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Could Utd be sold soon?
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you don't understand.
I don't know if the Edwards or Glazers have murdered people.. You come across as you know them well so i'll take your word for it..
What do you mean "why not" not being rude but don't understand what you meant...
My point is that, he's questioning about if United were to have owners such as Putin etc and then his username says, well, what it says!
Why not take the same stance? And again I didn't say that it was my stance, I simply understand people that have it.
When a subject like this comes up and people suggest that they actually have some morals, and wouldn't just blindly follow the club as long as it meant big signings and more trophies. It never takes long for some to wheel out the moral justifications, whataboutisms and calling people hypocrites.
Supporting a football club that has temporary sponsorships with companies that may or may not have links to an oppressive regime that the vast majority of fans will not be aware of. Is clearly very different than the club being directly owned by that same oppressive backward regime, that beheads and murders people routinely.
People can't know or do something about every wrong committed in the world. But they can take a stance on some if and when they come to their attention. So saying you would stop supporting United if they were bought by the Saudi royal family is a perfectly valid opinion to hold. It wouldn't be an easy decision or one made lightly so anyone making fun of or criticizing people for that need to have a look at themselves.
Luckily this was in the Daily Star and won't actually be happening, my dog is a more credible source of information than rags like that.
Supporting a football club that has temporary sponsorships with companies that may or may not have links to an oppressive regime that the vast majority of fans will not be aware of. Is clearly very different than the club being directly owned by that same oppressive backward regime, that beheads and murders people routinely.
People can't know or do something about every wrong committed in the world. But they can take a stance on some if and when they come to their attention. So saying you would stop supporting United if they were bought by the Saudi royal family is a perfectly valid opinion to hold. It wouldn't be an easy decision or one made lightly so anyone making fun of or criticizing people for that need to have a look at themselves.
Luckily this was in the Daily Star and won't actually be happening, my dog is a more credible source of information than rags like that.
Well you are right for that one, and that’s one of the points. Shit happens everyday and all around us, we just choose when to bother and when not to. Yes it’s not easy to boycott and move away, but what have you actually done about your own shitty policies? I bet you don’t give a feck while enjoying the life provided by the same governments and policies.Maybe because people have families, jobs, their whole lives based in a country maybe? And it’s not as simple as “boycott their government and move away” FFS.
I mean everyone should give up their whole lives and move to Antarctica just so that Kostov on redcafe won’t think they’re hypocritical. Of course that makes sense.
Or you could just, you know, make a simple change in your life over something you don’t agree with. If you don’t agree with your government, you can vote against them, may not work, but it’s something. You don’t agree with the ownership of your football club, you can stop being a supporter of the club. That’s infinitely easier than moving to a more politically correct country.
You would think a point like this wouldn’t even need to be made
It’s hypocrisy, whether you like it or not.
And no I could never stop being a supporter because of anything, never mind the owners. But that’s different for everyone I guess.
I wonder how many of these people who would Boycot if the Saudis owned us equally won't buy petrol from supermarkets as they purchase from Aramco or wouldn't buy a Tesla car or use uber as pif owns shares
The glazers will sell to whoever pays enough... Hopefully they take woody with Them
The glazers will sell to whoever pays enough... Hopefully they take woody with Them
I have absolutely no problem with people having issues with potential new ownership. It's just the double standards that annoy me...
Better the Devil you know.
Then discuss that with them because I didn't say that I would boycott anyone and I didn't create any sort of hierarchy or double standard.
You are entering the realm of political debate,we all gang up on each other on here for differing views,best just to respect different peoples opinions in wanting whats best for the "Football club" they support.
Well no, I don’t live in either the US or the UK, as far as I know my government doesn’t have any deals in place with SA, so yeah, good going on that there. I’m really not giving a feck from my 3rd world country.
Great if you don’t care enough to never stop being a supporter, some things matter more to people than football. No one is telling you to stop, people are simply saying that they would.
You said that "somethings were more important than football" that's why I replied to your post.
It’s very unlikely that the club will be sold anytime soon. The Glazers will be around for a while yet and won’t sell until they feel that have squeezed out of every last drop.
Which country do you reside in?
Which is true and has nothing to do with your grievance.
Would your stance be the same if a war criminal like Tony Blair was to lead a consortium to by the club? You have another opportunity to answer something I posed to you earlier...
I would support the club and despise him. I already answered by the way.
So somethings in life are not more important than supporting United?
Like I said in a previous post, I could never truly disassociate myself from a club I have followed since childhood (few could in fairness) but my connection to United would never be the same again. Also, I haven't been to OT for 5 years now, but 100% I'd be attending the inevitable protest that will take place should this Saudi takeover prove to be more than pure fabrication.
Has Tony Blair been linked with a takeover at United! Exactly how much does the after-dinner speaking circuit pay these days?
That's true, that's how the word "some" works, and that's not a contradiction to the sentence I wrote. Since some things are more important than football, people will make choices that could exclude football, it's respectable not laughable.
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A lot of the net worth of the billionaires above is locked up in shares of company they own. I doubt Jeff Bezos would sell his shares in Amazon to buy our club.
It would definitely take a consortium or some hedge fund to buy us out
Which is fair enough. But without putting words in your, if they did take over, you'd still stay in touch with the club? I mean, checking the clubs results, watching the highlights of the games, wanting the club to do well etc?
Really good point.
Unless a team is having a successful run it is natural for supporters to wish for a change - manager normally but the owners as well.
Believe me, my local team Bristol Rovers are now owned by a Jordanian family. After back to back promotions the last few seasons have been less successful. Also the ground is dreadful.The owners are very unpopular.
The Glazier family have taken many millions of equity out of the club.
However, they have (previously) provided large sums for players to be purchased. I get the impression that like most companies they are now looking for improved VALUE FOR MONEY.
I'm not a fan of the Saudi regime and their political agenda in the middle east. I would not however, stop supporting United regardless of the ownership situation.
My apologies, the poster I firstly replied was living in UK and was more in general. But if you dig enough we are meddling in the same pit of shit, that was my point.
It’s not whether I care or not, it’s just out of my hands and my love for the club goes deeper than the latest crooks down the corner. Glazers are no saints either, that didn’t matter one bit either.
And I didn’t tell you to not do whether you think is best based on you judgement, only that the political correctness narrative is full of shit.
Birthplace of Lord Brynner, Lord Creator, Lynn Taitt, and, of course, Yorkie ( though I think he was actually born on Tobago, wasn't he?)
It's getting more and more difficult to take a moral stance against Saudi Arabia as they diversify away from oil, isn't it? They own a huge stake in Uber, and I use that all the time. They supply most of the worlds petrol, so where do you draw the line? How do you even begin to draw the line?
Surely you can't have voted Tory if you'd be boycotting United if the Saudi's took over? We sell them weapons and just the other day Jeremy Hunt said we share common values with Saudi Arabia, the cnut.
Surely you can't have voted Tory if you'd be boycotting United if the Saudi's took over? We sell them weapons and just the other day Jeremy Hunt said we share common values with Saudi Arabia, the cnut.
Or a sovereign wealth fund and I suspect if we were brought by the Saudis the pif is the most likley solution... It's also where they own their Tesla and Uber shares
Equally for bezos it would make more sense to own it through Amazon rather than direct... Though I'm not sure about future conflicts if Amazon bids for TV rights?... But pif Would make some sense as they look to diversify
It was a problem when Murdoch tried to buy us and Mandelson put the kibosh on any deal. Mind you, the Tories are in power now and they'd be more willing to grasp their ankles for a slice of any revenue Amazon might contribute to the exchequer. And I mean might.
Take over Manchester United by saddling the club with huge debt, make billions from it by handing it over to Saudi Arabia. Quite the legacy
Jamaica will claim the other three. When UB40 brought out their awful cover of 'Kingston Town' I got into a discussion with a Jamaican pal about the original and he would not believe Lord Creator wasn't from Kingston.
I'd be all in for that. Honestly who cares about the City owners apart from a few United fans? No one cares their success was bought with oil and blood. If this means we could compete with them and other clubs again, sure, count me in.
Correct,when City had their Agueroooooo moment there wasnt too many protests around the etihad about human rights abuses by Abu Dhabi!
Wait and see if this takeover becomes a reality, you will get your protests.
And most probably won't be by football supporters.