cricket draft - semi final- Donaldo vs NM

Who will win over a 5 match test series


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Hello and welcome to the first semi final of test cricket draft.

Please keep in mind that The voters are being asked to choose a team that will prevail over a five match series on these respective grounds.
  • Eden Gardens, Kolkatta ( Good for spin and batting)
  • Kingsmead, Durban (Good for pace bowling)
  • National Stadium, Karachi (Good for spin bowling)
  • Lords, London (Good for pace bowling and batting)
  • SCG, Sydney (Good for spin, pace and batting )
(The conditions these venues offer matter, not the exact place)

Team NM--------------------------------------------------Team Donaldo
S.Anwar----------------------------------------------------M.Hayden
A.Stewart(wk)--------------------------------------------- J.Langer
A.Kallicharran---------------------------------------------- R.Dravid
Greg Chappel-----------------------------------------------Brian Lara
J. Miandad------------------------------------------------- A. De Silva
Inzama-ul-Haq---------------------------------------------H.Cronje(c)
Imran Khan(c)----------------------------------------------Dujon(wk)
J.Coney(Plays at Lords,Durban,SCG)-----------------------D.Vettori
M.Holding-------------------------------------------------- R.Hadlee
J.Garner--------------------------------------------------- M.Marshall
S.Macgill-------------------------------------------------- A.Roberts

B.Yardley(Plays at subcontinent)
 
team and write up:
Saeed Anwar (LHB): Top class opener, and was absolutely brilliant to watch. He was a very good stroke player. His career was shorter than it should have been because he took time away from the game due to a family tragedy, and he wasn't the same player after it. Averaged 45.5, scored 4000 runs, made 11 hundreds @ a strike rate of 55.
Alec Stewart (RHB) (WK): Stewart is a solid opener who was especially good against the quicks. It is hard to judge his average – it drops when he keeps, and rises substantially when he opens. I’ll just leave his career stats here. Averaged 39.54, scored 8500 runs, made 15 hundreds @ a strike rate of 48.66
Alvin Kallicharran (LHB): Another little master. Standing at only 5 foot 5He was considered among the best in the world in the 70s, and was still in his prime when dropped due to him taking part in a rebel tour. His West Indies career was cut short when he took part in a rebel tour to South Africa. He continued playing club cricket though – and fared very well against his former teammates. Averaged 44.43 (in the 70s and 80s!), scored 4400 runs, and made 12 100s (No strike rate available)
Greg Chappell (RHB) (VC): One of the premier batsmen of the 70s and early 80s. He did not average below 45 against any opponent. He made a century in his first and final Tests and 22 more in between. However, the most outstanding batting of his career left no trace on the record-books, his 621 runs at 69 in five unauthorized World Series Cricket "SuperTests" in the Caribbean in 1979, off a West Indian attack of unprecedented hostility.Averaged 53.86 (in the 70s and 80s!), scored 7100 runs and made 24 100s (No strike rate available). Got 47 wickets with his part-time medium pace.
Javed Miandad (RHB): The best Pakistani batsmen ever. A dogged player who was also a match winner.Averaged 52.57, scored 8832 runs and made 23 hundreds, 43 fifties, 6 double centuries. (His average actually went down during the 90s when he overstayed his welcome).
Inzamam-ul-Haq (RHB): Inzy is one of my personal favorite players. He played from the early 90s thru 2007 – so he faced some very good bowling in the first 10 odd years of his career.. I don’t think I need to talk too much about him. I’ll only say that he has been promised free food for life if he doesn’t run any of his teammates out!Averaged 49.60, scored 8800 runs and made 25 100s @ a strike rate of 54.02
Imran Khan (RHB) (RMF) (Captain): I’m not going to say much – Probably the best all-rounder after Sobers. He will lead my team by example and inspire them to dominate with bat and ball – just like him. In his last 10 years of international cricket he played 51 Tests, averaging a sensational 50 with the bat and 19 with the ball.
Averaged 22.81, and took 362 wickets @ a strike rate of 53
Averaged 37.69, scored 3800 runs and made 6 100s (no strike rate available)
Jeremy Coney (RHB) (RM): The grafter in a side with Crowe, Hadlee and Cairns. Coney specialized in long innings, holding down one end while the talented stroke makers hit boundaries from the other. That role is perfect for him here – he will play second fiddle to my middle order and Imran, before protecting the tail. Averaged 37.57, scored 2660 runs and 3 100s. Averaged 36, took 27 wickets with the ball.
NOTE: Jeremy Coney will play at LORDS , KINGSMEAD and SYDNEY. Bruce Yardley will play instead of him at the EDEN GARDENS and NATIONAL STADIUM in Karachi. See below for his profile.
Michael Holding (RHB) (RF): Whispering death! It is between him and Marshall as the best West Indies bowler of all time. Averaged 23.58, and took 249 wickets @ a strike rate 50.9. Has 6 fifties to boot!
Joel Garner (RHB) (RF): The “Big Bird”. One of the great West Indian quicks – there’s not much I should have to say about him – one of the best fast bowlers ever – he can bounce you out, break your leg (or stump!) or get you caught in the slips. Averaged 20.97, took 259 wickets @ a strike rate of 50.8
Stuart MacGill (RHB) (Leg-Spin): Australia’s second best spinner of the past 20 years. He will always be compared unfavorably with Warne, but his record is nothing to sniff at. He has a brilliant strike rate, and will bowl well under pressure – every time he played, his performance was scrutinized and compared to Warne. Averaged 29.02, took 208 wickets @ a strike rate of 54.
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Bruce Yardley (RHB) (OFF-SPIN): He is (along with Mallett) one of the two best off spinners Australia have ever had. He was also an exceptional fielder, and a useful batsman – he averages nearly 20. He will bowl alongside MacGill, and they will form a very good off-spin/leg-spin combo. Averaged 31.63, took 126 wickets @ a strike rate of 70.
Thoughts:
Batting:
- Hayden, Langer and Dravid > Anwar, Stewart and Kallicharran. However, I do think Langer in general is a little overrated (could just be me).
- Middle Order: Lara, De Silva, Cronje and Dujon < Chappell, Miandad, Inzamam and Imran. The only place where his middle order is arguable better (IMO) is Lara vs Chappell, and I still think that's pretty darn close.
- Lower Order and Tail: His tail wags more. Coney is better than Vettorri, but Hadlee is his trump card here.The rest of the tail (on both sides) will be cleaned quickly, with Marshall (on his side) and Holding (on mine) offering some resistance. He will definitely have a better lower order when Coney isn't playing, but my extra spinner is a much bigger advantage in the subcontinent (IMO).
Bowling:
- Marshall, Roberts and Hadlee = Imran, Holding and Garner. This will be decided by small margins, so I'll say 2 things.
  • All 3 of his quicks are used to bowling with new ball. I have Garner, who usually bowled first change
  • Roberts had the highest averaged and took the fewest wickets of the 6 (thought that's not saying much!)
- Vettorri and MacGill - I really, really don't rate Vettorri. He averages nearly 35, and is taken to pieces against most good batting sides. I'm not saying MacGill is great - he isn't. But I just don't think Vettorri is good. I've said this before too ( I think) - so it's not just about the game thread.

Note: At Eden Gardens and Karachi, I'll also have the off-spin of Yardley, giving me the clear spin edge there. An offie and leggie working in tandem in spin friendly conditions is always a sight to behold!
Overall:
Two darn good teams. I hope you think mine wins.
Good luck


 
When I looked at making the team in this draft, I aimed for balance, and a mix of top quality aggressive batsmen and bowlers capable of winning matches and a stability required at the highest level of the sport. After the league rounds, I have acquired Malcolm Marshall and Brian Lara, and a very sore penis.
Matthew HAYDEN - One very burly half of probably the greatest opening combo in Test cricket. The sheer number of matches Hayden bludgeoned mercilessly away from the opposition established his credentials as a matchwinner, not just as a slogger at the top of the order. His strength lay in carrying an excellent run of form through the series, scoring at a rapid rate and hitting centuries in succession.
He smashed 30 centuries, hitting 8625 runs overall at 50.73.
Justin LANGER - The biggest mistake any opposition would make was to underestimate Langer as a grafter and blocker and focus their efforts on Hayden. An extremely accomplished strokemaker, Langer hit 23 centuries, with 7697 runs overall at 45 plus.
Rahul Dravid - I was thrilled to get him in this draft because I've wanted him in my team for the past two drafts. To my mind, among the top 3 Test batsmen of our generation, and one of the best No. 3's in this draft. A proven matchwinner, he has 36 centuries across the globe, with an astounding 21 away from home. Average of 52.33 with 13288 runs.
Brian Charles Lara - The sort of batsman you want to write the full name of. A legend of the game, and possibly one of the greatest batsmen of all time. Lara had no discernible weaknesses when in full flow, and his performances propped a largely average Windies sides of the 90s and 00s to memorable victories against the powerhouses of world cricket. When he scored, he went for the monstrous scores and total humiliation of the opposing attacks, a highlight of all my top order batsmen. A genius of the sport, he has enough testimonials from fellow legends to have me bleating on. 34 centuries, 11953 runs.
Aravinda de Silva - One of the greatest Sri Lankan batsmen, a batting mainstay in the 80s and 90s for an evolving Lankan team. His attacking prowess is well known, but he possessed a strong defensive mindset, and played some of the greatest fast bowlers of the time with great skill. 20 centuries at what seems to be a relatively low average of 43, but at a time when such averages were the key signs of a world class player.Averages 48 at Number 5.
Hansie Cronje - Captain at 24, Hansie led SA to 27 victories and 11 losses in 53 Tests. A fantastic number 6 to have, with an average of 36, and 6 centuries. A career he threw away as he gave way to avarice, and that would remain the lasting regret for anyone who ever thinks of Hansie Cronje and remembers his battle of wits and technique with the best bowlers of the 90s. A handy bowler, he bowled regularly for SA with an average of 29.
Jeff Dujon - One of the top three keepers in the draft, IMO, and one of the finest of all time. At number 7, he comes in with an average of 32, and 5 Test centuries. And he's not going to drop anything. No chance.
Daniel Vettori - One of the most underrated Test cricketers, I feel.Blessed with a keen cricketing brain, Vettori has a stupendous record given that he plays and has played for a largely mediocre to decent outfit. 360 wickets, with 20 fifers and 3 tenners. On his way to being in the elite few who have 4000 runs and 400 wickets. 6 Test centuries at No. 8. My god.
Richard Hadlee - One of the all time greats and a legend of the sport. He would walk into most all time XI's. 431 wickets at a ridiculous 22.2. 36 fifers, 9 tenners. 2 Test centuries.
Fun fact: Has dismissed Haynes 7 times in 10 Test matches, with 3 ducks, and Greenidge 6 times in 10 matches.
Malcolm Marshall - The Greatest in the Windies quartet, and lays a claim for the greatest of all time. I certainly think so, at least. From cricinfo,
" Malcolm Marshall slithered to the crease on the angle, pitter-pat feet twinkling as if in dancing shoes. It was reminiscent of a sidewinder on the attack. Purists occasionally criticised his action as too open, but it had method: he maintained mastery of orthodox outswing and inswing from a neutral position without telegraphing his intent. He was lithe, with a wickedly fast arm that elevated him to express status. Only in inches was he lacking - but he even turned that to his advantage with a bouncer as malicious as they come, skidding on to the batsman. Later in his career, he developed a devastating legcutter which he used on dusty pitches. Allied to a massive cricket intelligence, stamina and courage, Marshall had all the toys and he knew how and when to play with them. His strike rate of 46.22 was phenomenal, his average of 20.95 equally so. He may well have been the finest fast bowler of them all.
In 1984, he broke his left thumb while fielding early in the match, but first of all batted one-handed, hitting a boundary and allowing Larry Gomes to complete a century, and then, with his left hand encased in plaster, he shrugged off the pain to take 7 for 53. Four years later, on an Old Trafford wicket prepared specifically for spinners, he adjusted his sights, pitched the ball up, and swung and cut it to such devastating effect that he took 7 for 22. Let that be a lesson, he seemed to be saying, and indeed it was. The whole cricket world mourned his tragically early death, from cancer, at 41."
376 wickets at 20.94, strike rate a staggering 46. My super trump card for all cricket games as a kid.
Andy Roberts - One of the greatest fast bowlers ever. I watched and adored him as a kid because my family was obsessed with the Windians. Superb control of the cricket ball, a phenomenal brain. Roberts, Hadlee, and Marshall. I'd be saying my prayers as an opposition batsman. Average of 25, with a strike rate of 55.
Subs:
Allan Lamb - Tough as nails, technically excellent, 14 Test hundreds, and a whopping 89 first class hundreds against some top quality international bowling. The legendary West Indian fast bowlers were a brand he particularly relished, and he scored 6 out of his 14 hundreds against them. A valuable no.5 batsman to have.
Big Bruce Reid - As tall as Garner, and at his peak, as dangerous. In a career riddled with injuries, big Bruce had a career average of 24 odd, and a strike rate of 55. International class by any standard.
This is a team which wouldn't even consider defeat as an option. I'll be going from the jugular from ball one, whether it's Haydos and Langer opening the batting or Marshall, Roberts and Hadlee bowling. Some absolute legends, and a selection of some of the smartest cricketing brains ever.
I'll reserve my judgements and responses on the oppositions stratagem. Personally I feel this team would be nigh on impossible to beat.
All the best.
 
The fearsome foursome evely distributed! :drool:
I think I will go for Donaldo. Bowling wise, there is hardly much to separate them. Better batting lineup of Donaldo will win him the series. The 5/6th of NM look stronger mind, but the top4 collectively of Donaldo are stronger. Again, I agree with the point made yesterday that it should be player A batting vs player B bowling and vice-versa, but here, bowling wise I can't distinguish much so batting is key factor.
 
Really tough one this. Teams seem to be even matched in most areas. 3 top pace bowlers in both teams and neither have a great spinner to give them an advantage. DD has the better top order but NM's middle order is amazing with Imran! coming in at 7.

Will wait for both managers to put forward their arguments as it would come down to very small margins.
 
Really tough one this. Teams seem to be even matched in most areas. 3 top pace bowlers in both teams and neither have a great spinner to give them an advantage. DD has the better top order but NM's middle order is amazing with Imran! coming in at 7.

Will wait for both managers to put forward their arguments as it would come down to very small margins.

Middle order NM seems to have edge but I thought though Donaldo doesn't has anyone as good as Imran at no. 7, that is made up by Dujon-Vettori-Hadlee all being good with bat and having 16 odd test centuries between them. Overall, to me, the top 4 strength of Donaldo seemed a deciding factor.
 
Really tough one this. Teams seem to be even matched in most areas. 3 top pace bowlers in both teams and neither have a great spinner to give them an advantage. DD has the better top order but NM's middle order is amazing with Imran! coming in at 7.

Will wait for both managers to put forward their arguments as it would come down to very small margins.


Same. I am leaning towards Donaldo purely due to match winning ability of Lara. Bowling attacks are same but if I had to choose one, I might just plump for NM's.
 
Middle order NM seems to have edge but I thought though Donaldo doesn't has anyone as good as Imran at no. 7, that is made up by Dujon-Vettori-Hadlee all being good with bat and having 16 odd test centuries between them. Overall, to me, the top 4 strength of Donaldo seemed a deciding factor.

Imran is in a completely different league from them though, he's well capable of being a 4-5 position batsman against top attacks. Anyway, yeah DD's batting is not weak by any means. Hayden is a big factor up top and Dravid and Lara is drool worthy.

One thing is sure is both MacGill and Vettori would be taken to the cleaners for fun.
 
Yeah Spin won't be deciding factor. No top spinner in either side, both teams are equally average in that area.
 
Yeah I don't think he will be wasted. NMs openers while very good can easily fall early against the quicks DD has so Inzi's services would play an important part.
 
I have depth across the field, whether it comes to batting (where I bat right to Hadlee, although Marshall was definitely no mug at no.10, with 10 Test fifties at an avg of 18), or bowling, where Roberts, Hadlee and Marshall will be ably supported (if required), by Vettori, who I see is being underrated here again. Hansie and de Silva provide additional options. He has Coney/Yardley to support his best 4. This point could be moot, however, given the quality the both of us have in our attacks. However, if I were playing at Kingsmead, and played Bruce Reid, I'd give NM no chance in that game. He doesn't have the options to add to his pace battery. I think that's what I'd look for in a draft vote, depth and quality in the team.

Also, I would still rate Hadlee, Marshall and Roberts higher than Imran, Garner and Holding, but I can see the arguments for both of them cancelling each other out in a draft such as this one.

I have class in every position in my batting order, with specialists playing where they ought to. The greatest opening combo ever(along with Greenidge-Haynes), one of the greatest No. 3's in this draft, one of the greatest no. 4's and possibly amongst the best batsmen of all time at 4. de Silva, as I said in the other thread, is being criminally underrated. He faced the greatest attacks playing for the minnows of Lanka, and was instrumental in helping them rise to amongst the best teams in world cricket at one time. Used to hate it when the fecker strode out against us. Cronje was an excellent batsman in his own right, and Dujon, Vettori, Hadlee, Marshall give me a very very strong batting order.
 
I don't think he will be wasted simply because he has Imran below him for support.

Inzi averages 35 at 6, by far his lowest average. And playing a very good batsman such as him that low/ to accomodate another batsman/bowler doesn't strike me as the best strategy. Of course he's wasted.
 
Agree to most of that. Cronje was a decent batsman who was useful but none of that is of note against bowlers such as Imran, Holding and Garner who can clean him up with ease. Da Silva was a great player and in subcontinent tracks he would be useful.

As for Vettori, he might be underrated but with the batting NM has do you really believe he can make a game changing impact?
 
Inzi averages 35 at 6, by far his lowest average. And playing a very good batsman such as him that low/ to accomodate another batsman/bowler doesn't strike me as the best strategy. Of course he's wasted.

That doesn't really reflect how good he will in that position in a hypothetical fantasy game though does it? I don't get this concept of 'wasting' players by sending them lower in the order in a test match. In ODIs it is obviously understandable but not in tests. Do you reckon you would waste Bradman or Viv or Dravid or someone by sending then at say number 6? Obviously no. As long as they are quality players who can easily adapt to the situation and contribute there should not be a problem.
 
Inzi averages 35 at 6, by far his lowest average. And playing a very good batsman such as him that low/ to accomodate another batsman/bowler doesn't strike me as the best strategy. Of course he's wasted.

Cronje averaes 27 at number 6....
 
That doesn't really reflect how good he will in that position in a hypothetical fantasy game though does it? I don't get this concept of 'wasting' players by sending them lower in the order in a test match. In ODIs it is obviously understandable but not in tests. Do you reckon you would waste Bradman or Viv or Dravid or someone by sending then at say number 6? Obviously no. As long as they are quality players who can easily adapt to the situation and contribute there should not be a problem.

Yeah. I agree fully.
 
Cronje averaes 27 at number 6....

Well, I had to take the call to see if I could afford to play him there and I said yes, I could, because I backed the batting to succeed in any condition. I don't the same can be said for NM's batting. We have to agree to disagree on the positions for the batsmen, because I think that matters in Test match cricket.
 
That doesn't really reflect how good he will in that position in a hypothetical fantasy game though does it? I don't get this concept of 'wasting' players by sending them lower in the order in a test match. In ODIs it is obviously understandable but not in tests. Do you reckon you would waste Bradman or Viv or Dravid or someone by sending then at say number 6? Obviously no. As long as they are quality players who can easily adapt to the situation and contribute there should not be a problem.

Will have to agree to disagree with that.
 
Well, I had to take the call to see if I could afford to play him there and I said yes, I could, because I backed the batting to succeed in any condition. I don't the same can be said for NM's batting. We have to agree to disagree on the positions for the batsmen, because I think that matters in Test match cricket.

I'm not saying it doesn't, but it depends on a lot of factors. Inzi has been a middle order batsman throughout his life and made his name there playing at positions like 4 and 5. He won't suddenly become ordinary if he's sent a position lower surely?
 
Definitely not. But less effective, possibly. I think that's the margins you're dealing with when you have only 3 batsmen of top quality.
 
Well, I had to take the call to see if I could afford to play him there and I said yes, I could, because I backed the batting to succeed in any condition. I don't the same can be said for NM's batting. We have to agree to disagree on the positions for the batsmen, because I think that matters in Test match cricket.



I am not sure what you mean by your first statement. You can afford to play Cronje at number 6, where according to your theory he will be less effective, because your batting can succeed in any condition?

Looking at records is a fallacy in this case. For example, Dravid averages less at number 5 than at any other place in middle order including no.6. Does it mean that is the only position he is not good at ?

Sort of the same with Lara, he averages 60 at number 3 and has played a good number of matches there. But it still makes sense to have him at no.4 only.

The only argument for Inzi failing at number 6 or wasted at that position is if he would not have support down the order to last with him. Some players are good at playing with the tail, some are not. NM has good enough lower order for that not to be an issue, especially since Imran himself is coming at 7.
 
I have voted BTW. I do rate NM's bowlers more than Donaldo's. But that combo of Dravid and Lara at 3/4 is deadly. Chappel/Miandad are quality players but those two have that extra edge to them. Especially Lara, possibly the best batsmen ever in terms of his match winning ability.
 
Lara has about 7 hundreds in matches won, in 131 matches played.
 
I'm here. Let me read Donaldo's profile and arguments. Will be on sporadically as I'm ill.
 
Middle order NM seems to have edge but I thought though Donaldo doesn't has anyone as good as Imran at no. 7, that is made up by Dujon-Vettori-Hadlee all being good with bat and having 16 odd test centuries between them. Overall, to me, the top 4 strength of Donaldo seemed a deciding factor.

I have Coney down there too in 3 tests.. He is better than Vettorri or Dujon. Probably a better batsman than Hadlee too.


Same. I am leaning towards Donaldo purely due to match winning ability of Lara. Bowling attacks are same but if I had to choose one, I might just plump for NM's.

My attack is better IMO because Vettorri simply isn't very good. Average of 34.5 and a flat track bully.

Lara also didn't score that many centuries in wins..


Ridiculously deep batting for NM. Would inzi even work at number 6? Or will he be wasted?

He will work. He has Imran and Coney (recognized batsmen) below him. It's not like he will be batting with the tail.


Inzi averages 35 at 6, by far his lowest average. And playing a very good batsman such as him that low/ to accomodate another batsman/bowler doesn't strike me as the best strategy. Of course he's wasted.

Again, not when there are good batsmen below him. He will rarely bat with the tail. He will be batting with Imran and Coney.


I have voted BTW. I do rate NM's bowlers more than Donaldo's. But that combo of Dravid and Lara at 3/4 is deadly. Chappel/Miandad are quality players but those two have that extra edge to them. Especially Lara, possibly the best batsmen ever in terms of his match winning ability.


I thought Chappell/Miandad would be underrated because they aren't new enough, but I don't get the "Lara" is a matchwinner" thought. It goes with your "Sachin will win this by himself" argument you used earlier. See Zing's stat:

Lara has about 7 hundreds in matches won, in 131 matches played.
 
He will work. He has Imran and Coney (recognized batsmen) below him. It's not like he will be batting with the tail.

I get that. I don't know anything about Coney tbf, but yes I do see your point that he won't be supporting tail enders.
 
Just looked it up on Cricinfo..
8 hundreds in matches won, 2 of those against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe.

In absolute numbers and percentage of centuries scored in matches won, Sachin does better -- not relevant here.
 
I have depth across the field, whether it comes to batting (where I bat right to Hadlee, although Marshall was definitely no mug at no.10, with 10 Test fifties at an avg of 18), or bowling, where Roberts, Hadlee and Marshall will be ably supported (if required), by Vettori, who I see is being underrated here again. Hansie and de Silva provide additional options. He has Coney/Yardley to support his best 4. This point could be moot, however, given the quality the both of us have in our attacks. However, if I were playing at Kingsmead, and played Bruce Reid, I'd give NM no chance in that game. He doesn't have the options to add to his pace battery. I think that's what I'd look for in a draft vote, depth and quality in the team.

Also, I would still rate Hadlee, Marshall and Roberts higher than Imran, Garner and Holding, but I can see the arguments for both of them cancelling each other out in a draft such as this one.

I have class in every position in my batting order, with specialists playing where they ought to. The greatest opening combo ever(along with Greenidge-Haynes), one of the greatest No. 3's in this draft, one of the greatest no. 4's and possibly amongst the best batsmen of all time at 4. de Silva, as I said in the other thread, is being criminally underrated. He faced the greatest attacks playing for the minnows of Lanka, and was instrumental in helping them rise to amongst the best teams in world cricket at one time. Used to hate it when the fecker strode out against us. Cronje was an excellent batsman in his own right, and Dujon, Vettori, Hadlee, Marshall give me a very very strong batting order.


Ok - let's go through this post.

  • depth across the field - so do I - no great edge there. Holding is no mug either
  • Vettorri is not being underrated - he simply isn't very good. Stats and LOOKING at him tell you that. You know your cricket. He isn't a top class spinner. Neither is MacGill, but Vettorri - ust no.
  • I have Coney/Yarley to support my best 5 - you aren't counting Kallicharran in them?
  • You could play Bruce Reid at Kingsmead - sure. 27 tests - such a great test player. Lehmann was given all sorts of crap for not playing enough tests
  • It would be easy for you to say you rate your quicks above mine. I would say the same, but the reality is they really do cancel out.
  • The last paragraph reads I have the best players, etc. etc - well I have really good ones too. I'd argue that after the top 3, I win pretty comfortably.
If the new ball rips through his top 4 - Donaldo's team may collapse. That won't be an issue with my team.
That being said - he still has a darn good team. There's a reason I'm not criticizing it too much - a lot of this will boil down to personal preference.
 
Also - keep in mind that I will have 2 spinners to his one at the spinning tracks. That HAS to make a difference doesn't it?
 
Just looked it up on Cricinfo..
8 hundreds in matches won, 2 of those against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe.

In absolute numbers and percentage of centuries scored in matches won, Sachin does better -- not relevant here.

How many match winning hundreds Sachin has in 4th innings?
 
I never said that. It was about Sachin vs Warne. Sachin had previous of targeting Warne and demoralizing him. I just gave him benefit of doing the same.

May be I overstated Lara's record as a match winner. He did hold the tide alone for quite some time though.
 
Incredibly hard to vote.

Donaldo has a much better top 4 but NM's 5-7 are much better than their counterparts. The fast bowling cancels each other out but NM has the better spinner. Leaning towards NM atm
 
One.. Lara has 2. Lara's 2 were much more memorable and seems to be embellishing memories a little.

I am a huge Sachin fan but his hundred in that 4 innings win was no where near as critical as Lara's. His best effort in the 4 innings was that 136 against Pak only.
 
I never said that. It was about Sachin vs Warne. Sachin had previous of targeting Warne and demoralizing him. I just gave him benefit of doing the same.

May be I overstated Lara's record as a match winner. He did hold the tide alone for quite some time though.


Crappy, Lara isn't as much as a match winner as you think. He also did play the first half of his career with better bowling than Sachin ever had. I know you have already voted, but if Lara was your deciding factor than :(

Also, Miandad and Chappell are getting underrated here. Maybe Gilchrist would have got me more votes...
 
Crappy, Lara isn't as much as a match winner as you think. He also did play the first half of his career with better bowling than Sachin ever had. I know you have already voted, but if Lara was your deciding factor than :(

Also, Miandad and Chappell are getting underrated here. Maybe Gilchrist would have got me more votes...

Yeah he was along with Dravid. Both of them are better than Miandad and Chappel for me(Though I won't argue against people saying Miandad was better than Dravid given the quality of bowling he faced). That is not underrating the other two, top top players but just how I see it.

I think you should also highlight how good Anwar was.