanent replacement however I hope they find someone that will admit the Hundred was a mistake and just buries it.
Could have had a fantastic legacy following World Cup victories for both the men and women, however I feel it's been tarnished by the bullying push through of the Hundred and the absolute disdain it shows to the County game.
I can't see that Clare Connor will become a permanent replacement however I hope they find someone that will admit the Hundred was a mistake and just buries it.
It’s difficult to sort as it’s a fast bowler thing. It’s a very unnatural thing so injuries are inevitable. Pat Cummins had pretty much the same injury as Saq/Olly Stone do, so I’m not really sure I’d have england mismanaging players as a specific reason
The larger amount of bowling now is probably totally offsetting the professionalism change.
So you think they’re going to get rid of something that did, based on a small sample size, worked?
There’s tweaks that need to be made but the Hundred is here to stay, you better get used to it.
Aside from that, the Hundred is nowhere near the thing that damages his legacy. His disgraceful handling of Azeem Rafiq/Yorkshire is, as it should be.
Everyone needs to copy what Jimmy does.
I'm hoping they will, yes.
Anything can work on a small sample size based on the fact that A) it was a new format and B) they gave away half the tickets for free.
I know of very few cricket fans who think we need another format when the Test team is on its backside and we have a World Cup to defend.
The reasons for bringing in a competition were obvious - the T20 was growing in popularity year after year and the counties were reaping all the rewards.
So the ECB needed to come up with something that they could control and milk.
Not only did they try to fix something that wasn't broken, they tried to fix something that was getting stronger and stronger - pure greed.
And any county that doesn't play at a Test ground is now just treated like a leper of the sport.
As he was at the forefront of it all I'm delighted he's going.
Yes the situation with Yorkshire and Rafiq will rightly overshadow it but he's still wasted an absolute ton of money on something that wasn't required - the IPL and Big Bash didn't see the need to take 20 balls off each innings, and have been hugely successful, so why did England?
Now Archer ruled out for the summer. He has a stress fracture of the back - same as all the other bowlers.
Only reinforces my point about the way we're treating our bowlers. A fundamental rethink is clearly required and whoever's in charge of strength, conditioning and preparation must go.
EDIT: Bowling coach needs to be changed too. This must be an issue with the actions.
EDIT 2: Hopefully this doesn't sound like a rant! Just feel like this is becoming a joke now. None of these bowlers has played a huge amount of test cricket, simply because they get injured before they can play! So whatever stress they're putting on their backs is happening when they're rehabbing or in England training camps. We need to fix this or we aren't going to win any matches (in red or white-ball).
Only reinforces my point about the way we're treating our bowlers. A fundamental rethink is clearly required and whoever's in charge of strength, conditioning and preparation must go.
EDIT: Bowling coach needs to be changed too. This must be an issue with the actions.
EDIT 2: Hopefully this doesn't sound like a rant! Just feel like this is becoming a joke now. None of these bowlers has played a huge amount of test cricket, simply because they get injured before they can play! So whatever stress they're putting on their backs is happening when they're rehabbing or in England training camps. We need to fix this or we aren't going to win any matches (in red or white-ball).
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Also an element of being overplayed? Seems these days that the top players are on the go in multiple leagues and multiple formats. No time for proper rest and recovery
Yeah maybe... But a lot of these guys are hardly playing though.
Pietersen now weighing in on the England bowler injuries, referring specifically to Archer.
"His stress fracture to the back follows a pattern of these injuries being sustained by England bowlers. I do think that the number of sports scientists can complicate things far too much. When I was playing, fast bowlers used to bowl a lot of overs in the nets and got bowling fit."
"His stress fracture to the back follows a pattern of these injuries being sustained by England bowlers. I do think that the number of sports scientists can complicate things far too much. When I was playing, fast bowlers used to bowl a lot of overs in the nets and got bowling fit."
Isn't Archer's injury a reoccurrence of the back injury he got before he even came to England?
I think it's something that happens to all fast bowlers, bodies aren't built to cope with that workload. It's just unfortunate for England that pretty much all of those who are 90mph+ are injured at the same time.
I think it's something that happens to all fast bowlers, bodies aren't built to cope with that workload. It's just unfortunate for England that pretty much all of those who are 90mph+ are injured at the same time.
I do love this argument. Like most there's an element of logic to it that's worth digging into (which they will be doing), but the insinuation injuries started from 2010 onwards is farcical
KP is a pratt anyway. On pretty much everything.
It seems more than unfortunate given that we've lost five bowlers at the same time, all to similar injuries. Worth an investigation at the very least
So many Sports Science specialists and yet so many injuries. I'm sure the varied travelling and schedule also doesn't help, but I think time to get back to more basics.
There was a link between Batsman bulking up with top heavy weight training and their averages going down.
There was a link between Batsman bulking up with top heavy weight training and their averages going down.
Note that everyone at the ECB has quit recently. Who can head this investigation.
Fantastic chase by our boys here. Miller continuing his IPL form. RvD also doing well.
SA smash India.
Miller in fantastic form
Miller in fantastic form
Didn't think we would be able to chase it down tbh. Watch a performance, Miller carrying he's IPL form into this one. Van de Dussen came good in the end as well. Stoked!!
Brilliant win for SA. Love watching RVD. Shame he didn't fire in the IPL. But he is a proper batter
Feck.
Kane Williamson has been ruled out of the second test after testing positive for COVID. Tom Latham steps in. Guess Nicholls will be back for the black caps and CdG is also out injured, so Hamish Rutherford has been called up.
Get well soon, Kane.
Kane Williamson has been ruled out of the second test after testing positive for COVID. Tom Latham steps in. Guess Nicholls will be back for the black caps and CdG is also out injured, so Hamish Rutherford has been called up.
Get well soon, Kane.
Miller Time is back for the proteas
Fabulous player.
Urgh last 2 overs went pear shape there. One would think we can chase it but this surface looks tricky. No De Kock doesn't fill me with confidence either, but let's goooo!
Great chase, was a bit nervy after 9 overs, but Klaasen really stepped up big time. Excellent knock from him.
This is my problem though, we so often have good form going into a world cup year then have the obligatory choke.
This is my problem though, we so often have good form going into a world cup year then have the obligatory choke.
The feck is this shit? Cricket is becoming a full-blown circus.
The feck is this shit? Cricket is becoming a full-blown circus.
I like it! Sounds like one of the invent a games made up in the Cafe.
The feck is this shit? Cricket is becoming a full-blown circus.
Wtf?!
The Ireland-NZ series has been fun, the Irish really unlucky again.
Lancashire doing well in the T20 Blast Semi Final.