Nailed it...
Could Utd be sold soon?
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Reason why companies sponsor us is for the exposure we give their companies. So whether you accept it or not, our club are already doing what you say we would be doing, if the Saudis took over.
Have a good weekend.
Supported by Britain...
Yep,all the above is shocking,the Glazers more than likely donate to political parties in the middle east, and then there is you being all perfect in knowledge and holiness telling us all how immoral it all is.....
Is it not immoral?Yep,all the above is shocking,the Glazers more than likely donate to political parties in the middle east, and then there is you being all perfect in knowledge and holiness telling us all how immoral it all is.....
And? If people tell me that they don't want to be associated with the UK because of it I will understand.
I feel the point that red thru&thru is putting across to everyone is that we are already giving exposure to Saudis through sponsorship and everyone is ok with it since nobody on the forum made a noise about it before . So it doesn't matter if Saudis buy the club altogether since we are already in a business relationship with them .
I guess he is just confused at the extreme reactions from some fans who are threatening to boycott the club and not support anymore . So he went hard with the human rights activism point to make people understand that if we are offended by one action and then we should be offended by other earlier actions too .
Truth be told this is a decision which is not going to be affected by any protests and boycotts because if the sale is going to happen then it will happen irrespective of fan's feeling . These sort of protests have happened before also during the time Glazers bought the club with new groups and team being made but eventually it all died down .
I am also curious as to the timing of this news as currently Saudi Arabia is being rightfully condemned across the globe for the brutal murder of the journalist . Suddenly they are being linked to us which will only anger the fans more . It seems bit convenient to run this news right now and sort of stoke the anger of our fans and letting the other fans make fun of us or condemn our club for being in discussions to sell to the Saudis .
I guess he is just confused at the extreme reactions from some fans who are threatening to boycott the club and not support anymore . So he went hard with the human rights activism point to make people understand that if we are offended by one action and then we should be offended by other earlier actions too .
Truth be told this is a decision which is not going to be affected by any protests and boycotts because if the sale is going to happen then it will happen irrespective of fan's feeling . These sort of protests have happened before also during the time Glazers bought the club with new groups and team being made but eventually it all died down .
I am also curious as to the timing of this news as currently Saudi Arabia is being rightfully condemned across the globe for the brutal murder of the journalist . Suddenly they are being linked to us which will only anger the fans more . It seems bit convenient to run this news right now and sort of stoke the anger of our fans and letting the other fans make fun of us or condemn our club for being in discussions to sell to the Saudis .
Yep,all the above is shocking,the Glazers more than likely donate to political parties in the middle east, and then there is you being all perfect in knowledge and holiness telling us all how immoral it all is.....
You simply cannot draw a moral equivalence between the Glazers (whom I dislike a great deal) and the Saudis. It's ludicrous to even try.
Thats an altogether different debate,this is redcafe,am here to talk football,how we can hope to make Utd stronger on and off the pitch,at the moment Utd are a mess.if someone can come in and fix it then am fine with that,owners/countries/political parties is a different debate altogether,realistically, given the value of the club its only some royal family who can probably fix us.
I won't stop supporting United regardless of who the owners are. They're temporary but the club will always remain. I support the club, not the filthy rich people who hold the highest stock. Also, I don't even like the Glazers to begin with. I don't really fancy the idea of more oil factories owning football clubs but there's nothing between them and the Glazers in my opinion. One pumps money into the club in a way I don't like and one can't manage a huge football club properly, other than to use it as a brand.
I don't want to get into politics.
I don't want to get into politics.
Also understand that the Americans and Brits have murdered much more innocent civilians than the Saudis ever did...
Thank you, Ahsan. My point exactly. You've summed it up perfectly.
I have supported Utd since 1985. I am not sure how you jump from me wanting Utd to be successful at all costs to me being a glory hunter who switches allegiances on a whim. Please explain? Question my morals yes fair enough. I dont care.
I'd still support the club. Why would I abandon Utd when its the Glazers who sold us down the river? Decades of tradition shouldn't be defined by the actions of American parasites.
The hatred of Liverpool, City and the press as a whole is too strong for me. Lets say I do take a stand, there's no way a Mbappe winner in the 90th minute at Anfield wouldn't draw me back in.
The hatred of Liverpool, City and the press as a whole is too strong for me. Lets say I do take a stand, there's no way a Mbappe winner in the 90th minute at Anfield wouldn't draw me back in.
Yes, by the government of Britain (The party that most Brits did not vote for). It doesn't mean it has the popular backing of the entire population, and is not something the people complaining about Saudi Arabia are complicit in. This should go without saying, so if you need this explaining it's probably saying more about you than about anyone else.
Unfortunately this thread has got very political. All great views and have their own merits.
But as a whole, putting politics aside as this is football, would we be better off with the Saudis? I for one, can't see the future or what the Saudis plans would be but if they invested in the club and the region, like the nosiey neighbours have, it would be a step in the right direction.
But as a whole, putting politics aside as this is football, would we be better off with the Saudis? I for one, can't see the future or what the Saudis plans would be but if they invested in the club and the region, like the nosiey neighbours have, it would be a step in the right direction.
Yep.
Again what is the link to what I said? If the UK or the US buy a club and some people boycott it, I will understand. Also I didn't gave my opinion on it but since you seem to have assumed it, I would probably still support the club and despise the owners.
The sugar daddy owner who wants to spend on a play toy does no longer exist. If you think a middle-east owner is like that, you've got it wrong. They are merely better, more aggressive investors with deeper pockets than the Glazers. But in the end the investment's goal is equal: make money of the club.
Thank you...
Put it this way, they're not going to want to lose money. Are the Saudis buying the club for profits, imo, no. They're buying it for the same reasons as the owners of PSG and City.
So purely in a football economics we're better off with such owners.
Even more than the dippers
Try practising what you preach Chap, who are you telling them what to do? Clearly they aren't doing that? Really? That's some impressive deduction skills from a few online posts, either that or some very stretched assumptions, I apologise if my tone was a little off but so is yours.
What was the point then?
Can't think of anyone I'd want at the club less, and can't think of many other reasons that would make me stop supporting United.
Don't think the Saudis would be buying United cause of money.
The country is desperate to rebrand itself. We'd be used a a tool for those means.
Ok. Apology accepted
So how far would you go with this? Would you keep supporting the team if it was bought by Vladimir Putin? Robert Mugabe? Isis?
Not for me sorry. We can't slag city off for having a sugar daddy and then welcome one us with open arms.
Someone from SA just sent me an inbox.
Didn't want to post in this thread for obvious reasons. (We don't want our Saudi caftards disappearing now doe we?
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He also doesn't want the club associated with his government.
What I can gather from him is that, if they indeed took the club over, whoever is giveb responsibility is likely to be incompetent given the state of their sports ministry.
Didn't want to post in this thread for obvious reasons. (We don't want our Saudi caftards disappearing now doe we?
)He also doesn't want the club associated with his government.
What I can gather from him is that, if they indeed took the club over, whoever is giveb responsibility is likely to be incompetent given the state of their sports ministry.
Go, Johnny; go, go, go!
This is an example of the Saudis playing the long game. MBS is currently in the process of attempting to transform the Saudi economy via diversification. The purchase of the club will be part of a initiative aimed at tourism and in particular the Neom project for which an initial $500 billion has been earmarked. Utd will help with the reputational laundering of KSA on the international stage and will be a massive brand to help get the Neom project on the map.
The Saudis have been sniffing around us for some time now, I’m pretty sure they sent a delegation across in 2012 to have a good look at the club with a view to a possible bid to the Glazers, this approach appears to have been kicked off again.
The Saudis have been sniffing around us for some time now, I’m pretty sure they sent a delegation across in 2012 to have a good look at the club with a view to a possible bid to the Glazers, this approach appears to have been kicked off again.
You said there is more important things in life than Football due to what the Saudis are doing in Yemen.. Would you take the same stance on someone like Tony Blair (who I consider a war criminal) if he was to lead a consortium into buying the club?
Sorry for being pedantic here but you call yourself, "JohnnyKills" ...
Have the Edwards family or the Glazer family personally murdered people? No, they have not.
Have the ruling family of Saudi Arabia personally ordered and overseen the murder oppression of thousands of people? Yes.
Stop making ridiculous false equivalencies. If we were rumoured to be being bought by the US government, people would doubtless not be happy with that prospect either.
Why not? And bear in mind that in this case we are specifically talking about Salman of Saudi Arabia. Not simply a Saudis.
Hopefully, the ball juggling Michael Knighton will gazump the Saudis anyway
Invite him to their embassy.
The rough English translation of Juan Mata. What's your point? That he's as bad as the Saudi government because of his user name?
I can see why rumours might be gathering. The stock market fluctuations and impact of Brexit may make buying the club more economical to a potential buyer and I'll br glad of that.
If the price remains high then our options will be limited and people who can afford that price tend to come with complicated pasts.
I'd love us to adopt the Bayern Model but I can't see the Glazers doing that.
So the best option may be for a price collapse following brexit and a middling transitional season.
A lower price would attract some idiots but it might also allow others to buy the club who have good motives.
If the price remains high then our options will be limited and people who can afford that price tend to come with complicated pasts.
I'd love us to adopt the Bayern Model but I can't see the Glazers doing that.
So the best option may be for a price collapse following brexit and a middling transitional season.
A lower price would attract some idiots but it might also allow others to buy the club who have good motives.