cricket draft - semi final- Donaldo vs NM

Who will win over a 5 match test series

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NM said:
Crappy, Lara isn't as much as a match winner as you think. He also did play the first half of his career with better bowling than Sachin ever had. I know you have already voted, but if Lara was your deciding factor than :(

Also, Miandad and Chappell are getting underrated here. Maybe Gilchrist would have got me more votes...
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Don't know much about Chappell. Miandad definitely underrated. Every bit as good and a dogged winner. (Again, most opinions of players past formed by videos, discussion with uncles,grandfather, father and mom)
 
Interval Level said:
Don't know much about Chappell. Miandad definitely underrated. Every bit as good and a dogged winner. (Again, most opinions of players past formed by videos, discussion with uncles,grandfather, father and mom)
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Well I just lost your vote here - so it doesn't matter. Sorry.
 
Having second thoughts now. I might have underrated Chappell and the Pakistani batting duo.
 
crappycraperson said:
You can't do anything now :lol:
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amolbhatia100 said:
:lol: I know

Still leaning towards donaldo's team. It has more match winners in the batting line up. But it's closer than I initially thought.
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You can though - can't you? Just say you want to change your vote.

Who are said match winners in Donaldo's line up? The Lara myth has already been disproved if you read the thread mate.
 
Come on lads. Just think of that middle order - the style of Kallicharran, followed by the grit and strength of Chappell and Miandad, the power of Inzy and the ultimate matchwinner - Imran Khan. You get through that? Coney can bat (better average than Dujon, Hadlee and Vettorri) and Holding is no mug.

He is depending on Daniel fecking Vettorri to take spin wickets. MacGill isn't brilliant either - but Vettorri? Here are his averages below..

He averages less than 30 only in England, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe FFS.

He averages 178 in Pak, 40 in Aus, 44 in India, 37 at home in NZ, 63 in SA and 37 in the Windies.

in Australia​
1997-2011​
40.18​
in Bangladesh​
2004-2008​
12.44​
in England​
1999-2008​
29.88​
in India​
1999-2010​
44.77​
in New Zealand​
1997-2012​
37.11​
in Pakistan​
2002-2002​
178.00​
in South Africa​
2006-2007​
63.85​
in Sri Lanka​
1998-2009​
26.36​
in West Indies​
2002-2012​
37.88​
in Zimbabwe​
1997-2011​
25.34
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One thing I've taken away from this draft is that it's pointless picking a spinner at all unless it's one of Warne, Kumble or Murali. I've had the better spinner in both my games and it has counted for very little
 
I like the attacking duo of de silva and Lara coming right after "the wall" personally.
 
Significant underrating of spinners going on here. Explain this dichotomy to me. RI and me struggle to win with part time spinners saying Mushy etc would wreak havoc on turning tracks. But noone is willing to give a shot to any spinner bar the big 3. WHY?

I think Vettori and MacGill, whilst not impressive, are okay bowlers. They aren't going to particularly destroy teams but they'll provide an option.
 
Interval Level said:
Significant underrating of spinners going on here. Explain this dichotomy to me. RI and me struggle to win with part time spinners saying Mushy etc would wreak havoc on turning tracks. But noone is willing to give a shot to any spinner bar the big 3. WHY?

I think Vettori and MacGill, whilst not impressive, are okay bowlers. They aren't going to particularly destroy teams but they'll provide an option.
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I'm not saying they aren't an option. I'm saying Vettorri simply isn't a good spinner. Look at his averages that I posted!
 
Ya spinners have been critically underrated in this game.

World class bowlers like Herath were treated like a joke.

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KM said:
Ya spinners have been critically underrated in this game.

World class bowlers like Herath were treated like a joke.

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:lol:

But yeah it was the same last time. This time I introduced venues for this very reason. I guess you can't blame people too much since there is genuine shortage of class spinners compared to pacers. If only we had extended the draft till 60s and the Indian spin quartert would have provided more options.
 
KM said:
Ya spinners have been critically underrated in this game.

World class bowlers like Herath were treated like a joke.

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I was going to go after you before I saw the white text. :lol:
 
Think even Warne and Murali are not commanding the respect they ought to.
 
Openers not a lot in it, donaldo's 3/4 is stronger but nm lower middle order is equally impressive.. Bowling for both is on par, in the end went with nm due to the number of pakistani legends that he had ;) .
 
Imran has just given an inspiring team talk at lunch, and Holding and Garner have promised a barrage of pace and pain. If they aren't bounced out, Donaldo's boys will be done in with the yorkers.
 
so.. i'm off for the night.. hope i wake up to a win tomorrow.
 
Voted NM.

2 games in the subcontinent + 1 at SCG is a big plus for him with 2 spinners and Imran who are used to these conditions.
 
Yardley and MacGill against Hayden, Langer, Dravid, Lara, De Silva? Give me a break.

Players like Stewart, Anwar, Coney, McGill, Yardley are glaring in their lack of relative quality as compared to my team. Anwar and Stewart opening?? I'd be on to his middle order in minimal overs every game. You expect the 3 in the middle to bail them out every match?

Compare that with my batting. How the feck do you keep players like Hayden, Langer, Lara, Dravid, de Silva, Cronje, Dujon, Vettori, Hadlee down every match??

Roberts, Marshall, Hadlee and Dan would eat his batting alive. I'm just a little perplexed you can't see that.
 
Very stupid to underrate Anwar. His averages 45+ both home and away. He was a better batsman than de silva and Cronje for me. Not to mention in a different tier to Vettori, who may be a smart cricketer but very limited in terms of talent. In fact if not for Warne, Macgill would have definitely played a more crucial role for Oz and would have counted as a much better spinner than Vettori.

Oh and it's quite easy to keep Cronje down. ;). I find it quite perplexing how you keep thinking that Vettori is going trouble his batting line-up. For starters, he has 4 Pakistani's in there who have faced better spinners than Vettori in their nets.
 
Longevity, the ability to contain, bowling with little or no able back up, batting V/S MacGill being very talented

I wouldn't even say he's better. I'd put them on an even keel based on those facts. I just know that in this draft I'd pick Murali, Warne, Kumble, possibly Saqlain or Harbhajan(?) above Vettori.
 
Qadir going by the respect he still gets also qualifies as a better spinner than Vettori.
 
crappycraperson said:
Very stupid to underrate Anwar. His averages 45+ both home and away. He was a better batsman than de silva and Cronje for me. Not to mention in a different tier to Vettori, who may be a smart cricketer but very limited in terms of talent. In fact if not for Warne, Macgill would have definitely played a more crucial role for Oz and would have counted as a much better spinner than Vettori.

Oh and it's quite easy to keep Cronje down. ;). I find it quite perplexing how you keep thinking that Vettori is going trouble his batting line-up. For starters, he has 4 Pakistani's in there who have faced better spinners than Vettori in their nets.
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I'm not bigging Vettori up. In fact I'm trying to tell you how he provides balance to a ridiculously talented pace battery, which is capable of blowing his batting away. I don't think, even as talented as his frontline pace attack is, that he can do the same with the class I have.

Anwar, I don't agree with. I've watched him all his career, and while I'd pick him in a personal best ODI XI in a heartbeat, he was never as good in Tests.
 
crappycraperson said:
Qadir going by the respect he still gets also qualifies as a better spinner than Vettori.
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Never seen him apart from when he got tonked to the heavens by Sachin. Ive heard good things, but also that he was average as compared to the legendary spinners.
 
crappycraperson said:
Very stupid to underrate Anwar. He was a better batsman than de silva
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Have to vehemently disagree with you there. de Silva was brilliant in both formats and far better than Anwar was in Tests. Don't let averages fool you.

Anwar was a master in the ODI format, one of the finest players in the 90s, along with Sachin and Waugh.
 
I went for Donaldo because I think his batting is stronger and Hadlee is the most canny of the pace bowlers across the two teams. McGill was much better as a bowler than Vettori which counts for something on the wickets that are being played on but Donaldo's lineup could certainly withstand him. Holding and Garner v Marshall and Roberts is much of a muchness for me.
 
Archie Leach said:
I went for Donaldo because I think his batting is stronger and Hadlee is the most canny of the pace bowlers across the two teams. McGill was much better as a bowler than Vettori which counts for something on the wickets that are being played on but Donaldo's lineup could certainly withstand him. Holding and Garner v Marshall and Roberts is much of a muchness for me.
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Thanks for voting, Archie.
 
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