Could Utd be sold soon?

Here's a question for you all:

If the Saudis and the Glazers had exactly the same level of wealth, and planned to run the club in exactly the same way in terms of objectives, staffing, structure and investment etc, who would you choose?

None of this "we'd be able to buy the best players" or "the leeches would be gone". If they ran the club in exactly the same way, would you be opting for the Saudis or the Glazers?
 
No way I want us sold to the Saudis. We'd just become what we bashed City for, for the last 10+ years. Much rather stick with the Glazers and spend what we earn, the real way of running a football club.

We've always had the money to spend under the Glazers, there's just been different circumstances for not spending it at times.
 
Those in here naive enough to think there's a soul left in our club that needs protecting from the Saudis need to read Manchester United: Betrayal of a Legend or Eamonn Dunphy's A Strange Kind of Glory.

This club sold it's soul decades ago.
 
pascell said:
No way I want us sold to the Saudis. We'd just become what we bashed City for, for the last 10+ years. Much rather stick with the Glazers and spend what we earn, the real way of running a football club.

We've always had the money to spend under the Glazers, there's just been different circumstances for not spending it at times.
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We never truly spend what we earn. If we spent everything we earned since the glazers took over we would have one of the best squads in the world. Rather than relying shit footballers who let us down time and time again.

If hypothetically we were going to spend all of what we earn on Manchester United from here on out I would happily stick with the glazers. It’s just not going to happen though the glazers are always going to take money out of the club. I also think we will never hit the heights we did under Ferguson whilst the glazers are here
 
Kammy26 said:
We never truly spend what we earn. If we spent everything we earned since the glazers took over we would have one of the best squads in the world. Rather than relying shit footballers who let us down time and time again.

If hypothetically we were going to spend all of what we earn on Manchester United from here on out I would happily stick with the glazers. It’s just not going to happen though the glazers are always going to take money out of the club. I also think we will never hit the heights we did under Ferguson whilst the glazers are here
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We've spent 700 million since Sir Alex left. Pretty sure that should get you a competent squad if a competent man is doing the buying. Our issue is these clowns we've hired to manage the club. We have money and have been spending it.
 
RooneyLegend said:
We've spent 700 million since Sir Alex left. Pretty sure that should get you a competent squad if a competent man is doing the buying. Our issue is these clowns we've hired to manage the club. We have money and have been spending it.
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This. Over the last few years you've been one of the biggest spenders in the world, you've just wasted the money with a scattergun approach.

For those wanting the Saudi Royal family to take over, what do you expect to change? Bale, Modric or Messi aren't suddenly going to leave Spain for Manchester, you'll just have replaced one family who have no real love for the club for another family who might seem enthusiastic, but come with some horrendous baggage, that you really don't want to be associated with - for those that don't care about that, do some background reading and search your conscience.

What you need far more is a strategy, a DoF and a manager that can work with that. Do that properly and get back to the top and you'll have moral high ground over the City's,PSG's, Chelsea's etc. Most people here seem to have grown up in the 90s and early 2000s. Winning is not a right and it didn't last forever, being the very best in Europe is something worth fighting for, to just rely on Saudi money will turn you into everything you hate about those other clubs.
 
Don't mind the Saudis, I just don't see the need or benefit of them taking over the club for me. I feel we already have what it takes to compete with any other club if the people currently running the club knew what they were doing. People seem to think that it will mean us being able to buy the likes of Mbappe and Neymar, Madrid are doing that already without any mid east owners
 
fellaini's barber said:
Don't mind the Saudis, I just don't see the need or benefit of them taking over the club for me. I feel we already have what it takes to compete with any other club if the people currently running the club knew what they were doing. People seem to think that it will mean us being able to buy the likes of Mbappe and Neymar, Madrid are doing that already without any mid east owners
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But you also have to consider that Madrid are competing with only Barcelona in their league. We don't know what their fans will say if suppose Real Betis or Bilbao got bought by a royal family from the Middle-East and suddenly started splashing the clash and buying all the best players(like Chelsea or City). I am sure that Florentino and Bartomeu would be complaining to the league that the balance has been ruined or something like that.

It amused me when a poster said that Real,Barcelona and Bilbao will be the last of the historical clubs standing without a sugar daddy owner. You all say the same thing, until they come after you.
 
VJ1762 said:
It amused me when a poster said that Real,Barcelona and Bilbao will be the last of the historical clubs standing without a sugar daddy owner. You all say the same thing, until they come after you.
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Those clubs are owned by the members or 'socios'. They're controlled by the fans in other words.

You think they're going to sell up?
 
99withaflake said:
Here's a question for you all:

If the Saudis and the Glazers had exactly the same level of wealth, and planned to run the club in exactly the same way in terms of objectives, staffing, structure and investment etc, who would you choose?

None of this "we'd be able to buy the best players" or "the leeches would be gone". If they ran the club in exactly the same way, would you be opting for the Saudis or the Glazers?
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Im pretty sure everyone would choose the Glazers.
 
99withaflake said:
Here's a question for you all:

If the Saudis and the Glazers had exactly the same level of wealth, and planned to run the club in exactly the same way in terms of objectives, staffing, structure and investment etc, who would you choose?

None of this "we'd be able to buy the best players" or "the leeches would be gone". If they ran the club in exactly the same way, would you be opting for the Saudis or the Glazers?
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spwd said:
Im pretty sure everyone would choose the Glazers.
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Exactly. Everyone has morals until money is involved.
 
I'm stunned by some people on this thread. Turning a blind eye to one of the cruelest and most atrocius regimes in the world so that we can buy Neymar and win some games of football :wenger:

Some people need to watch a bit less football and read about things that actually matter.
 
Here's the thing I don't like the idea of the Saudi's owning our club one bit but I like the idea of Liverpool and City dominating the PL even less.

Since Sheikh Mansour took over City, I believe they have qualified for the Champions League 8 out 10 times with 6th, 5th, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 3rd, 1st
(They are a team in ascendancy)

United under the Glaziers - 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd - United by default the same but failure this year will be a damage that can never be forgiven so they should get out of United before they are ran out!
(We are a team in major decline)

My point without Sir Alex and the wealth to buy whoever we want as England's richest team, we are a team in major decline fighting for 4th place at best and because unlike Sheikh Mansour whose invested 1.3 billion pounds into City to build them into a team where second place is considered failure, the task will become more difficult each year to topple them. Our owners, the Glaziers have taken 1 billion pounds out of the club in dividends and eventually that lack of investment has now caught up with us. As much as I currently can't stand Jose's demeanour, he has a point about last years 2nd place being overachieving with such an average squad at his disposal, some of which is his own fault. If we indeed had a Saudi or Chinese multi billionaire investor 10 years ago we would have spent an extra 1 billion on transfers in that period and players like Sergio Ramos, Toni Croos, Harry Kane, Ronaldo, Gareth Bale, Arjen Robben, Lewandowski, Marco Rheus, Daniel alaves, David Alaba, Raphael Varanne might have been playing for us simply because the size of the club's revenue would have allowed a serious investment in wages to blow other teams out the market.

This is so far removed from the current regime in which the Glaziers want the manager to make do with Tier B and Tier C players like Darmian,Rojo, Herrera, Feillani, Lindelof, Lukaku, Bailly, Blind, Depay, Schnederlain. And then to make matters worse, Woodward puts them all on seriously high wages so we simply can not shift them.

So as much as the thought of getting in bed with the Saudi Devils doesn't really appeal to me or many United Fans, let's be clear about one thing having worked in that part of the world, they do not f...about and if they were to purchase the club, they would not want to be embarrassed by performances on the pitch, add that to 5 million fanatical fans who live in Saudi Arabia alone all beying for unrivalled success and you can only imagine what Zidane, a fellow Muslim would be allowed to spend in his first two transfer Windows.

My Guess would be £700M over the first two windows with no world marquee player off limit, players like Isco and Ascensio would be offered 500k per week, Mbappe probably 750k per week, Neymar 1M, they just wouldn't care until their team was better than City or PSG and they had spent more money to buy success which United huge turnover and revenue would allow them to do, especially with 6 year ammortised contracts being dished out everywhere!

 
AlecHDR said:
I'm stunned by some people on this thread. Turning a blind eye to one of the cruelest and most atrocius regimes in the world so that we can buy Neymar and win some games of football :wenger:

Some people need to watch a bit less football and read about things that actually matter.
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I completely agree with what you are saying as many of our fans do, but if they do buy the club, How many United Fans will stop supporting the club. Probably 3% at most. Yes you are 100% right about their regime, but United Fans Worldwide will not stop supporting the club even though you are 100% right with your points and this Government with Brexit hanging over their heads will not stop a potential huge investment into UK premier football club where another potential super academy complex could be built like the Etihad .
A few years ago, a reported takeover from the Chinese State was also rumoured and United Fans were just as happy at that thought when that country has a similar record on human rights.
My point, United Fans are now just as fickle as any other, craving success before the moral high ground. Let's all hope it doesn't come to the Saudi's buying our club but there no Smoke without Fire!

 
Infra-red said:
It's not a question of morals, but, while the US Congress are talking about sanctions for SA, can you really see the Glazers wading in with their hands out asking for 4 billion dollars. I imagine they'll steer clear, for a while at least, and MBS will have far more important things to be worrying about.
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The US can put as many sanctions as they want, but will they stop their arms sale to SA? If not, why would the Glazers care one bit to whom they sell the club.
 
Abdullah7 said:
The media have spun quite of few heads in these forums.
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Yeah, damn tedious media. If only there was a way to silence those irritating critics of the Saudi regime...

Oh wait.

We are fully justified in feeling disgusted at the prospect of the Saudi regime buying the club that many of us have supported for decades.
 
We'd become everything we detest about City. (Except we would be able to fill our stadium.)

No thank you.
 
Halds said:
We would probably react very differently, like you do in here. Personally, it would make me sad.

I don't like the way football has developed in recent years. Money talks, they always have, but we are at a point, where it's getting ridiculous. I didn't particular like the takeovers in Chelsea and City. They haven't played with the same rules as the rest of us, where we have had to be clever and smart on and off the field to achieve succes.

Now.. Chelsea and City doing it is one thing. If it happens to you, it would be on a completely different level. You are one of the biggest clubs in the world. You are an institution in football, and you are luckily our fiercest rival too. Your club and our rivalry is a big part of what makes football tick for me.

But if you go down that road, where it's all about getting the most loaded sugardaddy, then football has officially gone down a road, where I would struggle to see the point of it all, and that would make me extremely sad.
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Excellent post. Fully agree.
 
wolvored said:
Yes who to believe. The Guardian usually print a load of left wing propaganda that usually a load of shit. Dont know much about the Independant to be honest.
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For me, like the old saying goes, no smoke without fire.

Or could it be a political game by Glazers? "Hey fans, you may hate us but if we sell, look at who will take over?! So relax and be hapoy you have us!"

Not sure but there's some credibility to the story.
 
I hope this isn't true at all. It would break my heart to see our beloved club used as a political tool.
Money is not our problem anyway, it's the lack of planning and direction that's been the problem. Sort that out and we'll be fine. I'd rather struggle than have these people owning our club. Really hoping it never happens.
 
Jazz said:
I hope this isn't true at all. It would break my heart to see our beloved club used as a political tool.
Money is not our problem anyway, it's the lack of planning and direction that's been the problem. Sort that out and we'll be fine. I'd rather struggle than have these people owning our club. Really hoping it never happens.
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Don't worry, it seems it's some sort of self fulfilling fantasy based on a random tweet by some bloke called @Daniel_K23 and another tweet by some fella who goes by the name of @RabonaNutmeg (that only got one like). It generated so much attention (in an international week) that even the (once reliable) BBC couldn't resist picking up on it and, more annoyingly, the share price spiked.

All explained (as posted one page back) here in calm words using logic and … facts:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/17/manchester-united-takeover-tale-wrong-saudi-arabia

EDIT: FFS that second bloke they quoted “Saudi rumours are rife” is a member here :lol:
 
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tomaldinho1 said:
Can't think of a better way to kill off the soul of our club than have a Saudi takeover. Shouldn't be allowed to invest anywhere until they get a grasp of basic human rights in their own country.
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Every country has its dark black secrets. Politics and governments are corrupted so let's talk about football.
 
I don't believe anything the papers print anymore after the mirror went Jose getting fired the other week, so for me this is a non starter
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Don't worry, it seems it's some sort of self fulfilling fantasy based on a random tweet by some bloke called @Daniel_K23 and another tweet by some fella who goes by the name of @RabonaNutmeg (that only got one like). It generated so much attention (in an international week) that even the (once reliable) BBC couldn't resist picking up on it and, more annoyingly, the share price spiked.

All explained (as posted one page back) here in calm words using logic and … facts:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/17/manchester-united-takeover-tale-wrong-saudi-arabia

EDIT: FFS that second bloke they quoted “Saudi rumours are rife” is a member here :lol:
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Good to hear. Would depress me no end.

As for the member here who quoted the rumours...:nono::D
 
Wow, so this all started from that Diego Martinez muppet on Twitter? I guess he's finally managed what he's been persistently been trying for years - to get a lot of people to believe some of his bull shit. Bet he couldn't believe his luck when one of the papers ran with it.
 
Let's be honest guys....there are no morals left in footy. We are paying Alexis Sanchez £400,000 a week. Most of us on here would have to work 10-15 years to earn that.

Do you honestly think if we are took over by Saudis, the debt is cleared and we win the title fairly soon after that our fans will care one bit? You watch the attitude change to the new owners. Morals sadly no longer that important in business and sport.
 
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pocco said:
Wow, so this all started from that Diego Martinez muppet on Twitter? I guess he's finally managed what he's been persistently been trying for years - to get a lot of people to believe some of his bull shit. Bet he couldn't believe his luck when one of the papers ran with it.
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Incredibly, yeah! Even though that article has been posted on here twice in 24 hrs people are still commenting negatively as if it's something that is real and unbelievably something we are embracing :wenger:

Can you imagine if that West Ham trainer worked at United? That story would have gone ballistic!

Guess people just can't be bothered to read further than a headline any more. Sad times!

Nou_Camp99 said:
Let's be honest guys....there are no morals left in footy. We are paying Alexis Sanchez £400,000 a week. Most of us on here would have to work 10-15 years to earn that.

Do you honestly think if we are took over by Saudis, the debt is cleared and we win the title fairly soon after that our fans will care one bit? You watch the attitude change to the new owners. Morals sadly no longer that important in business and sport.
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Read the article above
 
pocco said:
Wow, so this all started from that Diego Martinez muppet on Twitter? I guess he's finally managed what he's been persistently been trying for years - to get a lot of people to believe some of his bull shit. Bet he couldn't believe his luck when one of the papers ran with it.
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Apparently its a rumour thats been around for a month or so and was the reason why our shares had a bump a few weeks back.
He's just the one who stuck his head out.
 
cyberman said:
Apparently its a rumour thats been around for a month or so and was the reason why our shares had a bump a few weeks back.
He's just the one who stuck his head out.
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Where is your proof of this in the face of the article above "The widely carried rumours are the latest example of social media concoctions that swell well beyond their substance" that clearly states:

"The aforementioned claims these notional United fans were apparently welcoming were themselves somewhat hand-wavingly attributed to “web football forums and Twitter”. The top source the Daily Star report quoted was @Daniel_K23, an anonymous United fan with 253 Twitter followers, who had declared: “I’m hearing #MUFC reps met with Arabs to potentially buy us could be huge [sic]”. But where was @Daniel_K23 hearing this? Judging by his preceding retweet, from a Spanish part‑time freelance journalist called Diego Martínez. By the next day, Martínez was using this very Daily Star report to confirm the tweet on which it had seemingly been indirectly based. “Told you,” he declared. Meanwhile, @Daniel_K23 was game-theorising the potential impact this phantasmal deal would have on United’s short- to medium-term success on the pitch. Or, to use his own words: “if we get arabs its over, becuz their SPEND”."

Your share price "bump" you mention actually happened on Monday this week (three days ago) as a result of this non-story:

"That was where we were by Monday afternoon, as shares in the club rose significantly on Wall Street as rumours of a takeover “swirled”. I say the cobblers was “surfaced by” the Daily Star, because the notion that the Saudis might be about to buy United seems to have originated in the even more tenuously informed corners of the internet rumour mill. The claim’s first appearance in what we might solemnly refer to as legacy media was on the Star’s website on 12 October, which stated that United fans had “blitzed social media to welcome claims” that the club might be sold to MBS."

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@SqueakyWeasel
The journo from The Sun had a back and forth with SportWitness over this a few days ago when they tried tying this to a WUM account.
I'd doubt a real journalist would be privy to this nonsense tbf.
 
cyberman said:
@SqueakyWeasel
The journo from The Sun had a back and forth with SportWitness over this a few days ago when they tried tying this to a WUM account.
I'd doubt a real journalist would be privy to this nonsense tbf.
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So what you are saying is … Regardless of all the facts to the contrary "It must be fake news as it doesn't fit my agenda … I have no facts to back it up but I just feel it's true" :lol:
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
So what you are saying is … Regardless of all the facts to the contrary "It must be fake news as it doesn't fit my agenda … I have no facts to back it up but I just feel it's true" :lol:
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No, Im telling you what the one journo who is pushing this is claiming.
He's not even saying its great journalistic work from the paper, he's simply denying that its sourced from a twitter nobody and that it was an open rumour.
Thats all.
 
cyberman said:
No, Im telling you what the one journo who is pushing this is claiming.
He's not even saying its great journalistic work from the paper, he's simply denying that its sourced from a twitter nobody and that it was an open rumour.
Thats all.
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Alright, if I've got this right, you choose to believe the "Journalist" from the Sun who ran with what the "reporter" from the Daily Star, who originally "broke" this news, wrote … that, of course, is your right!
 
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