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zing said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...sation-r-ashwin-running-non-strikers-backing-

I hope Ashwin tells him to feck off

It really is a bit rich of Ponting to be talking about the spirit of the game - especially when Ashwin is doing nothing wrong
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Not a huge fan of ashwin but he did no wrong what he did to Butler. Found it odd how he eas criticized the way he was. If the moralist have so much problem then change the fecking rule. I hope just for fun ashwin does that again so that it can piss people. And knowing how ashwin operates won't be surprised if he does something like that again.
 
Just last night he was commentating on the MI-KKR match with his usual gusto. And less than 24 hours later he's gone. Surreal.
 
Decent series between Zimbabwe & Pakistan. Today’s match going to a super-over which Zimbabwe ended up winning.
 
Any PSL watchers here? Watched Karachi win tonight, Babar Azam is such a talent, does he now belong in the same league as the current top 4 batsmen cricketing media has dubbed (Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root)? He replaces Root on current form the past 2 years for me
 
Watching Ind vs Aus and its so refreshing to see crowd in a sports event. Feels like ages ago.
 
bleedred said:
Watching Ind vs Aus and its so refreshing to see crowd in a sports event. Feels like ages ago.
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I think Australia has the highest sports attendance post covid nowdays.

Very poor pitch though, kinda bland for a ODI, And is understandable but sad to see Kohli only be here for some of the tour.
 
Samid said:
Such an odd knock from Kohli. Very out of character.
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Been out of character for quite some time now. Sure there's good knocks every now and then, but its not the norm as it used to be. He appears confused with his playing style.
 
Kind of crazy how none of Indian top batsmen right now can even play the role of a part time bowler. There was a time when Sachin was a fifth bowler option for us in ODIs, bowling a minimum of 5 overs every game and at times even winning games for us by bowling in test matches. Sehwag was always a proper spin option in ODIs and Ganguly often bowled first change in ODIs. Not to mention likes of Yuvi or even Kaif who bowled a bit. Now though none of the top batsmen who used to bowl a bit earlier like Sharma and Kohli have cultivated their bowling at all. Cascading impact of same is that the up and coming batsmen like Gill, Shaw do not bowl at all as well.
Same problem is prevalent on the bowling end where we have a vast collection of bowlers who are walking wickets and even players like Bhuvi or Shami who used to be decent at batting/hitting, have regressed badly.
 
crappycraperson said:
Kind of crazy how none of Indian top batsmen right now can even play the role of a part time bowler. There was a time when Sachin was a fifth bowler option for us in ODIs, bowling a minimum of 5 overs every game and at times even winning games for us by bowling in test matches. Sehwag was always a proper spin option in ODIs and Ganguly often bowled first change in ODIs. Not to mention likes of Yuvi or even Kaif who bowled a bit. Now though none of the top batsmen who used to bowl a bit earlier like Sharma and Kohli have cultivated their bowling at all. Cascading impact of same is that the up and coming batsmen like Gill, Shaw do not bowl at all as well.
Same problem is prevalent on the bowling end where we have a vast collection of bowlers who are walking wickets and even players like Bhuvi or Shami who used to be decent at batting/hitting, have regressed badly.
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It’s a thing all around the world isn’t it? There are very few specialist batsmen who bowl decently these days. Root is the only one who comes to mind..

watching England vs SA. The only batsmen who bowl are the all rounders.

Labuschagne is another. Bowls very well for a part timer.
 
zing said:
It’s a thing all around the world isn’t it? There are very few specialist batsmen who bowl decently these days. Root is the only one who comes to mind..

watching England vs SA. The only batsmen who bowl are the all rounders.

Labuschagne is another. Bowls very well for a part timer.
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Depends how you look at it. If Finch was in Indian team I think he would be bowling couple of overs every match. Smith not continuing to bowl is also definitely part of the same trend. Otherwise Oz have good all all rounders or batsmen who bowl in Maxwell, Stoinis, Marsh. Even their second tier is good with Henriques and Cameron. Then on bowling front Cummins and Coulter Nile more or less qualifies as a bowling all rounder now with Sams as back up. Starc's batting has regressed but Abbott seems like a decent batsmen for a bowler too.
Looking at Eng team too, may be it is a worldwide issue. India's problem is exacerbated by even bowlers trending towards being pure specialists as said above.
 
Good chase from England, Bairstow with a very good knock.
 
Bairstow is just incredible. Arguably the best limited overs batsman in the world but still so underrated. This England team is one finger spinner away from being favourites for the T20 world cup. At the moment it's a very open tournament
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Bairstow is just incredible. Arguably the best limited overs batsman in the world but still so underrated. This England team is one finger spinner away from being favourites for the T20 world cup. At the moment it's a very open tournament
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Agree - very underrated.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Bairstow is just incredible. Arguably the best limited overs batsman in the world but still so underrated. This England team is one finger spinner away from being favourites for the T20 world cup. At the moment it's a very open tournament
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Hopefully Moeen comes back into form. Looks like they're not going to consider Root even though he offers a good bowling option.

Sam Curran looks like a brilliant addition but Tom doesn't offer enough with the ball for me. Moeen would replace him in my XI.

Also not convinced about Roy. Would rather Bairstow opened and a more versatile batsman came in at 3/4.
 
crappycraperson said:
Kind of crazy how none of Indian top batsmen right now can even play the role of a part time bowler. There was a time when Sachin was a fifth bowler option for us in ODIs, bowling a minimum of 5 overs every game and at times even winning games for us by bowling in test matches. Sehwag was always a proper spin option in ODIs and Ganguly often bowled first change in ODIs. Not to mention likes of Yuvi or even Kaif who bowled a bit. Now though none of the top batsmen who used to bowl a bit earlier like Sharma and Kohli have cultivated their bowling at all. Cascading impact of same is that the up and coming batsmen like Gill, Shaw do not bowl at all as well.
Same problem is prevalent on the bowling end where we have a vast collection of bowlers who are walking wickets and even players like Bhuvi or Shami who used to be decent at batting/hitting, have regressed badly.
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Think bowling has just become a lot harder hasn't it. In the old days when the ball and wicket offered more assistance, you could throw the ball to a part-timer like Ganguly and they could fiddle out five or six overs. And an occasional off-spinner could hurl down a few darts and get away with six an over.

Now everything is in the batman's favour, and the cost of a poor over is much greater. Twenty years ago a poor over might cost 10, now it goes for 20. So you really need specialists.

Plus it seems everyone is a wicketkeeper these days!
 
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JohnnyKills said:
Think bowling has just become a lot harder hasn't it. In the old days when the ball and wicket offered more assistance, you could throw the ball to a part-timer like Ganguly and they could fiddle out five or six overs. And an occasional off-spinner could hurl down a few darts and get away with six an over.

Now everything is in the batman's favour, and the cost of a poor over is much greater. Twenty hours ago a poor over might cost 10, now it goes for 20. So you really need specialists.

Plus it seems everyone is a wicketkeeper these days!
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Very recently then.

Great knock from Bairstow yesterday batting 4. Really like that top 7, you would back them to chase down anything. Roy’s form is a bit of a worry though, but he’s not somebody I would drop because of what he can do.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Think bowling has just become a lot harder hasn't it. In the old days when the ball and wicket offered more assistance, you could throw the ball to a part-timer like Ganguly and they could fiddle out five or six overs. And an occasional off-spinner could hurl down a few darts and get away with six an over.

Now everything is in the batman's favour, and the cost of a poor over is much greater. Twenty years ago a poor over might cost 10, now it goes for 20. So you really need specialists.

Plus it seems everyone is a wicketkeeper these days!
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I wonder if it has something to do with fitness. With 3 formats and all these leagues, batsmen just play a lot more. It doesn't make sense to dabble in part time bowling because selection isn't contingent on it -- you'd rather focus on staying fit.
 
Just seen the highlights of the first England/SA T20. Bairstow is proper good in the shorter formats, enjoyed some of the scoring areas he opened up. England need to find another spinner, a new ball bowler (Woakes? Willey?) and I'm still not sure about Malan even though his record is good, takes up too many balls in the powerplay. Bit worried about Roy too, feels like he has not had a good knock in a while.
 
I disagree that bowling has become much harder than a decade back . Lots of part timers like Maxwell,Root etc are still able to give a few overs , heck even India had Jadhav bowling a lot of overs till like 2-3 years back. It's just weird how India has somehow ended with all these batsmen who don't bowl , some of them actually used to but clearly don't work on it . It's also a question mark on the captain & selectors though for not keeping all bases covered in the selection.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I disagree that bowling has become much harder than a decade back . Lots of part timers like Maxwell,Root etc are still able to give a few overs , heck even India had Jadhav bowling a lot of overs till like 2-3 years back. It's just weird how India has somehow ended with all these batsmen who don't bowl , some of them actually used to but clearly don't work on it . It's also a question mark on the captain & selectors though for not keeping all bases covered in the selection.
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Only three examples there though Ayush... Can you think of any others? I'm struggling!
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Just seen the highlights of the first England/SA T20. Bairstow is proper good in the shorter formats, enjoyed some of the scoring areas he opened up. England need to find another spinner, a new ball bowler (Woakes? Willey?) and I'm still not sure about Malan even though his record is good, takes up too many balls in the powerplay. Bit worried about Roy too, feels like he has not had a good knock in a while.
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Seems like Wood and Mahmood are ahead of Woakes and Wood, because they offer more pace.

Can't see us finding another spinner between now and the WT20 to be honest, it has to be a spinner who can bat and there aren't many around. Maybe Rawlins at Sussex but that's about it. Let's hope Moeen comes back!

Agree on Malan and Roy, not sure either will be in the team when the WC starts.
 
How come Hardik Pandya doesn’t bowl anymore? Used to be quite handy for MI but didn’t bowl a single delivery at the IPL.
 
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