Well yes he was for a couple of seasons...before the injuries kicked in. So how do we work this then? Is this Bishop the young tearaway bowler or the one who sadly became just another bowler after his injuries?
Cricket draft- Semi Final - Interval vs Aldo
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Well yes he was for a couple of seasons...before the injuries kicked in. So how do we work this then? Is this Bishop the young tearaway bowler or the one who sadly became just another bowler after his injuries?
Dunno. It's up to you. For me consistency and performing over an extended period of time are very important. I also don't think injuries are always doing to luck Sportmen/women have different levels of fitness and endurance.
Well yes consistency over long period of time is the hallmark of a great. He had great potential but he didn't have a great career.
Aldo's batting is better. IL has got Viv, but Aldo has Sachin, Pointing and Gavasker. All better than Aldo's second best batsman. We'll say three top top top players to IL's one.
Akram, Lille, Donald and Kumble is a world class attack. Richards can bowl part time spin too. Dilshan honestly is a better player than Jayasuriya. I've never liked Jayasuriya to be honest. Maybe that's my prejudice.
I'm not sure who Pointing is, but Ponting and Tendulkar shits all over Richards and Yousuf. IVA can match anyone in the game, but Yousuf is not as classy as the other name. Greig and Crowe are pretty much on par, and so are Lehmann and Malik. Gavaskar is a better player than Gooch, but Gooch is no slouch. The bowling attack is just something else. Akram, Donald and Lille can all bowl flat out, build up pressure and Richards is a pretty handy off spinner and Dilshan can tweak his arm as well. To be fair, Tendulkar spun more than Warne in the sub continent, but overall, I'm going with Internal. (Yes Internal, you wolf cnut)
I'm not sure who Pointing is, but Ponting and Tendulkar shits all over Richards and Yousuf. IVA can match anyone in the game, but Yousuf is not as classy as the other name. Greig and Crowe are pretty much on par, and so are Lehmann and Malik. Gavaskar is a better player than Gooch, but Gooch is no slouch. The bowling attack is just something else. Akram, Donald and Lille can all bowl flat out, build up pressure and Richards is a pretty handy off spinner and Dilshan can tweak his arm as well. To be fair, Tendulkar spun more than Warne in the sub continent, but overall, I'm going with Internal. (Yes Internal, you wolf cnut)
It's pretty obvious I mean the bit where you say Dilshan is better than Jayasuriya
I don't like Ponting. That doesn't mean I think he is "better" than Jayawardene or Sangakarra.
Apologies to all participants I've been unable to take part, or vote. Just been too busy in real life.
Listen, I've said in the post that I think Dilshan is a better player than Jayasuriya, but it may also be because I don't like Jayasuriya and I may be prejudiced against Jayasuriya. What more do you want?
This is the stat comparison in tests from cricinfo.
Dilshan
overall
1999-2013
87 5492 193 40.98 16 39 4/10 43.87 0 88 0 -2.88overall
1991-2007
110 6973 340 40.07 14 98 5/34 34.34 2 78 0 5.72
Average is comparable with Dilshan edging it, and the bowling average is not that bad either, but considering they are openers, it hardly matters. I like how Dilshan plays as opposed to the savagery of Jayasuriya, but surely that's personal. How do you manage to authoritatively say no? Rating the batsmen is subjective. I've seen Jayasuriya when he was number 7, struggling to face Ravi Shastri and his mighty spin.
Tbf, he improved thereon. Thanks Fish. The voting is still on, Sultan. I get a sneaky feeling that you don't like these vote-offs. I've seen you post the same thing in the last 5 match offs. Thanks anyways.
Fair. But its the same thing but in my favour in bowling. Btw, how do you rate Gooch, Spoony. You must have extensively seen him play. My dad really really liked him and said that he would hold his bat for days against any opposition (my mom like Tony Greig more for some reason). If not for infighting, rebel tours and mental issues in the middle, he'd have amounted ot much more.
I don't think people heed how dangerous my bowling would be in swinging conditions. There are 2 matches out of five (Durban and Lords) where the batsmen are like to struggle massively against my bowlers who have all weapons in their armoury - Swing, pace, yorkers, reverse swing, slow balls the whole shabang. Plus, if I put Cairns in, my batting goes till 9 (Akram) at these grounds which sure makes up for the proposed lack of relative quality.
After you win these matches, you focus on drawing out the two tests which is doable.
I'm not denying that Aldo's batting is quality. I just think my batting is capable of posting 300-350 every inning. And given my bowling, it would be difficult for Aldo's team to do that consistently. I think I'd win this series 2-1 with Aldo probably taking Sydney.
And before people go underrating yousuf again, the man averages 56+ in that 4th place position and played in almost the same era as Ponting and Dravids etc. I personally rate him high but its evident that people don't, which is fine. But don't expect him to fold like Ajay fecking Jadeja. Exotic isn't always better. For his weakness, the guy scored 24 hundreds in 156 innings - a hundred every 6.5 innings. In comparision - Dravid 8.4 innings for every hundred, Sehwag 7.8 innings.
Yousuf is a damn good batsmen. Amongst the best middle order batsmen along with inzi that Pakistan has produced in the last 10-15 years.
Yousuf is a damn good batsmen. Amongst the best middle order batsmen along with inzi that Pakistan has produced in the last 10-15 years.
You should have taken Kallis to make this one sided Internal.
Yes. I should have had. Kallis + Kumble may have been a good option. But it was so tempting to take Akram. I got carried away. I'm a bit of a sucker that way
Anywho, this is my last attempt to show that my batting isn't the pits like most people believe. Again, the figures below may be misleading so please don't focus on the exact figures. Aldo's batting is relatively better and I have admitted to the same. I'm just trying to show that this batting side isn't bad enough that the advantage can't be turned by having 2 more superior bowlers in my team
Again, with the Internal. You make me sound gay, man
Also, how can you rate Lehmann properly when he has played only 27 tests with less than 2000 runs. I got panned in the last test draft because of this when I had Lehmann.
Hmm.
Yes. I should have had. Kallis + Kumble may have been a good option. But it was so tempting to take Akram. I got carried away. I'm a bit of a sucker that way
Anywho, this is my last attempt to show that my batting isn't the pits like most people believe. Again, the figures below may be misleading so please don't focus on the exact figures. Aldo's batting is relatively better and I have admitted to the same. I'm just trying to show that this batting side isn't bad enough that the advantage can't be turned by having 2 more superior bowlers in my team
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4 to 7. Still 8 hours till this one closes.
Still? I'm at office and images don't load by default
And yeah, given the general turn out, I think I've lost this.
Here you go
Here you go
Gracias. And as this image would indicate, I don't have as bad a batting order as people might think. Obviously worse off than Aldo but he has to face four quality bowlers.
Thanks, Ninja. Just when I thought I had a chance 
Its a pity more people from the cricket thread don't vote. @Fiskey, @The Best, @JulesWinnfield, @Wibble, @Diseaseoftheage
Its a pity more people from the cricket thread don't vote. @Fiskey, @The Best, @JulesWinnfield, @Wibble, @Diseaseoftheage
We can't blame them when the ones who participated in the drafts don't bother to vote. Specially as this is a cricket draft with a lot less interest. This is never a problem in footie drafts as firstly, it is on the home page and naturally viewed by a lot more people, then obviously this being a football related forum most people have interest in it and also know most players. Only time I think a football draft got votes around the same level as this one was the 50s one where a lot of players were a bit unknown.
Still I'd say 12 votes (not including ours) is a decent turnout given how the previous matches went.
Still I'd say 12 votes (not including ours) is a decent turnout given how the previous matches went.
Last time we had a better turnaround. Most matches got 15+ votes.
Is Kazi still interested?
Thank you, Spoony.
Just one more.
Just one more.
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What happens if it is a draw?
You're left as well, RI
As good as Aldo's batting is, I think ILs got the attack to deal with that over a 5 match series. Aldo's bowling's not average by a long shot and will give IL's batting a good go for their money but over a 5 match series but the 'gap' in batting is also not as big as some make it out to believe. In the end I really believe IL has a better chance of getting 20 wickets a test. But that's just my opinion...plus I'm a sucker for pace...Donald, Lillee and Akram
This is, in a nutshelll, my argument well put across by Stretch.
Here you go
Ad this inicates that my batting is not as bad as people believe. (Can Lehmann's averages be even considered?)
I've always said I'd much rather lose 20-0 than having a game like this where my hopes are kept up till the last minute and I end up losing by a vote or two. Had a same situation in the last football draft against Brwned and given the mood he was in during that game, that's probably the worst 24 hours I've spent on Redcafe
Why always me!
Why always me!
Nothing wrong with rallying for votes. Still one vote in it. 7-8
Ya of course nothing wrong in it but cliffhangers such as this take a toll on me, mentally. And losing is a lot more painful than it would be in a one sided game.
I have a feeling if IL had picked Kallis he would have won this. His bowling would have still counted as stronger and Gavaskar's the only advantage Aldo's batting would have had.
I've always said I'd much rather lose 20-0 than having a game like this where my hopes are kept up till the last minute and I end up losing by a vote or two. Had a same situation in the last football draft against Brwned and given the mood he was in during that game, that's probably the worst 24 hours I've spent on Redcafe
Why always me!
Bah! You're still winning. You cant complain like that until you go into a deficit of atleast two. Now concentrate, Aldo.
Chasing only 210 in the fourth innings, you were okay till 32/0. Then Donald is going to break a few toes. Then Lillee will clean up with a few away swingers.
Then Akram will do this albeit to Crowe.
Remember quality bowlers - FOUR of them will never give your batsmen any room to breathe. Even the greats have found it difficult.
If that's not enough, remember, it'll be humiliating when your last recognised batsman is taken out by none other than Tony Greig.
Akram's reverse swing, Kumble's flippers and Donald's yorkers will run through your lower order like it didn't exist.
He still might win.